Seriously, during the communist days, many people liked going to see the animals in the circuses and nobody saw it as something wrong, before PETA ever existed.
To this day in Russia, there are circuses with animals, interestingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tskbF6cM0G4And mostly outcry about circuses with animals is in capitalistic countries.
Back then in communist Poland, circuses with animals used to be liked as well. And up till 90s, 2000s and 2021, they used to be popular for children.
What happened? And please, no reactionary liberal rhetoric.
>>2104603>They stop eating because illness does not let them do it, not because they have a will for reject a food, like people. >Implying humans aren't also doing it because an illness makes them not able or unwilling to eat>A perfectly physically and mentally healthy person can just choose starve for fun, an activity that would be fun to someone in perfect mental condition.
>Any monkey grow a quite normal, if they grow among another animals. If people grow up among another animals, they does not grow a semi normal, no to mention a normal part of people society.No, other social animals do have social norms, perhaps not as sophisticated or violently enforced, but enough that being reintroduced can lead to stress and social outcasting. Pretty sure there's more research about this in other animals than in humans.
>humanizing animals is idealist>but humanizing humans is fine somehowIt's wild that anthropomorphization has just become mysticism. Liberal identity hinges on seeing humanity as an irreplicable abberation in the world of cogs, and even the some of most devout rejectors of liberalism refuse to disensnare themselves from that because it's so integral.
>>2104754>>Implying humans aren't also doing it because an illness makes them not able or unwilling to eatNope.
>>A perfectly physically and mentally healthy person can just choose starve for fun, an activity that would be fun to someone in perfect mental condition.For example, well normal man in prison can go on a hunger strike, because cops torturing him. He did these not because he ill, he want give a publicity on torturing prison.
>NoIn your opinion, human growed without a contact at other people can adapt in their society same, like monkey growed without a contact at other monkeys in their society…
Its really genius!
>HUMANS ITS NOT HUMANS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEFine.
>>2104844>normal man in prisonhigh stress, isolative environment
>because cops torturing himeffecting his mental state
>he want give a publicity on torturing prisonConvincing himself, within the confines of a prison, that it would even work.
>In your opinion, human growed without a contact at other people can adapt in their society sameI made no mention of such. I'm honestly not sure how you would begin to construct such a reading.
>HUMANS ITS NOT HUMANS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEDo you not question the etymology of words you use, and how they would potentially shape your worldview? What, concretely, is being attributed when you "humanize" a non-human subject in this context, and why do you believe humans have this attribute(s) to begin with? Every time I've seen someone attempt to answer this the veer towards the metaphysical.
>>2107185>high stressOmg, billions other people same feel a high stress. I guess, you dont understand what is concept of normal, dude.
>isolative environmentAnd concept of prison…
>Do you not question the etymology of words you use, and how they would potentially shape your worldview?Maybe, should guess this question to you, not you to me.
>humanizeYou attribute a animals humans qualities, like will and labor.
>why do you believe humans have this attribute(s) to begin withPeople dont have a will and labor? Dude, maybe i should prove you a exist of metter?
So where is a examples of animal suicides?
>>2107490Normal =/= healthy. It is normal to be mentally ill.
>willSo metaphysics. You're hiding a "does free will exist" philosophical mugging under a vaguely defined buzzword.
>labourDidn't mention it. Many animals are exploited for labour, not as much now because motor vehicles, but there are still many that do. In fact the thread topic is an example.
>People dont have a willMetaphysical schizobabble. The concept of free will only exists to suggest it's abscence. Someone that thinks materialistically, let alone in first person isn't contemplating the concept of will.
>labourNot a uniquely human quality and thus irrelevant.
>animal suicides>suicide is an athropomorphic characteristicLMAO, but sure here's an article
https://manvsclock.com/tarsier-suicidal-monkey-bohol/#11_The_tarsier_suicide_claim_is_correct_and_commonNot that it's relevant but it was so odd to bring up I felt like looking it up.
And a wikipedia to point ya toward further research.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicideAnd just all examples of human suicides since without bring metaphysics into the equasion humans are animals.
>>2091579This. so many people are just becoming outright little fashoids revolting against science
people should read chapter 3 of this book
https://www.marxists.org/archive/dutt/1935/fascism-social-revolution-2.pdfparticularly the section titled "the revolt against science"
>>2090696Hitler was not vegetarian or vegan; this was propaganda concocted by Goebbels to make Hitler appear akin to that of Gandhi.
Non-human animals are based, have complex phenomenological experiences, and many of which are loving towards their human counterparts. Liberal vegans, zionist vegans, these all exist. But Marxist vegans exist to.
Don't allow shitlibs to dominate veganism as an ethical approach.
>>2108105Hitler was vegetarian, Gobbles didn't make that up, obviosly the nazis didn't even want to portray Hitler like Gandhi, a pacifist
>>2108106It's not, obviously the info comes from nazis because no one else really had an access to hitler's personal life, but it wasn't "propaganda" as it was from their diaries.
>>2159243Because liberals are shit.
That's why we can't have nice things.
>>2159371normal person: me likey cheese burger
vegans/vegetarians: you are the moral and ethical equivalent of a cannibal murderer
normal people: lmao
how does it feel to know that people will still be eating meat from factory farms in 100 years
>>2159375Im starting to hate the word "empathy" because the people who preach it are usually vitriolic.
"Empathy" is just used a paternalistic insult used against those who disagree with ones opinion.
>>2159398normal person: Me likey Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
leftists/libtards: You are the moral and ethical equivalent of a fascist
normal people: Lmao
How does it feel to know that capitalism will still exist in 100 years?
>>2159243>So, returning to this discussion, why is possesing wild animals or even non-abusive circuses with animals compared to cruelest forms of slaughterhouses and hunting (more specifically poaching)?Answer me.
Hey, you have to discuss this.
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