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As Summer arrives and we are beset by another season of shrill, pointless bourgeois elections, let us remind /leftypol/ of the importance of being grillpilled. The grillpill is not 'defeatism' or 'doomerism.' It is a recognition that bourgeois politics is a strategic dead-end. It is a turn inwards to strengthen the mind, body and heart, to avoid the temptations of opportunism or reactionary thought and to be ready for future movements of the class struggle.
Suggested activities include the following:
>Disengaging as much as possible from mainstream news and social media
>Severing parasocial relationships with falsifying 'political' streamers and video essayists
>Read Marx, read well-sourced academic Marxists, read well-sourced texts on history and political economy
>Supplement your reading with classic literary fiction of various genres
>Take up hobbies that encourage mastery of specific skills or knowledge
>Engage in physical exercise and interactions with nature
>Participate in local charity/volunteering work, while affirming that such work is not revolutionary or 'socialist' in character
>Arrange IRL get-togethers with friends and acquaintances, encourage community and group activities
>Above all, enjoy outdoor grilling - the most humble form of food preparation, used by human laborers for millennia
In time, the grillpilled anon will have strengthened their mind and body, reaffirmed their principles and commitment to revolutionary socialism, and be prepared for the inevitable reemergence of capitalist crisis and proletarian struggle.
>>1890075>and be prepared for the inevitable reemergence of capitalist crisisAnon. What are you talking about we are living in crisis and hav3 been for over a decade.
Agree. Very wholesome and wise. In particular, I think all leftists can benefit from community work and volunteering that isn't necessarily in a Marxist context.
Sitting around and waiting is what we've been doing for decades and it doesn't do SHIT!!! This IS defeatism, a retreat from the material world. The capitalist class will NEVER just give us the chance to win, they are as smart as we are and won't just capitulate. We can't wait them out, they're not going to collapse on their own. Believing in this is right-deviationist defeatism masquerading as left-deviationism. We are in a crisis of capitalism. The course of action right now is not to hide away but to fight.
>>1890151>This IS defeatism, a retreat from the material world>bourgeois politics is the material worldRetarded. The point of grilling is to engage in theoretical-critical activity that is not modeled on a commercial customer acquisition pipeline. Worldview Marxism is a mental disease. You need to read some Debord.
If the workers dont want a revolution, than we will not have an revolution. Communists, political party activists, propagandists cannot create the material conditions for a revolution. The best they can do is try to guide the proletariat to socialism and showcase the contradictions and injustices of the system. The left is not losing because of our individual incompetence, or because of praxis, or because of weak programs. The proletariat is now a domesticated dog, waiting for the butcher, and we are forced to look at it. There are no invencible enemies, but the time for action is not this year.
Can someone screencap OP? im a filthy phoneposter at the moment or i would
>>1890158very true. half of the leftoid hobbyist activists i encounter drop out of the movement within a couple years because they have a sense of urgency that is understandable and usually sincere, but inevitably influenced by a consumer mentality in which the long-term growth and management of communist organization appears only as a series increasingly disappointing anti-climaxes, because the expectation is that once the correct line is developed or the protest is flyered, membership will immediately fill up with eager communists. The way it really works is building relationships and communities around projects people feel like they can contribute to. Im NOT saying there isnt an important role for passion, rage, excitement, or that political issues should be minimized or protest movements ignored or anything like that. I'm saying, and I think OP is as well, that many communists' expectations are warped by a spectacular mindset in which cycles of elections and protests are the actual terrain of history. People live their lives day to day with basic priorities, and sooner or later undue focus on elections and cyclical activism ends up leaving you feeling completely empty because these things come and go with only tangential connection to day to day life. It's one thing to protest against abortion bans because you understand on principle its wrong and that it is an attack on the proletariat that should be of concern to communists, it's another thing entirely to have that understanding buttressed and developed by personal relationships with women and families who have had to deal with abortion. When you have barbecues with your comrades and relax and shoot the shit and get involved in eachothers lives, you feel much more viscerally that an injury to one is an injury to all.
And what's the alternative, exactly? This isn't a game where if you find the right combination you level up to the part where youre on the barricades. If you are going to live out your life as a communist, as you should, you need to understand that it doesnt cancel out all the other basic concerns everyone else has. Sure there are some exceptional people who are able to devote all of their time and energy to organizing, that is incredibly admirable, but most of us are not like that. To expect us all to become like that is delusional. Sacrifice and commitment are very important qualities in a communist, but those dont come for free, they need to be earned with something worth committing TO and something worth sacrificing FOR. Making communism a serious part of your life means understanding that being a reasonably functional and reasonably secure person isn't a compromise, it's actually (with few exceptions) a prerequisite.
Long live marxism-grilleism, down with spectacle chasing
>>1890256>>worldview Marxism is dead>responds with worldview Marxist religionisms10/10
>>1890263The second paragraph and its calls to virtue raised my hackles for a minute. OTOH you didn't rule out sacrificing the bourgeoisie or their property on the grill, so I could let that slide.
>>1890270Fair enough, though im not calling for some kind of transcendent or even necessarily moral virtue. Im just acknowledging there are qualities people appreciate with some consistency and I dont think theres ultimately way or reason for materialism to reduce that as long as its contingency is understood.
>>1890151> The course of action right now is not to hide away but to fight.teach us how to fight
Senpai, please elaborate
>>1890075False dichotomy. Why not just elect the worst of capital's representatives and do this as well
when marx explained how crises are inherent to capitalism but leftoids tell you the next one will definitely kill it
>>1890463>le fallacy redditorelections are a waste of the proletariats time and efforts and have nothing to do with communism, kys
>>1890151>right-deviationist defeatism masquerading as left-deviationismItstimetostop.jpg
>>1890158>Worldview Marxism Your branding's (read: communication) shit, no one knows what this is
So same as my comment above: Would you look at the time?
I'm not gonna bother reading the thread but telling alleged "communists" to do what communists should do (helping further proletarian organization against capitalism - i.e. unions by themselves aren't communist but can be used to again further this cause, especially because it's strictly proletarian) instead of engaging with useless at best, opportunist at worst interclassist bullshit (like voting) isn't "defeatism".
>>1890463You have a cartoonish view of history if you believe voting for one person or another will change major trends in capitalism (or any system, obviously).
>>1890256I'll let you in on a not very well guarded secret. The real left (usually marxist but possibly anarchists as well, they don't usually start discussions with "Hi I'm [ideology]) is embedded in anti-war and climate activism and others. Such as you mentioned, reproductive rights and so forth
>>1890964>the real left is peddling interclassist reformThis is why I'm a communist and not a leftoid.
>>1890965Bro why you gotta make everything about your pet issue. Newgene/Eugene levels of annoying and repetitive.
>>1890158>theoretical-critical activity>You need to read some Debord.Intellectuals are truly a blight upon proletarian organization. I don't care if you like philosophy or whatever but don't pretend it's a necessity for communism, because it isn't at all.
>>1890957The moment they namedropped Debord for whatever fucking reason and outed themselves as a "cultural critic" you should realize none of their posts have anything of merit, lol.
>>1890966>basic marxism is (schizo meta shit)What the fuck are you even talking about. You're the moron talking about Da ReAl Left and then bringing up fucking "reproductive rights" (lmfao).
>>1890968I'll ask once, out of morbid curiosity, what, in your conception, does it mean to be a communist/socialist? Except having the right worldview / ideology because that is easy as hell.
>>1890970Literally read the posts I made immediately above?
>>1890967Intellectualism is communism
All anti-intellectualism is anti-communism
>>1890971Do you do anything? In real life, in reality?
>>1890972Communism engages with the actual world, not with useless questions that only bored college students enjoy.
>>1890975The world must be thought for it to be engaged with
>>1890973>post creds or your argument is invalidAre you seriously asking for details of my IRL activity on a fucking communist imageboard? Can you fucking engage with the actual discussion or are you going to keep derailing with irrelevant shit?
>>1890978I am engaging the real discussion, then you came in with your completely irrelevant, ivory tower shit
lmao (this is not communism, that is not communism, communism doesn't exist, which is so trivial it loops back around to being funny)
>>1890977Empty platitudes. You don't think to read anything, not even Marx, to engage in proletarian organization. Though reading Marx sure would help with the awful discussions we regularly get here.
>>1890978He is a sagefag. His existence is in being passive aggressive and unproductive
>>1890980>telling people to fucking organize and stay out of interclassist reform is "ivory towery"Right. Anarchists not beating the illiterate allegations as usual.
>>1890981>you dont need to read marx>but people should read marxYour mask is slipping
>>1890982I saw similar schizo-tier posts last night too. It seems any time marxism is brought up against ML/anarchist/liberal shit this guy has to sperg out and flood the thread with shitposts.
>>1890984Damn lol
Again, what does organizing entail? Is it to find clones of you? Bc that's what it feels like is your ultimate objective.
>>1890987Does organizing entail getting butthurt and asking a barrage of nonsense questions anytime you get refuted? Are you a sociopath or something?
>>1890985For the love of god learn to read complete sentences.
Anyone who says you need to read any kind of philosophy to understand communism is a pseud who has no idea what they're talking about. No philosophy of any sort is required to grasp it, not Hegel, not Kant, not Spinoza nor any other philosophercuck.
>inb4 b-but Lenin said you need to read Hegel to understand Capital
Lenin was wrong, he had many of his conceptions in this regard mediated to him by 2nd International theorists like Kautsky & Plekhanov nor did he read works like TGI, which were only published after his death.
>>1890990So youre saying i should… read? Interesting.
>>1890989They are the furthest from nonsense questions any question could be.
You are barely able to do abstraction (or answer basic, concrete questions) but think somehow you have some higher stage of wisdom. It's absurd.
Also projection
>>1890991What next? We need to burn books while we sing patriotic songs, hitler?
>>1890985>>1890990>>1890985If you want to do proper critique of social economy, yes. If you honestly believe the average proletarian needs to read Marx just to simply organize you're deluded.
>>1890994You keep asking irrelevant and even personal shit and can't engage in the matter at hand. You sound genuinely insane.
>>1890996Leftypol is this unholy mix of channer greentexting and twitter taking tweets completely out of context where people will read whatever the fuck they want in your posts, it's amazing.
>>1890997If a worker physically cannot read marx then he is uncivilised and unfit for socialist revolt. Why do you think its always the idiots who get swayed by anti-intellectual demagogues? There are class enemies within the proletariat too, you know. But worse - enemies of universal progress.
I think you don't understand what "personal information" is either on a conceptual level.
I was at various times involved in both the anti-war and climate movement. Now, was that so hard?
What information could be gleaned from that, that would connect this "identity" to other useful information.
Trust me, I am a known entity, I'm not trying to brag but that's what it means to be an organized leftist of any kind.
Ain't done nothing if you ain't been called a red.
>>1890994>>1890995>>1890996I thought you were an AI until your trembling hands made the same post three times.
If the anarchist idea of "at least doing something" is dabbling in bourgeois electoralism, advocating interclassist reformism, peddling democratic illusions and lending support to murderous nationalist wars abroad (but make it sound woke!), then sitting at home is an infinitely better choice in comparison.
Sadly for your types telling people to get focused because the average proletarian doesn't have infinite free time nor resources like yourselves and or is apparently "ivory tower-y" (nothing says ivory tower like wanting people to organize IRL and don't get distracted by reform that benefits the middle-class mostly, duh!). None of the shit that regularly gets brought up here are
strictly proletarian (hence, communist) interests. 'Financial stability' is impossible for proletarians, whereas 'religious freedoms' or 'sexual expression' are
interclassist issues that aren't solely concerned with the proletariat alone and hence don't advance its class interest.I'm out of another hopelessly stupid thread. It would benefit this chan if people didn't also get offended and doubled down when refuted.
No, don't leave, your presence is so pleasant etc.
For anyone else, read
>>1891002
>>1891004Communism isnt proletarian politics - its just that the proletariat are supposed to realise communism (as a transhistorical ideal), by being the revolutionary subject
>>1890957>no one knows what this isI think it's time the board learns. See if you recognize yourself in this paragraph:
<Insofar as Engels not only criticized Dühring but also sought to counterpose the “correct” positions of a “scientific socialism,” he laid the foundations for the worldview of Marxism, which was appreciatively taken up in Social Democratic propaganda and further simplified. This Marxism found its most important representative in Karl Kautsky (1854–1938), who until the First World War was regarded as the leading Marxist theoretician after the death of Engels. What dominated the Social Democracy at the end of the nineteenth century under the name of Marxism consisted of a miscellany of rather schematic conceptions: a crudely knitted materialism, a bourgeois belief in progress, and a few strongly simplified elements of Hegelian philosophy and modular pieces of Marxian terminology combined into simple formulas and explanations of the world. Particularly outstanding characteristics of this popular Marxism were an often rather crude economism (ideology and politics reduced to a direct and conscious transmission of economic interests), as well as a pronounced historical determinism that viewed the end of capitalism and the proletarian revolution as inevitable occurrences. Widespread in the workers’ movement was not Marx’s critique of political economy, but rather this “worldview Marxism,” which played above all an identity-constituting role: it revealed one’s place as a worker and socialist, and explained all problems in the simplest way imaginable.>>1890965People who prize their group identities are actually only prizing structural ignorance.
>>1891250>recognize yourself in this I think I mostly read it but it didn't hold my attention
I rate it 3/10
>>1890986>marxismIf you sign on to that "scientific socialism" bunk even knowing the clear historical record of its creation as a Party mystery, you're obviously no more worth listening to than the capitalists.
>>1890991>Anyone who says you need to read any kind of philosophy to understand communism is a pseud who has no idea what they're talking about. No philosophy of any sort is required to grasp it, not Hegel, not Kant, not Spinoza nor any other philosophercuck.Grasping a religion is nothing to celebrate or be proud of. Neither is epistemic closure.
>>1890999>But worse - enemies of universal progress.Lol, this is a crap bourgeois worldview. Are you sure you're not just a fascist who needs an imaginary friend to be seen worshipping?
>>1891268Since when do fascists believe in universal progress?
>>1891275When they go on about "improving the forces of production", which is as much a project of social re-engineering as it is industrial.
>>1891281Fascists want to revert the industrial revolution in most cases, no? Thats why they have an intrinsic hatred of urban life and modernity.
War is a way of de-industrialising by spending the nation's reserves in a sublime act of violence. The war economy eventually becomes something for itself in the end, not as a means to an end. Hitler himself was suicidal his whole adult life.
>wholesome post immediately flooded by angry REEing MLoids screaming incoherently
the other anon is right, worldview-marxism is a brain disorder
>>1891298Take a screenshot, then.
>>1891008>as a transhistorical idealspooky
>>1891282Social, as in a "New Man" engineering project.
>Fascists want to revert the industrial revolution in most cases, no?They grew out of the SPD lineage. That would be strange. Of course one should never defer to sentiments manufactured by ruling classes.
>Thats why they have an intrinsic hatred of urban life and modernity.Imagine needing to believe that.
<This article highlights the progress that has been made within fascist studies from seeing ‘fascist culture’ as an oxymoron, and assuming that it was driven by a profound animus against modernity and aesthetic modernism, to wide acceptance that it had its own revolutionary dynamic as a search for a Third Way between liberalism and communism, and bid to establish an alternative, rooted modern culture. Building logically on this growing consensus, the next stage is to a) accept that modernism is legitimately extended to apply to radical experimentation in society, economics, politics, and material culture; b) realize that seen from this perspective each fascism was proposing its own variant of modernism in both a socio-political and aesthetic sense, and that c) right-wing regimes influenced by fascism produced their own experiments in developing both a modern political regime and cultural modernism grounded in a unique national history.https://brill.com/view/journals/fasc/5/2/article-p105_2.xml
>>1891315>believing in "third way" politics unironicallyThe ukraine nazis and israel prove that fascism is just the vanguarding of capital under imperialist conditions.
Nationalism itself was a creation of the french revolution with the idea of a people's republic.
All of this is derivative of bourgeois revolutions, which are liberal in kind. Why do you think fascists also largely come from libertarian circles?
Nothing new to see here.
Lolberts are allowed to be hypocrites too. They hate the state yet love the cops. Sounds familiar - no step on snake, but submit the lesser people to an iron will.
>>1891319>>believing in "third way" politics unironicallyThey aren't referring to the neoliberal think tank. It's a generic term for triangulation, Aufheben in the sense of uplift. The social machinations of fascism are important to explore, unless we simply wish to treat the machinations of the economy as some great god to whom we must bow. (Marx wouldn't)
>The ukraine nazis and israel prove that fascism is just the vanguarding of capital under imperialist conditions."Vanguarding" is now a verb, oh dear.
Even if so, that simply does not happen without a superstructure to guide the capitalization. Not every contest is fully determined; that's symptomatic of the Worldview.
>>1891344Fascism in italy existed as a way for the aristocracy to protect themselves from socialist resistance.
Hitler also saw his greatest enemy in communism.
Fascism is not anti-capitalism, it is illiberal anti-communism.
There is no sublation of socialism and capitalism in practice to uplift a new way; it always concretises itself to the powers which sponsor it, which originate in anti-communist paranoia.
You can be critical of both socialism and capitalism, but in the end (because we are historically contextual beings) we must choose a side ultimately.
I think there can be right-wing socialists, but fascists are not socialists.
>>1891355>You can be critical of both socialism and capitalism, but in the end (because we are historically contextual beings) we must choose a side ultimately.>faggotty-ass great god battle in the cosmosNo, we can burn it down and we can spoil the prize they would have won. The show does not, in fact, need to go on.
>>1891363So you dont believe in (world) history, economics and progress then?
My main problem with "socialism or barbarism idea" is that even if we agree that every problem must be approached from a collective socialist manner, this will just cause more sectarist infighting of what is or is not a socialist solution to a problem instead of just resolving the problem.
>>1891372All solutions to capital's internal contradictions are socialist
Socialism is not merely an ideology, but is a mode of production and a stage of history
>>1891364>believe inYou'll have to unpack this for me, because it sounds like you're asking me to subordinate myself to a value system. Living in other people's dreams is the epitome of retardation.
>(world) historyWhat does it mean, exactly, to "believe in" world history? Worlds can be ended just as gods can be killed (these are often accomplished in the same motion). Yes, there is a chronicle of events that were meaningful to some self-organized group of persons. So? They're nobody to me.
>economicsIf you "believe in" "economics" you are reifying capitalism, retard. Marx specifically told you NOT to reify economic categories.
<In capital — profit, or still better capital — interest, land — rent, labour—wages, in this economic trinity represented as the connec- tion between the component parts of value and wealth in general and its sources, we have the complete mystification of the capitalist mode of production, the conversion of social relations into things, the direct coalescence of the material production relations with their historical and social determination. It is an enchanted, perverted, topsy-turvy world, in which Monsieur le Capital and Madame la Terre do their ghost-walking as social characters and at the same time directly as mere things. It is the great merit of classical economy to have destroyed this false appearance and illusion, this mutual independence and ossification of the various social elements of wealth, this personification of things and conversion of production relations into entities, this religion of everyday life. It did so by reducing interest to a portion of profit, and rent to the surplus above average profit, so that both of them converge in surplus value; and by representing the process of circulation as a mere metamorphosis of forms, and finally reducing value and surplus value of commodities to labour in the direct production process. Nevertheless even the best spokesmen of classical economy remain more or less in the grip of the world of illusion which their criticism had dissolved, as cannot be otherwise from a bourgeois standpoint, and thus they all fall more or less into inconsistencies, half-truths and unsolved contradictions. On the other hand, it is just as natural for the actual agents of production to feel completely at home in these estranged and irrational forms of capital — interest, land — rent, labour — wages, since these are precisely the forms of illusion in which they move about and find their daily occupation. It is therefore just as natural that vulgar economy, which is no more than a didactic, more or less dogmatic, translation of everyday conceptions of the actual agents of production, and which arranges them in a certain rational order, should see precisely in this trinity, which is devoid of all inner connection, the natural and indubitable lofty basis for its shallow pompousness. This formula simultaneously corresponds to the interests of the ruling classes by proclaiming the physical necessity and eternal justification of their sources of revenue and elevating them to a dogma.
>and progressLol, yes, it's a bourgeois ideology that serves only as a rationale for the usurpation of the worker's surplus toward futile expenditure. The capital cycle depends on workers who need access to capital, remember.
If you spent even half the time researching the roots of your religion as you do "believing in" it, you be much less than half as stupid.
>>1891374Lol no they're not. Marx sought to abolish everything about political economy, not merely to reform it.
<The work I am presently concerned with is a Critique of Economic Categories or, if you like, a critical exposé of the system of the bourgeois economy. It is at once an exposé and, by the same token, a critique of the system. (MECW, 40:270; emphasis in original)You have failed to comprehend the full dimensions of "critique" because managerial liberalism has raised you to love and respect all that is. Or was that Hegel?
>>1891377Reality has to be believed in for it to have social existence. Think for example if people believed they could never crash their cars. Suddenly there would be pile-ups. Science is a form of production today based on the "surplus-knowledge" of its positive feedback too.
>world-historyIt is in most basic terms the encapsulation of the world within the capital relation, by which we have our being.
>economicsYes, the discourse of political economy begins with capitalism, but there is still a legacy of logistical organisation which underpins human relations which we can call "economics", and which from commodity-circulation begets the circulation of money which sparks the capital circuit. This is marx's point of the determination of economic life toward global capitalism - saying "neither socialism or barbarism" once again points to ignorance of this lived experience.
>progressSo you dont believe in progress? Thats fine.
>>1891378So socialism is not the steps taken toward a political critique of capitalism by a negation of the negation, thus ending the anarchy of production, crisis of overproduction, private property and surplus-value?
>>1891378>managerial liberalism Is there managerial socialism, or is all managerial theory capitalist?
>>1891382>It is in most basic terms the encapsulation of the world within the capital relation, by which we have our being.Is that intended to inspire some sort of piety or something?
>the discourse of political economy begins with capitalismThe discourse of political economy IS the discourse of capitalism. As Marx said, what you are reading in
Capital is an EXPOSÉ, not a Comtist receipt book. What you are doing by elevating "political economy" to a dogma is nothing more or less than conserving the work of the bourgeoisie. Worldview idpol has you so turned around that you have no idea what is going on in the superstructure.
>This is marx's point of the determination of economic life toward global capitalismEconomic determinism is mythology. You should recognize these things by their forms and trash them immediately.
>saying "neither socialism or barbarism" once again points to ignorance of this lived experienceThe point is to change it. Social phenomena need to be recognized in order to reproduce. Assertive abolitionism confounds their reproduction, causing the generation of inviable or unproductive offspring. Western Marxists are making headway here, assisting in the queering of the reproduction of Protestant gender.
>So socialism is not the steps taken toward a political critique of capitalism by a negation of the negation, thus ending the anarchy of production, crisis of overproduction, private property and surplus-value?That's just liberal managerialism. Sorry not sorry to burst your bubble, PMCoid.
>>1891404All critique, no construction
Take the cannibalpill.
>>1891405Good. Structure worship is German idealism and you need to put away childish things.
>>1891409If the world believes in creating the future while you sit back by only corrupting the present then you can still be a martyr for an impossible world.
>>1891410>the world>believes in>corrupting>martyr>impossible worldRetarded aristocrat babble
>>1890342Protraced People's War! It's the only method that can actually defeat the modern bourgeois state.
>>1891250That's not a very insightful paragraph. Any Communist could write this against their ideological enemies. Are you perchance a leftcom or 'orthodox marxist' (lmao).
>>1891437>Any Communist could write this against their ideological enemiesIf that is so, then ideology is clearly the problem here, regardless of what it purposed to solve, and the worker's movement's attempts to construct one in contradiction to Marx's philosophy have proven to be a terrible, pernicious mistake.
With all the shit Kautsky also wrote on theology, I'd hope that those who presume to science would be the first to cut that entire diseased branch off the tree…
>>1890975Anyone telling you not to think is trying to enslave you
>>1891437>Protraced People's War! It's the only method that can actually defeat the modern bourgeois state.Not possible against the current state of art in war technology, especially so in urban environments.
>>1891454Not necessarily true; current technology depends on a lot of centralization; damage to highly connected resources causes more adversary headaches than damage to less connected ones; and damage to any resource is often more costly and urgent to the adversary's effort than total destruction. (Simple example: the services rendered with urgency to a soldier on a battlefield when he is wounded vs. killed)
This also applies to strategy; the destruction of a general staff or the diligent elimination of important civilian support personnel (planners, marketers, scholars) can indeed decide a war. Ukraine never recovered from the kalibration of the Yavoriv training school and command center.
I admit the minor problem that such an action must arise extremely quickly in order to realize the full benefit of these asymmetries. Hong Kong NGOs and NAFO showed us the way here.
I’m grillpilling because I’m not a leader or organizer. Just tell me when to come out, otherwise I will be grillmaxxxing
>>1891461Where I live, there's no access to firearms to build a militia. It's not a possibility, and I'm talking about finantial resources. Are the workers supposed to fight against automatic rifles with sticks and pebbles?
>>1891471Systems tend to contain at least one critical point, which when attacked can cause failures that cascade through the system.
Look up Hong Kong's Umbrella Movement and adopt a systematic, problem-solving mindset that undermines the adversary's ability to act. Organizational, logistical, social, material. Bananas in tailpipes. Caltrops at the police garage. False or real alarms elsewhere. Disturbance to ruling or enforcing families' other projects or social value.
>>1891479The families of enforcers are not sacred. Let them all be driven to murder-suicide.
>>1891004I dont know how you think it is possible to advance the class interests of the proletariat without organizing among the proletariat, even if its for inter-class interests. Those are exactly the circumstances where contradictions make class tangible to those who thought they share the same interests as the petit-bourgeois
>>1891004if someone appears to make the same post more than once on here, but the post has the same time stamp, it is usually a bug.
>>1891566There is very much an element of autism in that post. I remember an argument between stemlords which went something like:
>x has cooked bad smelling food. That's reckless (in the sense of not looking out for other people).<They didn't necessarily know it smelled bad>Well, it smelled bad to everybody else<But no one told them that>Well, they must know<You know that not everyone has the same brain you do, right?
>>1891453If you don't do your own thinking it'll be done for you.
>>1891454War technology is not the problem in any way. In urban enviorments guerrilas will be at the advantage unless the state wants to start massacring all its citizens. It doesn't matter how many billion pound tanks they make when we just blow them up with £500 drones. I'd like to hear what new invention you think beats guerrilas specifically. In fact, PPW only gets stronger the deadlier the weapons they throw at you. Intelligence technology and stuff like AI tracking is much more worrying than any physical weapon they can invent within the next hundred years. That's the real dangerous tech they have, though you might have been refering to it. I guess it could be considered in the same field as any plane or drone they can make.
The thing is, even with such advanced intelligence apparati that 1st world Bourgeois states have, it doesn't really beat the strategy of PPW. Yes, if they were incorrectly applying Jefatura to the wrong conditions the guerrilas would easily be defeated when their leader is found and apprehended, but that would be a specific mistake and not an inherent problem of the strategy. But, spies and psyops can't really beat a mass movement easily. It's a blow if the leaders are arrested but it doesn't collapse the movement. The Naxalites have had many of their important leaders and theorists mudered or arrested over the years and yet they survive. By building base areas individuals can have a greater degree of freedom. There's not much they can do bar drone strike if you have someone living in a liberated area where the people support them, and a missile strike would be the worst thing the state could do in that situation. The police aren't omniscient and if you're smart you can outmanouver them. A strong party that moves with the people is needed for this to work and such a party would need to be created anyway.
>>1891479It'd probably be more in places like Detroit, but idk I'm not American. Also, as I have said drone striking is the worst thing the state could possibly do. If the government started dropping bombs on its own country it would radicalise so many people. I think your post is a little ridiculous.
I think what makes PPW especially important in Imperialist countries is that its the only real way to defeat apathy and integration into the bourgeois system, which are by far the biggest threats to socialist movements. They're right at the bottom of The state has advanced past needing the stick to hit people to keep them in line 24/7. Their power now comes from its psychological control (I'm not sure this is a good word but I can't think of one better, I'm not talking about like spiritual power here but how the state co-opts things and makes it seem like you can't win and shouldn't try). Marxist-Leninist orgs (not to mention Trotskyites etc.) are not equipped to deal with this modern state and therefore end up co-opted or apathetic and universally revisionist. Waiting forever for the right conditions which won't come will inevitably end up with you getting co-opted anyway. I think there's a word or term for what I'm thinking of but my tongue can't find it. It defeats the sort of post-modernist nihilism though, for one. Anyway I'm not advocating for focoism or random adventurism because that's just as useless, or for diving in without waiting a while to see if the situation can become more favourable. But PPW completely cuts through the state's cultural hegemony. It defeats the bourgeois' stronges aspect and then fights them where they are much weaker, in a battle that a suitably organised party can actually win. That's why I sort of unironically think it is 'eternal', in the sense that it is applicable to almost all conditions on Earth right now (not that it will always be. Whilst it can defeat the intelligence apparatus it might have a hard time against bioweapons and drones that can kill anyone sympathetic overnight, but thats just sci-fi for now of course).
>>1891907Generals worry about logistics. Reactionary tampons worry about
>It defeats the sort of post-modernist nihilism though, for one
>>1891992That's a really specific part of my post to get triggered by.
>>1892002It's a retarded reactionary dogwhistle.
>idk I'm not AmericanThen you should unironically kill yourself for propagating your pietous mental illnesses back to a people that has no use for them.
>>1891907I agree and disagreee. I agree that the militar technology isn't really a dealbreaker for a PPW, and that intelligence is much scarier for the reasons you listed. But with that said, I don't think PPW is workable in developed countries. Why? Because there is no pesantry and no indipendent production.
In Mao's china the near totality of the population were pesants who lived in villages and were, for the most part, economically indipendent from the rest of the country, at least at a basic level. Specifically, pesants were both willing and able to produce a surplus of food and basic items to sustain the communist army in the long run.
Compare such situation to a developed area such as europe: here the very last pesantry was estinguished more than half a century ago after having become irrelevant and a minority decades prior. In developed nations you don't really have local production: each production unit, factory or farm, depends on the market at least on the national scale to be able to source it's input materials. In the case of farms, this manifests in mechanized agriculture, which is dependent on fertilizers, anti-parasite products, complex machinery and more to function properly.
Adding to that, farmers have long shed their pesant origins and behave like petit-bourgeois, horribly exploiting migrant labour to make profit on a regular basis.
These factors combine and make a PPW unworkable in developed countries as any army would have trouble establishing a stable base of operations, and would be strictly dependent on foreign support to be able to continue production in the areas it manages to conquer.
>>1891282Yes that’s definitely what the Nazis did
The Wehrmacht was the opposite of the Industrial Revolution
The Shoah was the opposite of an industrialized genocide
The Nazis didn’t give kickbacks to massive industries
This is the shit you start to believe once you unironically fall for the “anprims are fascists” meme
>>1892016>They think they can split the superstructure apart from the base,The "superstructure" is not entirely determined by the "base"; see Engels' letter to J. Bloch for an explanation of the economistic error.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_09_21b.htm<I would further ask you to study the theory from its original sources and not from secondhand works; it is really much easier. One can say that Marx has written nothing in which some part of the theory is not found. An excellent example of its application in a specific way is the “Eighteenth Brumaire of L. Bonaparte.” Also in “Capital” (III) are many illustrations. And also permit me to recommend to you my writings, Herr E. Duehring’s “Umwalzung der Wissenchaft,” and “Feuerbach und der Ausgang der Klassischen deutschen Philosophie,” in which I have given the most ample illustrations of Historical Materialism which to my knowledge exists. That the young people give to the economic factor more importance than belongs to it is in part the fault of Marx and myself. Facing our adversaries we had to lay especial stress on the essential principle denied by them, and, besides, we had not always the time, place, or occasion to assign to the other factors which participate in producing the reciprocal effect, the part which belongs to them. But scarcely has one come to the representation of a particular historical period, that is, to a practical application of the theory, when things changed their aspect, and such an error was no longer permissible.
>>1892033I suspect that people who argue that "fascists are anti-modern" are actually M-Ls with one foot in fascism, trying to brand "modernism" as M-L's exclusive property despite actually existing history.
>>1892044Collectivism and equality are liberal, enbrace modernism and accelerationism
>>1892051Literally all those things are liberalism you fucking retard
Only politics that causes me stress is Ukraine war. Besides that im grillpilled and shitpost here because I enjoy discussing leftist politics.
>>1891907>Also, as I have said drone striking is the worst thing the state could possibly do. If the government started dropping bombs on its own country it would radicalise so many people. I think your post is a little ridiculous. <Tulsa 1921<Battle of Blair Mountain 1921<MOVE 1985if you think the US gov.
wouldn't drone strike guerilla positions in a protracted people's war, then "I think your post is a little ridiculous."
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