Have any of you guys used rednote since it got popularized a month ago? What’s the impression you are getting from talking to Chinese users? I must say I am disappointed. The people have nothing insightful to say. They are like liberals with merely a different culture. They don‘t even sound like they know Marxism. The entirety or their “socialism” is to blindly rely on the government handling things. Their stance on nationalism also sounds contriver and convoluted. They are also in favor of depoliticization which to me just sounds like a cheap attempt at avoiding social issues while framing it as a virtue.
>>2155699>I've had plenty of insightful conversations on there, but it's an algorithm site, so luck of che draw I guess.I admit my algorithm was kind of all over the place because I generally don‘t click on not interested when I am not. Cleaned it up a bit now and it‘s mostly socialist content now. However, I did make Chinese mutuals and asked them about China and socialism. It hasn‘t blown me away to be honest.
> They learn it in school, it's just normal to them. There may be a language barrier.I know, I just see little of it in their reasoning.
>It feels almost like they treat the "no politics" rule as one against being a debate addict.Yup, that confused me as well. I thought politics wasn‘t allowed but the algorithm eventually showed me plenty of political posts.
>>2155679>They are like liberals with merely a different culture … They are also in favor of depoliticization which to me just sounds like a cheap attempt at avoiding social issues while framing it as a virtue.Well, liberalism and socialism have the same root. Like the original idea behind socialism was to do the stuff the liberals only talked about but couldn't do because capitalism. Also I don't think Marxism or socialism is edgy at all there. Like the other anon said, it's something you learn about in school. I don't know a lot about China, it's a vast and complicated country. As far as their avoiding social issues, I'm not sure what to think about it. I do think a lot of social conflicts we have seem like tribal warfare to them, like it's just an irrational thing that gets in the way of solving problems. The Chinese attitude towards a lot of things seems like "mind your business" or "none of my business" or "you two work this out" without having the state intervene. The state intervenes to handle important things, but it's actually a highly atomized and individualistic society in many ways.
I find it interesting that their sci-fi tends to go for hard realism. I read Star Wars bombed over there because the Western mysticism didn't make sense, and also the new stuff is treading on nostalgia for movies they didn't really watch so the technology looks obsolete.
>>2155918Hit report, this shit is gonna be gone.
Now try to report racism on Youtube, Reddit, Twitter, good luck.
>>2155975China watcher funds dried up with the destruction of USAID, no more propagandabux.
>>2155976Yeah right bro, I can hop into my car and drive into a sundown town in under half an hour and I’m gonna be at real risk of physical harm, but everytime I see someting barely Russian or Chinese or Indian or South African on the net I get reminded by an army of redditors that those people are my real enemies because look at those racist screenshots. Nah not gonna fall for it, sorry.
>>2155996>playing dumbOh sorry for denying the universal racism field and hitler particles bro, I was thinking about laws and enforcement against hate crimes and social outcomes for minority groups, not cherry picking social media posters to cobble together the world's most simplistic cultural critique.
Go on let's talk about Han supremacism
>>2156005You can't even parse one post correctly, what's the point.
>>2156008Yes, I know that you don't actually care about the racism and you just want to use it to score points against China as a whole. You don't have to let me know with this kind of retarded sophomoric reply.
>>2156016You stupid or something? The contention was that China does not have less of a problem with racism than the rest of the world. This is even more ridiculous than the people who try to call the country homophobic (clearly never seen Chengdu posters!). Don't try to pretend that we don't know what you're doing here now, buddy. You think you're so slick.
>you're madI'm having a great time on the app and I have literally not once seen anything like that. You read like someone who grabbed a screenshot he got on Twitter and wants to stir the pot. If you weren't mad at the app and China you would at least go to the trouble of reporting disgusting racist yammering. It's exactly like I said before, you don't even care enough about the racists to report them. It's not your problem because it's Chinese? Everything is everyone's problem, you little smoothbrain!
>>2156076>read about this by the greatest Marxist writer of the last century.Lmao, you are the same needlessly abrasive cunt I asked in the other thread a while back to tell me the name of the Marxist thinker you were praising and here you are revealing it after all.
>while also refusing to report the same posts you are complaining about.I‘m not spending my time reporting hundreds of racist comments on some Chinese app, you colossal, pretentious cunt. Despite the fact that you want to posture as mindblowingly intelligent you somehow can‘t grasp that.
>>2156068Woah there are racists on Rednote, meanwhile when brown people dare to exist in the United Poopy States.
>wahhh why do you mention the United Poopy StatesCos you are either from there or you perfectly toe their line on how racism is the same abroad, it ain't.
>>2156138I am actually 69 years old
>>2156135>>2156129Everyone who post in this thread against Communist China must be shot. All pigs.
>mass seethingYou lost
>>2156135Who tf is the hazbin hotel spammer I've been here since like 2019
>>2156134Can you explain why those videos I posted don't get spam reposted when somebody mentions something American on the internet? Whether it is on Reddit, Twitter or here? If one has the motivation to have a folder saved on how people from X country are doing the racism and is famished enough to repost those posts and videos every time X country is mentioned, then why isn't there the same motivation when the United States is mentioned?
What is a both-sider that only shits on one side? I've seen right-wingers argue on the net for almost two decades, feinting ignorance, projecting their own faults on non-whites, trying to find ways to rationalize their racism. It was particularly eye opening on Twitter, alot of accounts that claimed that they weren't Nazis and that the hecking libtards see fascism everywhere went mask off the moment Musk bought the site, many triumphantly exclaiming that they lied about not being Nazis. "Just asking question." turned into "Yeah, I want them genocided, gonna cry?"
You can go back to Xitter any time, bro, you can watch posts about dead Black children getting thousands of likes without getting deleted. Congrats on pushing the same Reddit/Twitter/4chan screenshots on /leftypol/ that I would see "Hyperborea1488Rapist" on Xitter repost.
>>2156205I didn’t need to check my food for extras when I was staying in Shanghai, meanwhile I still have to when the cook gives me the stinky eye in rural Cali. Born and raised, living for almost 30 years in the US and still a second class citizen subhuman in the mind of the average non-black American, meanwhile I saw Japanese sporting perms and listening to Japanese imitations of drill rap in Tokyo, I had people walk up to me trying to talk to me in English in Taiwan, people wouldn’t switch the sides of the street when I walked at night in Seoul, I didn’t get any food poisoning or racism in India.
Travel the world, please, internetbrained mf.
>>2156221That didn‘t even make sense as a reply to me. No one said there isn‘t racism in the US.
>meanwhile I saw Japanese sporting perms and listening to Japanese imitations of drill rap in TokyoAnd you will find non-black people in the US doing the same and clearly that doesn’t refute the existence of racism in the US? Neither would it in any other country.
>I had people walk up to me trying to talk to me in English in Taiwan, people wouldn’t switch the sides of the street when I walked at night in Seoul, I didn’t get any food poisoning or racism in India.You are a colossal dumbass for thinking this proves these countries aren‘t racist, especially when you put South Korea and India in that list.
Your response was both unwarranted and retarded.
>>2156236I’m not gonna read your post to be honest, I told you my personal experiences and you will probably try to debunk them because you have the agenda you try to push.
You’re getting kinda angry now, don’t like a Black man talking you down huh?
>>2156238Are you high or something? This is not a strawman, this is the original claim. See here:
>>2155918>The Chinese are definitely not less racistSorry that the version of this thread in your delusion world isn't perceivable by me. I bet you're having fun in there though.
>>2156269 (Me)
Surely you have no issues writing Chinese characters with your keyboard, right anon?
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>>2156290 (Me)
Most of these comments are positive you're tripping. This is some post being dogpiled by racists and still most people are trashing them.
Again the whole premise of this that racism isn't measured by socioeconomic outcomes and hate crimes but by the worst examples of people you can find on social media is ridiculous. But keep reading that as "it's cool for Chinese people to be racist".
>>2156305You literally said there were hundreds of racist replies? I get you must be pretty under-socialized, but someone replying back to you is pretty typical of a conversation. Try texting your friends sometime anon.
As I thought, there are not many more than you screenshotted. I am even translating these and you are exaggerating even your own examples.
Maybe just present this stuff in a less sensationalistic manner if you're unwilling to deal with criticism?
>>2156304>your bizarre insistence I think it is good when Chinese people are racist?When did I ever say that? You keep making your strawman arguments over and over again. Is that your version of autistic stimming to keep you comforted?
>More importantly, did you CHARGE YOUR PHONE?I do agree that‘s far more important than anything you said so far.
>>2156306You can literally just scroll up and see that you are claiming China is just as racist as the rest of the world (again premised on the idea that racism is not a colonial institution and can be measured by random social media screenshots, but cannot be measured by socioeconomic outcomes and laws etcetera), and that there were "hundreds of racist comments" in these threads.
Every layer of this has misrepresentation. It's simply bait.
>>2156308You keep switching between that and saying I denied there are racist people in China. Scroll up.
>>2156310He's creaming his shorts oh no
>>2156315That is not what "racism is a colonial institution" means y
holy shit. I already clarified racism existed before the invention of phrenology, and this is a reference to the historical study of colonial racism, something which has yet to be stamped out of any western academic institution. Unless you think affirmative action programs and other forms of brain drain fixed everything.
>>2156300A member of the Hui ethnicity sat on the State Council, which is the operating body of the Chinese government. A Uyghur is guaranteed a seat on the Politburo as a representative of Xinjiang. A Chinese Mongol was in charge of PLA Naval Aviation for a while.
Yes, Chinese people will be racist, even against other Chinese (regional differences), but it's not permitted to be institutional because of government policy.
The Chinese do not have a policy of public politeness and inner racism, they are racist without but non-racist within.
>>2156331Read the section on China here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia_and_racism_related_to_the_COVID-19_pandemicThat is what I'm talking about. But obvious bad faith posting for not even trying to investigate the facts.
>>2156298 (me)
Also seems like at this hour they are immediately zapping a lot of it. Not always like that but nice to see.
>>2156341You realize that the Han-Uyghur income gap is smaller than the black-white income gap in America, right? One of the objectives of the reeducation campaign in Xinjiang is to reduce that income gap.
And the main issue that ruined Han-Uyghur relations was Wahhabi terrorism (Uyghurs are traditionally Sunni). That issue has been resolved.
Hi Eglin/Huachaha/whatever the USN base for psyops is.
>>2156343I know about the filter, it just seems like such a stupid move to drop the N bomb after all of your grandstanding. Unlike you, I don't live here, or smear my shit on the walls here, but if you want to do that in your hole that I like to visit, be my guest. Nobody will ever benefit from learning about you "board culture" including you.
Do you really think that tweaking out to the point you say something like that helps?
>>2156349 (Me)
Like it is genuinely unthinkable to me that anyone would be dumb enough to say the N word after hundreds of comments talking about how Chinese people are racist. Are you some kind of retarded brainqueer or something? What is even the point of this?
>>2156376Nah the "bait" before was good, retards attempting to use the same basic underhanded debate tricks ad nauseam, leading to someone gettong pissed and having a gamer moment. That was real shit. Le DPRK dictatorship posting is snoozey.
>>2156377Oh hey pseudonamefag who reminds people he is Chinese in every single post. It's called pooping on people. I have months of shit and I am taking an oozey dump on this site. It's a special occasion. Why do you live here part-time on Leftypol?
>>2156379 I don’t know what’s bothering you, but go touch some grass.
我不知道什么让你恼火，但是出去走走吧
>>2156377I can't realistically persuade people from a context I know jack shit about while not even knowing the language. Persuading people on the internet is useless even here, on one of the very few sites where most people are capable of being intellectually honest at all, and even then that's far from a guarantee, looking at the posts about muh racism in china itt.
>>2155679It's undoubtedly much better than western social media, as is expected of a socialist country. But many people on the platform are ignorant and lack solidarity. I've seen people laughing at DPRK, for instance, also people unironically repeating western talking points on Ukraine while apparently being from China, but most are just wishy-washy on the issue even when Ukrainian military commanders literally said that they'll attack Tehran and Beijing at their American masters' command. At least acknowledge that the supposedly #1 military in the world wants you dead, your country plundered and your women taken as prostitutes. It's not like random people on XHS are party officials who have to reflect the official party line. I guess they just don't follow outside news, it must feel incredibly depressing to them compared to all the development that's happening in their country. In general it feels like what it is, a society that operates on the same laws as capitalist ones but under strict control from a communist party.
>>2156105Again, you think China loves strangers? It's a relatively homogenous country that gets a filtered vision of what happens outside and they see Western nations divided by internal contradictions largely related to race, culture and faith.
Why would Chinese people NOT be racist again?
>>2156252Based anti-dengism porky btfos china by calling everybody ghetto trash rats and poor.
If your parents aren’t rich = ur racism dengism.
>>2156595>>grainy videosIrrelevant.
>>ancient adIt's from he 2000s lol. It's not like we are taking something from 1930s Germany.
>>racist comments getting 7 likes and getting ratio’d by comments clowning on thenIf you are talking about the rednote screenshots, all comments didn't have much likes in general. Also, no, they weren't getting ratio'd by comments clowning on them. It's really crazy how willing people are to hallucinate if they don't like what they are seeing. You can literally see that no reply to the racist comments got more likes than the original racist comment, ergo there is no ratio.
>>2155679I notice that their algorithm is very different from Tiktok. It doesn't encourage echo-chambering or funneling the same way and I haven't really found my way past the surface. Like i'll get good stuff for a while then construction and cat and makeup videos or whatever. I see a lot of maga spew as well, they just drive-by with some dumb shit "nu-uh". Sometimes it outnumbers constructive comments. It's kind of demoralizing. Some seem like bots, they have AI pics and default names.
As for the chinese people I'm sure some of it is a psyop, right? I KEEP seeing videos after disliking them, blocking individuals, etc. that are like "i dont get why americans are so divided, you should just put aside your differences :)" or "why do you label yourselves, that just divides you?" as if the process of putting aside differences doesn't involve a clashing over ideas, and as if you can avoid ADJECTIVES and socially important differentiating labels that point to important differences.
Also lots of chinese canadian and american immigrants and diaspora. The first gens seem more reactionary, which makes sense. Also lots of chinese people feel they need to comment on american politics while having 0 clue about american history and realities. It's a little frustrating. I also saw at the beginning this trend of telling americans the hidden rules of XHS, including "no politics", which is obviously not a thing (not in their rules) and not enforced if it's a supposed implicit rule. So I think we're getting a little psyopped over there. Also I notice a lot of censorship on left organizing or more in depth commentary or analysis posts. And a marxism chat i was in got muted for a while. So the atmosphere is somewhat censored, but in a restricted and targeted way, definitely better than US social media but not as nice as tiktok.
Also their "follow" feed is so horrible, since it's not chronological and it re-loads every time you leave it. Plus it cherrypicks who you'll see. It feels very facebookish, or maybe just like pinterest honestly, to me. I also think though that TT being kept on life support for the political theatrics has stymied the flow to XHS a little and made it not as nice as it could have been… a ton of stuff i see is re-posted from tiktok.
Also the fujos are of lower quality. They ALL support pedo ships, it's uncanny.Also I want to say that I was on XHS before the flood. It was decent. I really wish americans were able to conform more to the form that the media takes there and not try to make it into surrogate tiktok. Also they gimped the "nearby" feature so hard. It has like a max distance now and I live in the middle of nowhere so it lets me have NOTHING!
>>2158036Doesn't follow
There can be speculation, and a country can still still do things in defiance of the market, including the speculation
>>2158511The same way you enter an imageboard. You click on a link.
leftybooru is the /leftypol/+GETchan booru, been around for 10 years.
https://lefty.pictures/ (We also have a wiki:
https://leftypedia.miraheze.org/ )
>>2158508I have actual autism not internet pedophile "sensitive young man" brain disease and when I talk at people for hours about my special interests they like it because they don't suck
>>2158523Been there it sucks. All of the outlinks on the main page here suck
>>2160775kek. actual autistic behaviour.
>this is my collection of racist chinese postshahaha, wtf.
>>2155795"Well, liberalism and socialism have the same root. Like the original idea behind socialism was to do the stuff the liberals only talked about but couldn't do because capitalism."
Not to derail the thread, but I must insist once again that this particular common root is the one of the major things that handicapped, if not outright doomed, socialism historically.
Whether its the need reference the individual, or the obsession with freedom and equality, or just framing things with respect to human rights (a notion Marx himself rightfully mocked) its truly a travesty.
I mean to give a paradigmatic example: In the 1936 Soviet constitution suffrage became universal rather than class based, effectively ending a formal mechanism of proletarian dictatorship.
More broadly, the comparison of socialism with oriental despotism was thought of as unsavory to many a soviet intellectual, despite the fact that it was precisely the unitary, centralized & disciplinary aspects that were being targeted, which were by far some of the most effective and transformational aspects of Societ political economy prior to Khrushchev.
Once again I maintain: Socialism should not be conceived as the completion of the bourgeois revolution and progress beyond it. Instead, it should be conceived as the negation of the bourgeois revolution and progress in a different direction.
>>2157960> communist party in chargethere are plenty of party-states in the last hundred years that weren't/aren't communist and are functionally the same (LDP japan, PRI mexico, PAP singapore etc.)
>and black bag billionaires when they don't obey, is just Normal Capitalism Thingsso lemme get this straight… communism is when the government builds cities and arrests billionaires??? yoooo
>>2176204Doge, china: whimsy, accessability for those who struggle to parse sarcasm through text, assurance of lightheartedness in a wary world
Doge, ukraine: ethnonationalist schizobabble, soyjak compatibility, "the feds are good actually" rhetoric.
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