/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

why did this have to happen during my lifetime? goddamit

>>2173988
Damn, we got literal servitors before we got gta 6

>>2173997
Or elder scrolls 6

I keep telling people that robots are going to be used to replace capitalism and people keep acting like the problem is the LLM's and shit we have now, and what happens over the next like, 3 years.

The communist manifesto was written nearly 180 years ago, Lenin was having a revolt over 100 years ago, and the most destablizing element to capitalism as a global system is the fact that the center of it is moving away from the traditional hub. So the idea of what robots will be doing not 5 years, but 50 or 100 years from now is actually of pretty serious importance. We don't have infinite time to try to defeat capitalism on this ground.

>>2174123
Damn, you actually think like that? Robots aren’t special man. They are just another machine. If luddites were right about anything, it was that nothing really changed when new technologies were introduced to capitalist industry.

We replaced manual labourers with mills and forges and we have them working in factories and warehouses. We have self driving cars, trucks, and freight trains, yet we still have people operating and maintaining. We have brick laying machines, and yet we keep hiring normal people to watch how they work. Technology in china is at a point where entire skyscrapers can be built automatically and yet you’ll still have humans monitoring and maintaining them.

If anything, I’d be more concerned about the improvements in medicine and prosthetics that actually legitimize the possibility of neoluddism. A robotic takeover of labour would be influential, but a total return to human done work is even worse.

>>2174132
Isn't the whole conciet of Marxism "they need us more than we need them"? What happens when that's no longer true?

>>2174159
I don’t know what this. Maybe. I doubt a robot will ever gain the information needed to learn how to survive independently or even collectively without human oversight.

>>2174132
>>2174170
Ever? Ever? EVER? It's barely been eighty years since the first Turing machines were used for cryptography cracking and you're putting a hard cap on how far robots can go? THe Soviets were just turning the lights on for the first time 100 years ago out of some six thousand years of class society, out of perhaps half a million years of human existence.

Do you think humans are fucking faeries that cannot be imitated successfully?

>>2174420
Thanks, we’ve also had actual centuries to fully mechanize labour and nothing came out of it.

>>2174427
what the actual flying fuck are you talking about
We haven't even had global industrial factories until after WWII.

>>2174430
So? Decades later and we are no where closer to full automation than when we had diesel engines used in mass—if anything, we’re even further away. Should I expect that this trend that post modernists and luddites predicted will suddenly end just because new toy is getting used?

>>2174430
>>2174433
There’s an argument to be made that advancements in industrial technologies actually just end up making people work harder for these reasons:
>more tech just means more manpower is required to develop, assemble, maintain, and use it
>the increased availability of tech predisposes a greater number of people to participate in working in mass on things which ironically causes people in general to work more passively
>because theres a limit to how much we need to work anyways, more tech just leaves people working more in decision making to determine which tools are the most efficient with getting anything done

>>2174159
>What happens when that's no longer true?
This is a very short sentence in the present, abridging a very lengthy process in the far future, to land at a certain conclusion.

You guys kind of missed the point of the thread. This isn't about fully autonomous machines, it's about a human brain placed in a robot body. Your "they can't replace us" debate is pointless, because they could place people in robot bodies and force people like that to work.

>>2174567
Putting people in robot bodies costs more money than just working some poor schmuck to the bone?

>>2174570
Does it really? Wouldn't any other cost to maintain a person and keep them sufficiently content drop entirely while you only need to maintain their brain tissue for them to do the intellectual work "AIs" can't do themselves? Also, the OP was about transitioning to slavery. Imagine robots with human brains simply building whatever rich people want without money involved. The only thing they have to consider would be energy at that point.

>>2174591
If things start heading that way people should start seriously looking at the Khmer Rouge's Year Zero.

They'll just start putting chips in babies brains that control their actions, much easier

>>2174593
Given the progress of using brain organoids on computer chips, I would wager that putting human brain tissue on chips is easier since the brain tissue adapts to the processes provided by chip instead of trying to govern a fully developed human brain with a single chip, that may be rejected by the immune system. Also, putting a chip in the brain of random people's babies will receive far more push back than growing human brain tissue in a lab and placing it on a chip.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63195653

capitalism is the end of history
dont fight it, accelerate it

>>2174420
Faeries don't exist anon. Magic isn't real.

damn this is what i was freaking out about in this thread:
>>2170259
omg this touches on my biotechnological apoctalypticism to a T. ive been genuinely seeing this future for years and honestly i thought it was going to happen much later since people seem to be adopting the wrong ideas with regards to organic development (why is levin talking to kastrup???) but i guess they can just use human brains to do everything. cool. so does anyone have any like actual practical ideas on how to move forward or are you guys just going to tell me to take my meds

>>2175784
Start strategising.
We can give suggestions read go protests join org etc, but nobody know your life better than you.
That phone you hold is a tool of surveillance against you yes but it is also a communication tool that can distribute your words at a speed and to an audience unimaginable by pamphleteer.
Take this into account

>>2175784
Aren't you the robo waifu guy? How is your project coming along? Given the advancements with LLMs you probably used it for your project?

are you guys ready

>>2176005
>Aren't you the robo waifu guy?
ya
>How is your project coming along?
sorta took a hold on it atm to study and stuff
>Given the advancements with LLMs you probably used it for your project?
no. my project was never really creating a robot waifu to begin with. plenty of people on /robowaifu/ have embraced the whole llm thing but i was always interested in synthetic consciousness and actually understanding artificial general intelligence. also i tbh like dolls and i thought maybe the aesthetics might attract more ambitious people, but really it just left me feeling like i basically have to do everything by myself at some point. i dont rlly wanna ego too hard but its like i never even saw anything new i haven been shared in a lot of spaced related to philosophy of mind and agi before while also being interesting for a philosophical approach to agi

>>2176333
>i haven been shared in a lot of spaced
*i have seen shared in a lot of spaces
sorry i was awake for over 24 hours at the time of writing that

>>2176333
I see. Well, stick around and keep us updated, fren

>>2176257
>Kevin J Anderson's Dune stories

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