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>>2182723>>2185031Because he stupidly wishes to rule over the ruins of the country, and is a dark enlightenment asshole
>>2185046He has fucked himself and the system that has upheld his status very seriously. At this rate, the country might not even survive the year.
>>2185057Landian accelerationism is quite different than whats happenining right now.
Landianism is just the acceleration of techno capital. Meanwhile what's happening right now is the bourg taking a revolver and shooting themselves in the head.
>>2185171market downturns = the 0.01% richest cannibalizing the 10% richest. i.e. the haute bourgeoisie and to some extent the political class and media class cannibalizing the petty bourgeoisie. The haute bourgeoisie have the ability to basically insider trade unprosecuted because they know big regulatory moves in advance. This is why someone like Nancy Pelosi trades so much better than the market on average. If you're actively writing legislation and taking part in the political maneuverings leading up to regulation passing, then you are going to know how the market will be affected better than the petty bourgeoisie and maybe some of your contacts in the media will know as well. Information because potential capital in this landscape. You short stocks before they crash because you know which sectors will be affected. This causes the banks to "hold the bag" on the (increasingly worthless) shares put up as collateral by the haute bourgeoisie and the political class with insider knowledge, who tend to (but don't always) liquidate their shares in advance of a market crash. Since the banks end up holding the shares which is used as collateral in exchange for a liquid loan, it is basically as if they end up loaning a lot of money in exchange for rapidly devaluing asset. Since the banks are already engaged in fractional reserve banking where they lend more money than they have on deck because most of the time the people aren't going to collectively do a "run on the bank" and withdraw all at once, this causes a very volatile situation with respect to the banks. We see problems like this go back to the Scottish Banker John Law and the policies he enacted in France in the 1700s. Anyway the haute bourgeoisie liquidates their shares as collateral for a loan, they then wait for the market to crash, for the various speculative bubbles to pop, and use the liquid cash to buy up the now undervalued shares on the market. After a while, when the shares have appreciated in value again, they can use the capital they made off of those timely purchases to pay back the loans and get back their collateral shares that they put up in exchange for the loan in the first place. This is basically a wealth transfer from the petty bourgeoisie to the haute bourgeoisie. It causes downward mobility in what the media calls the "middle class". This is why so many small businesses fail and die during market crashes but the richest only seem to get richer. They basically commit massive amounts of insider trading that goes totally unprosecuted, and orchestrate capital flows in the market to destabilize the economy. Private equity also feeds on the corpses of failed small businesses during times like these. I think one of the reason so many taxpayer dollars goes to keeping small businesses alive with loans in the US is to "refresh" the petty bourgeoisie after they are cannibalized to start the cycle over. Obviously this kind of thing is unsustainable in the long term but in the short term it is a very lucrative game.
>>2185193>solar panelshow tf are burgers supposed to outcompete the chinese who produce 90% of these globally if the process of producing these is slowed down significantly?
holy shit the burger bourg are suicidally retarded
>>2185285neoconservatism:
deregulation, privatization, austerity, union busting, CIA coups, NATO expansion…
neoliberalism:
deregulation, privatization, austerity, union busting, CIA coups, NATO expansion… while occasionally pretending to care about marginalized constituents who only vote for you because they think there's no alternative
>>2185336I know what's going to happen next, Tesla stocks cannot be shorted and you end up with a federal offense. Knowing that Trump is already calling people Domestic Terrorism for protesting Tesla as violence.
I love naked corruption.
>>2185336Where are the black bloc anarkiddies when you need them.
This is such good bait. Asking people to not burn down Tesla stores is just going to result in more Tesla stores being burnt.
>>2185373You keep saying this.
Is it a new meme, is it a schizophrenic episode you are having? Or are you simply mentally handicapped?
>>2185381This guys is the hazbin hotel spammer:
>>2185397Unless you are just playing dumb. You claim you're like some old-timer but if you posted in here in the last year would know why the hazbin hotel filter exists.
>>2185398>YOURE WRONG AND DUMB… I MADE A POST WHERE I PROVIDE NO PROLETARIAN SCIENCE ONLY NEGATIVE CRITICISM OF LITERAL FACTNecessary articles of consumption are group of commodities what proletarians subsist from. Tariff raises production costs of commodities and therefore the values of these necessary articles of consumption increase. This means wages go up because proletarians without necessary articles of consumption die and capitalism fails.
This is basic fucking logic. I have data to prove it. I would ask you to provide your proletarian theories but you will restate MSM Forbes Theory that all taxation of capitalists (tariff) raises costs for consumer. This technically true as nominal price increases but proletarian revenue is tied to articles of consumption, i.e. the cost of reproducing proletarian. You make me waste time when I would have posted important data.
<Real average hourly earnings for all employees increased 0.1 percent from January to February, seasonally adjusted, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. This result stems from an increase of 0.3 percent in average hourly earnings combined with an increase of 0.2 percent in the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U).The real wage rises. Compounding real wage increases is bringing exploiting classes to ruin. Every fraction of a percent gained by the proletariat is tens of thousands ruined exploiters. Price of labor rise and bourgeois inflation skyrocket in every way, proletarian costs deflate.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/realer.nr0.htm>>2185406Explain your proletarian sciences. Prove it not bourgeois tricknology. Explain why taxing capitalists is bad
>>2185417workers are less dependent on credit to survive when they have more value. when real wages increase. you fucking moron
>>2185417>could also add welfare+disability support that provides a small bandaid to those in needProletarians dont qualify for that bullshit. only the surplus-population. Again, they are less dependant upon which when real wages increase.
>>2185421I have refuted all bourgeois notions. i want another round
>>2185229What’s wrong with wanting a big market owned fairly equally and regulated by the public?
>>2185388Are you trolling? Tariffs raise the cost of goods meaning less people will be able to buy them, causing less profits and job losses in the economy.
>>2185443lolberts hate tariff because it destroy capital and the middle class. i dare you to explain why you think tariff helps middle classes
>>2185447>tariffs cause deflation>Tariffs raise the cost of goodsyou make no sense
>>2185405I do not know what fucking data you pull this from.
One, is that capitalism doesn't fail because it kills the wage labourer, the very existence of capitalism is based on the slow death and denial of the reproduction of the wage labourer. This is literally the fundamental criticism of Capitalism, in that it is an unsustainable system
Two, is that the workers won't just die if the prices of consumption shot through the roof. What will happen is that they will simply shift the money that would've gone on buying non essential stuffs like cars into foodstuff and essentials, resulting in a collapse of aggregate demand, and collapse of demand does not result in an increase of wages. It results in the complete opposite, namely collapse of wages, because if you're a petit-bourg hitler and you see people buying less of your products your first instinct won't be
>Hmm, i need to increase wages so my workers can revitalize the economyYour first thought would be to cut wages or just lay off workers entirely to save profit in the face of less sales you retard. This is why the low wage-low investment-demand relationship is circular, not contradictory.
Third, the belief that rising prices will be counteracted by increased investment into production isn't prole economics, it is literally neoclassical economics you fucking retard. Even ignoring this fact most neoclassical economists will say that the US economic has too many fucked up traits that prevent "normal" bourgeois economic processes from taking off properly
Bottom line: Unless Trump directly confirm that he will raise the nationwide minimum wage rate then wages are not rising, stop twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to say otherwise
>>2185457It is very ironic for that glownonymous to bring up data about "rising wages" to suggest that Trump's tariffs will bring about an increase average wage rate because these are the exact same data sheets pulled by the Dems and the Biden admin specifically to gaslight people into thinking that the recession was just vibes lol
>What recession are you talking about? Look at these charts!!!Of course wages will always be rising if you discount the ranks of the underemployed and seasonally employed and those employed in the informal economy which increasing dominates the capitalist system. The workers are not deceived by projection of a good economy by Biden and they will not be deceived by Trump
>>2185506I mean, not how it's spelled but how it's pronounced regionally. it's different, no?
Or have i just been also pronouncing his name wrong all these years?
>>2185527Oops,
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nadirShows how it's pronounced in different languages.
>>2185525Okay. I've always uysed the 'british' version of how i'd say it for anyone from West Asia or in Europe of West Asian descent but would use the American to pronounce Ralph Nader.
It's probably why i never clocked and always had him in my mind as like a 'true blue' right-liberterianism-esque 'my family is from scotland!' apple pie whihte american.
>>2185679Most of the time he's just talking to the reporters and ignoring the Irish guy and he's just going on and on
>the Irish are fucking us>they're fucking us over so hard>I don't blame this guy>I respect it>but I won't allow them to keep screwing us<Mr. mr mr.. president… iff I could get a word in.. We don't want to fuck over America, we can work together, our countries are now investing in AmericaTrump interjects
>yeah well I'll trade you them for our companies back.kek. He literally said that. Just interjecting snippy remarks.
>>2185602I don’t think that’s correct.
>>2185605Disagree, I think that ultimately market signals can make a great resource for identifying areas of individual over-performance but ultimately need to keep a democratic footing. E.G. markets are extremely capable of weeding out the chaff when everyone is starting at the same point.
>>2185614To analyze the PDF:
>growth inequality and mobilityLow GDP growth is not necessarily a bad thing, for example we’re concerned more about overconsumption in the modern day, this has effects on average growth. Additionally inflation was much higher in many of their measured periods.
I fully agree with their concerns about wealth inequality and mobility and I did mention that is where I believe we’ve failed.
>wages and human capitalI would disagree education in the modern system is good yes, I think college is a bubble that entices people to try and purchase themselves jobs while also trying to gatekeep education for the middle and upper class, and that it is slow to adapt education practices due to these issues. I think society should rethink educations place in the modern economy.
For the economic and mobility considerations outlined, I agree tax policy and wealth inequality contribute, again a level playing field is better for noise to signal in these instances.
>markets and racial inequalityDon’t really care to analyze this too deeply, markets are racist in the sense I think that there are 2 billion people in Asia representing something like 20% of the global market while there are 400mm in the U.S. representing 50% of the global market. Why and how can be debated but this is like debating warfare almost I think, a sad reality of life that nobody really wants to take responsibility for.
>the financial sector and economic growthHis part on instability in the markets is wrong, crashes and unstable financial conditions are much farther apart than before, volatility is overall lower.
De-regulation again I believe is not one size fits all same as regulation, agree with them it can be poorly implemented to detriment.
Cost per unit in the financial sector is a horrible metric really if you’re viewing the financial sector as shareholder management, which it is. There’s plenty of room for data management to grow and take up more cost to better manage businesses, especially in economies with automation present.
>antitrust and growthThis section is complete fucking baloney, low rates do not imply low returns, they imply cheap debt which incentivizes firms to leverage their returns. You don’t need to invest more in a business just because rates are low and profits are high, the risk of eroding your own market is real and you can just as easily borrow money to boost returns knowing the public will borrow to buy your goods increasing your profits anyway. Additionally I think the whole schtick of “competitive capitalism” can be seen as a subsidy for the consumer anyway, why are monopolies good when they’re state ran but horrible if they’re privately ran?
In my own conclusion, you can basically say both public and private systems are dogshit if 1% of the population owns them both. Greed is good as long as you don’t profit from it.
>>2185618I’d bet my left nut you retards defend nazbols
>>2185668>neoliberals are fundamentally anti-socialistAgain my post was literally I feel that is very stringent definitions I don’t necessarily subscribe to. What’s the easiest way to explain soc dems have shitty economies that fall into state monopolies on natural resources more often than not and completely neglect service sector and R&D, and that neoliberals are supplementing the failures of democracy by just installing inherently fascist corporations in place of government?
>>2185673No idea what those are, certainly open to learn but just playing the cards I got in hand chief. I care far more about learning the machinations of the markets than I do about narrowing my ideology down.
>>2185706Lol, you sure love to become a Monsanto need in human form.
Get your DNA mutated so Pfizer can squash as much capital from your obsolete carbon-based hardware before your entity is transferred to a silicone vessel.
>>2185775>overconsumption and overproduction are not a current problemTrillions of dollars of ESG seem to disagree
>Crisis are inherent in market economies as 2008 showed?Sure, and why is that bad? I would rather the economy is upfront personally about poor investments and restructuring needed, as compared to my entire country rising up to kill each other because the central planners fucked up.
>low growth rates and low profitabilityYou’re contradicting your own PDF then as your PDF is claiming the problem is high profitability with low growth Kek. Anyway we’ve been in a low growth regime since 2008 yes, arguably ending with the rate hikes in 2021. How is that a bad thing again if the markets correcting for American overconsumption? Wouldn’t this fix your racist market problem if China is growing their own market in proportion to their size?
>>2185797>if you’re suggesting your political systems can navigate crisis scenarios without lossNo one here is suggesting that LOSER. All crisis scenarios are going to require resources to deal with (loss). Unless you can reverse entropy, there will always be loss. However, the people here are merely suggesting systems that reduce both the amount of loss and crisis scenarios that society as a whole may face.
>>2185807What do you mean by this?
>>2185808>reduce the amount of loss and crisis scenarios as a wholeOk and how does capitalism not do this? Certainly since instituting modern capitalism under the federal reserve system we’ve reduced the volatility of currency and goods tenfold.
>what are you asking hereYeah explain to me exactly your view here, what’s an intrinsic vs external crisis, which one is 2008, and how is it different to prior communist crises
>>2185811So nobody paying mortgages is a crisis specific to capitalism, then farmers lying to the central planner about crop yields causing mass starvation is a crisis specific to communism, yeah like I said I’ll take market economies and price signals over my country randomly erupting into violent protest thanks.
>>2185817Fair enough, capitalism has not solved all crises, only the majority of crises that non market economies fall to.
It’s to my understanding even modern communist countries pay a mortgage and have markets, it’s simply the source and distribution of the money that often times is considered socialist or communist in nature.
RFK Jr. has been giving interviews lately including a surreal quasi-advertisement for Steak & Shake™ and answered questions about the measles outbreak in West Texas. He said people should maybe consider vaccinations but that's a personal choice and BTW did you know that vaccine injuries are more common than known? (Contrary to extensive research.) Oh, and natural immunity to measles gained through exposure helps ward off heart disease. (He apparently just made that up.) But people who are at risk are really not eating and exercising right and the outbreak is in West Texas and they don't have good food there (there's no evidence the kid who died was unhealthy or not eating right or that getting the measles works that way).
Is RFK Jr. as head of HHS announcing a federal program to end food deserts and provide resources for nutrition and exercise to all, regardless of ability to pay, to end the scourge of infectious disease? No.
No, on the contrary, the neoliberal credo expressed by RFK Jr. and so much of crunchy quack "wellness" and antivax/alternative health movement boils down to this: if you get sick it's your fault, unless you got vaccinated, in which case it's the vaccine's fault. It's all about shame and blame on the individual level. Diseases, including the non-infectious ones, are never something society is supposed to take any measures to control. We shouldn't vaccinate people to protect the whole population. We shouldn't encourage people to wear masks to protect more vulnerable people. Nor should the government encourage healthy eating habits (and legitimate ones, not fad diets or organic food or anything else that doesn't work.) Blame ghosts, witchcraft, and seek alternatives in energy healing. That will make at least one segment of society healthy and righteous. (Although diseases don't work that way.)
>>2185839The collapse of the world reserve currency and its subsequent patching and reinflating with tax dollars is something that only happened once too.
Anyway, to the main point causing this I think, I’m not too concerned with what rigid political beliefs I should be considered again, I mostly just care about the same data as the left seemingly with wealth inequality and privitization issues, but want to prescribe solutions that don’t fit conventionally into the lefts rhetoric. I don’t think it’s dumb of me to think so and am just trying to explain that in good faith.
>>2185905A forward is a market. You move speculation and volatility away from producers and onto speculators.
>>2185906Depends on what you consider a crisis 1, and 2 as I was arguing that’s not necessarily a bad thing, facing your problems in a timely matter is better than sweeping them under the rug necessarily, crisis can be considered a profitable event many times under capitalism, presuming its genuine and not engineered. For point 1, if we only consider mass famines and political instability for example then US capitalism has not faced a crisis in 80 years or maybe more.
>>2185726Im a proud heretic of the new sponsor state religion.
Show me your new cross/mask, sheep.
I'm sure you are proud of participating in the biggest transfer of wealth from the working class to the elite.
I can't wait to torture you with scat showers once the Smart Grids and 6G takes away what little keft you have of free will.
>>2185910Communist planned economies didn't have economic cycles. Neither, it should be noted, did feudalism or any other economic system other than capitalism. The cycle of regular collapse and crisis is a feature unique to capitalism because it is a uniquely contradictory system, an ouroboros eating its own tail. Most economic systems require for there to some sort of physical problem. Capitalism has the unique ability to fuck up by itself with no physical cause.
Every crisis of communism was cause by some physical problem (for instance, a drought), it did not have economic cycles that it avoided by pushing it under the rug, whatever that means.
>>2185925I didn’t say they did, I said since instituting modern market capitalism with public entity support via the federal reserve we’ve reduced the volatility of currency and goods tenfold.
>>2185939>the cycle of regular collapse and crisis is unique to capitalism>every crisis in communism was based on physical problems (like droughts)555-comeonnow, drought is literally a reoccurring cyclical problem. And how exactly for my main thesis to this is lying about crop yields not sweeping them under the rug? Yeah I agree the problems don’t look the exact same that’s the point, I’d rather deal with people not paying their mortgage than mr commissary lying about giving me full rations.
>>2185947>cyclical economic cycles are a feature>violent and inefficient regimes are an outlierWhy bother looking at the minutia of communism if we’re going to glaze over the minutia of capitalism?
>>2185964The Soviet Union was far more efficient and advanced and was less brutally violent than the preceding Tsarist regime. Its worse aspects were usually continuations of the previous regime's policies. You may not like that, but it's a fact.
It's much the same with warlord and Republican China. The communist regime in Beijing has had its mistakes, but surpassed its preceding regimes by an insane margin and is now one of the biggest economic success stories of any previously colonized nation, or any nation, for that matter.
Any success of capitalism is largely due to the centuries of imperialism that bolstered the Western nations partaking in conquest and subsequent domestic development. The prized stability of the US economy comes from its dominant geopolitical position rather than the inherent superiority of the Anglo-American capitalist economic model. The current model is fucking inefficient as fuck to where you need to blow trillions of dollars on Silicon Valley for very shitty returns, on an industry that has probably delivered a net negative to the United States. It's clearly not working anymore, or at least not at a sustainable level.
>>2185235Liberals have turned into the old NAZCENTBOL GANG meme to a t.
Red caps aren't nazbols though they are just naz with american characteristics.
>>2185990No doubt all the BRICS economies rely on markets to a big degree, but the fundamental model is different between China and the US. Economic development in China since Deng opened the country up has been guided as much as possible by the central government. But that's not really unique in East Asia, where most countries in the region have adopted a policy of heavy government intervention to achieve widespread industrialization and maximize exports. Most Americans would call Japan communist if they really knew how postwar Japan developed.
>they have mortgages, trade equities, and have banksMixed economies exist, yup.
>I think theres further developments to be made in adding the assets of capitalism to new political frameworks and economies as wellThe "assets of capitalism" are already deployed in political frameworks and economies and are owned by capitalists who already run those political frameworks and economies. I don't really get this sentence mang.
Actually I don't know what you're trying to argue. That capitalism is a better system overall? It's a useless debate. What leftists want to argue about is what comes after capitalism. The main reason why capitalism can be efficient is when markets can detect or dictate trends faster than central oversight. What happens when new tech like AI can do that faster than the markets?
>>2186013>Hey I made that meme.Very nice! I've had it saved since then. It's the best of the nazcentbol memes.
>I was trying to do a centrist Starship Troopers thing.Yeah that comes across perfectly. Look at my filename
>>2186016I agree the fundamental model is unique, and I agree it can be beneficial that their model is unique. You're explicitly claiming in your argument that market economies have run their course and you think AI can do what markets do better, again proliferating the idea that market capitalism has verifiable downsides that are quantified and solved in your mind, I don’t think that’s true and is what I’m trying to get across with that sentence. My initial argument was that some aspects are neoliberalism are correct and beneficial to societies development.
>The main reason why capitalism can be efficient is when markets can detect or dictate trends faster than central oversight. I don’t believe that to be entirely true, much of the usefulness of markets are twofold in allocating resources beneficially and to pricing economic outputs appropriately. These are both feedback reinforcing where pricing more accurately benefits you with more resources to allocate. As these are choices I think AI would simply rather be another voice in the market with its own resources it wants to allocate at its own prices it thinks correct, I don’t see why choice is something you want to hand over to a machine.
>>2185066>That being said, because liberals are weak and cowardly then they would never do such a thing and the military in the US are robots who get used by whoever is in the Oval OfficeAre you sure?
I still think the CIA did JFK and they constitute the true "praetorian guard" that will just execute the executive if he steps out of line.
>>2185964>cyclical economic cycles are a featureYes, every economist will agree with this.
>violent and inefficient regimes are an outlierNot an outlier as such, but large scale violence in communist regimes is rarely endemic, but typically happens in their periods of early establishment and consolidation. Their social contradictions are less intense which in turn necessitates less violence and bloodshed to keep them in power. Just as an example, the largest instance of deliberate mass killing in the Eastern Bloc post WW2 was probably the suppression of the Hungarian counterrevolution of 1956, in which around 5000 people were killed in a campaign that lasted about two months. This figure includes both civilians and insurgents. The largest in the immediate US sphere of influence in the postwar era was the Guatemalan Genocide, in which 200,000 civilians were killed in a campaign that lasted decades.
>>2186116These are not violent revolutions, just war. Both ideologies commit war yes. We were discussing preferring which style of consumptive hardship we like facing, not which style of war we dislike.
>>2186123>laughs in pol potIn the 5 square kilometers in northeast Alaska I’m thinking about nothing bad has ever happened since post war, therefore capitalism good
>>2186130The USSR had a central bank in the 1920’s before US hegemony kicked in.
>>2185964Uphold and entertain destiny thought
>>2185999>>2186077What you think about trump liquidating your treasury and monthly compounding real wage increases driving down your livelyhood
>>2186197Look mom I can do it too:
You bring no data. You just disagree and continually reassert that you are correct. It is really sad. I see no abillity for you to understand. Classic salty-boi ignorance. Where is your superior data? You have no data. Where is your theory? You have no theory.
>>2186201Look here the data
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/realer.nr0.htmReal wage up. necessary articles of consumption for proletarian cheaper which debunk MSM Forbes Theory of tariff raising prices (for proletarians.) Capital fall in proportion to real wage increase. We call this bourgeois inflation where prices go up for capitalist but down for producer. Your suffering is valid but necessary
>>2186209>From February 2024 to February 2025, real average hourly earnings increased 1.4 percent, seasonally
adjusted. The change in real average hourly earnings combined with a decrease of 0.3 percent in the
average workweek resulted in a 1.1-percent increase in real average weekly earnings over this period.
>>2186209also i'm really not sure what this has to do with tariffs
trump was put in office on jan 20, so this only covers literally the first ten days.
>>2186209Look here the data:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS15000000Unworking proles up. Real wages ignoring the increase of unworking mouths to feed. Household income down which debunk glowanons theory of real wages being a perfect data series. We call this internet troll ownage where your garbage spam is countered. Your suffering is valid but necessary.
>>2186000Yeah I should have just gone with Democrats as NAZCENTBOL GANG. They want people to think Republicans are NAZBOL GANG though.
Of course now apparently some Democrats just want to solely be the party of the Cheney family. What a horrible political system we have.
>>2186280https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIONo. Why are you afraid? Real wage rises with surplus population good because system fail. Absolute enrichment of proletariat expressed as rise in real wage.
>>2186299Use median real wage because your bourgeois metrics mean nothing.
>household income Bourgeois sources of revenue included. Not value per producer
>>2186180there is still a chance, it just requires us to stop sitting around waiting for someone to save us.
it's not going to happen.
we have to save ourselves. revolution will only happen if we MAKE it happen.
>>2186335>absolute enrichment of proletariat prescribed as real wageAgain the costs of inflation rise in proportion to a households consumption, not its wage
> Bourgeois sources of revenue included. Not value per producer1. Just take median household income 2. Proles don’t own equity, more like it accurately reflects tax burden (or lightening)
>>2186335Basing whether or not something is good for the proletariat off of whether wages rise or fall is bourgeois nonsense
The LARP is up, you are bourgeois even by your own metrics. The proletariat doesn’t care about being able to indulge in increased rates of commodity exchange, you are judging off a bourgeois metri
You’re a socdem and an imperialist shill, you scare proletariat away
>>2185982>song about how American is a reactionary, imperialist, tyrannical nationbased!
>song about how the American people are inherently reactionary, imperialist, and tyrannicalok I get the sentiment, but …
>also they're DEGENERATES (flashes nazi propaganda on the screen)what is this weird mixture of communist aesthetics and reactionary dehumanization that features in so much agitprop? Be ruthless to the system and kind to the people. Is that so hard?
>>2186142>These are not violent revolutions, just wardid the USSR or PRC ever do this?
in b4 umm umm they would have if they could have because umm umm umm
>>2186637>claimed Israel is “playing the U.S. like a cheap fiddle” Way to show him!
How long can they be this barefaced with it?
>>2186691Again says who? Plenty of sources will compare communism to the ideals of equality. Certainly many sources will also back up profit is merely an intermediary for higher values in capitalism as well. Certainly we can sling back and forth people positing one view or another on how they feel about it core ideals of a philosophy.
>>2186692I don’t believe so, you want to talk about retarded shit like what the “ideals” you feel of a political alignment are and we are doing that. How is it not contradiction to say “communism is not devoted to anything!” And then “oh well it’s just not devoted to THAT”. Don’t blame me for you wanting to get into the weeds with innately abstract ideals and philosophies of how capitalism is idealistic
>>2186689Like I said, I doubt rich people are actually losing money because they’re the ones who can afford good financial advisers who know when there’s an inflated bubble, they’re the first to advise to sell, not your average day trader who just holds on way too long.
>>2186690I’m not interested in what’s causing the downturn but what it means for the economy which I think it means nothing. It’s rich people who make their money off of the asset economy and the asset economy overall is hugely inflated and means not much for regular folks in the real economy.
>>2186704>>2186706Also
>financial advisor who knows when there is a bubble and is the first to sellTelling people to sell into historic tech valuations, which have consistently continued is suicide, even all the hedge fund analysts at PB’s didn’t turn bearish until late Jan into the Trump presidency. It’s my head canon that markets didn’t seriously consider the impact of trumps economic plan and are now rushing to price in this retardation going up against a fed scared to death of inflation
>>2186713We’re not dealing with your feelings here either though. My answer depends entirely on your personal consideration of what an ideal is and what a thought leader can be considered and how stringent those terms are.
You’re telling me communism has no ideals and capitalism does. Adam smith distinctly mentioned certain profits were bad for society, so no under his view capitalism does not have profits as an ideal. Under shareholder capitalism and its proponents in the 1970’s and earlier, profits are considered the only ideal.
>>2186717she's right you know. Watch it get shortened to "pal" after a while… actually that kinda gives me hope because "pal" means friend. It's kinda hard to turn Palestinian into a slur. The default word is too long and unwieldy, and shortening it just sounds like you're calling someone a friend.
Allah has awakened the people, and helped them to see the evildoings of Israel and the Divided $nakkkes.
>>2186719Going "no u" doesn't answer the question, retard.
>My answer depends entirely on your personal consideration of what an ideal iIt's a simple question with a simple yes or no answer. Don't give me your bullshit here about you not knowing what the word ideal means lmao
>>21867255 little honkoids jumpin on the bed
one fell off and bumped his head
momma called the doctor and the doctor said
"No more honkoids jumpin on the bed!"
>>2186724>It's a simple question with a simple yes or no answer. Don't give me your bullshit here about you not knowing what the word ideal means lmaoI mean there’s nothing to talk about then, you’re unwilling to narrow down your definition's and terms and I’m unwilling to make definitive detentions on something that is ultimately up to interpretation. The very definition of ideal is one’s conception, there’s multiple individuals interpretations of capitalism and communism and your request is extremely disingenuous.
>anon give me an answer>ok I say no since Adam smith says no>well heh *basedjak face* it says here in ford vs dodge actually legally capitalism is only about profitI’m not interested in having dogshit arguments to fulfill your ego.
>>2186738>I mean there’s nothing to talk about thenWe aren't here in a debate. You are supposed to answer a question which you can't do because you know you're just talking complete and utter nonsense
>I’m not interested in having dogshit arguments to fulfill your ego.Again. Going "no u" isn't answering a simple question I asked you now multiple times and which you refuse to answer.
>>2186740Congrats on using google but answer the question instead of contradicting yourself constantly. Or do you also need a definition on what the word "yes" or "no" mean?
>>2186868He’s the embodiment of democrat cringe.
Incredibly unlikeable but also gay for some reason.
>>2186773He’s restocking on brainworms to make sure he does his job right
🫡
>>2186956I am feeling things that should not be said on the internet.
But I recommend buying a gun for self defense. They are going to throw people in a concentration camp for any bullshit reason.
>>2186773Im a Trump and RFKJ supporter. I have come from 4chan (i promise Ill behave, i know how trigger happy mods are) I am disappointed in the people i voted for. I support Massie over Trump. I also support Palestinians over Israel since I would also fight back in their shoes. I don't regret voting for Trump but the clown show of american politics is being stuck between a rock and another rock. I therefore CONSNEED to the communists and agree that electoralism is bullshit. I KNEEL before communists that warned me nothing will change. I Hereby declare revolutionary support for communists as long as my 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A and 5A rights are protected in a proletarian dictatorship.
Bobby, if this is real and not a prank I am really disappointed with you. How the hell is eating raw meat good for you? Like what if this kills you man? I need you to fight against big pharma not do this stupid shit. Not even my dog eats raw meat. My dog eats cooked meat like everybody else. Really Bobby. This is sad.
>>2186868Pete Booty Glow
You know, it's funny how wildly democrats misunderstand voter appeal. Like they think that Pete's military career is somehow going to offset or negate the fact that he's gay married. They think they will win over the moderate republicans this way, even though GOP voters only give a shit about military service insofar as they can run up the score for someone who's already on their side. Among all the other things wrong with him, I think this tidbit reveals a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of voting dynamics in the country.
>>2187059It seems that way lately to me too.
I’m obnoxious af and they haven’t banned me once yet this year.
>>2187088>The constant need to affirm your own masculinity is genuinely pathologic.THE MASK OF MASCULINITY
IS THE MASK THAT'S WEARING ME
>>2187101Sell what?
I'm fucking poor, they won't even take my blood
>>2187088I think there’s an old quote from CS Lewis that goes something like “men without masculine role models will take the symbols of masculinity” which is to say; they’ll smoke pipes, or drink whiskey, or get into fights, or steal any of the outwardly facing aesthetics of being masculine. They don’t do this for the reasons their fathers did—enjoyment of tobacco, for example—but because they’ve got some impression that this is what men are “supposed” to do.
As it stands today, there’s not much in the way of masculine influences for young men. So what’s picking up the slack is a cottage industry of grifters who can only get attention and compete by trying to come up with the most absurd claims for being the most “masculine” and since their audience is looking for someone to help them feel like “real men” they won’t accept much in the way of quiet worldly wisdom, but the gaudy, the obscene, the grotesque. Because they don’t know what masculinity looks like beyond a series of outward facing totems.
>>2187129Thats ground beef, properly sanitized and added with spices to be put on bread.
The chuddies are taking a raw steak and munching on it, ready to get some parasites and shit.
>>2186813What's wrong with not cooking it? It's delicious raw. Americans don't know what they're missing out on because they're think that muscles can have parasites(don't at me, about how akshually there is such a thing, have you ever seen one?) It's fucking fish that has all the parasite. You're not going to get anything from eating a solid cut of beef muscle and fat.
>>2187135>Thats ground beef, properly sanitized and added with spices to be put on bread. Beef is already sanitary. As long as it's fresh, there is nothing to worry about. If you are worried just get frozen beef. That's how they kill the parasites in sushi too is they have to, by law, freeze it first before serving it so to kill all the parasites. You can freak about the eggs in the same way, but of course, those are just unsanitized raw eggs, if they have salmonella, they have salmonella, just if you're getting quality food, you don't have to worry about that shit.
>>2187145Predators eat ever last scrap of meat on the cow. Organs and all that are different from leg muscles etc. Lol if you go and google it.
>Steak give you tape worm<Where do tape worms live?>In the intestines<What is a steak?>not intestinesThat's how dumb people are about this shit.
>>2187157Why are they scared of eating bugs then? Shouldn't eating some raw maggots Bear Gryllz style get even more attention? And thats even more grug mode.
On a scale of grug, random insects picked up from the forest floor is atleast two grug points higher than raw steaks.
>>2187133>non-specific event prediction*yawn*
Add detail or fuck off, Qfag. This isn't /pol/
>>2187161Since you mentioned TJ's Ground Beef, figure I'd say I always go for the refrigerated grassfed kind.
Fuck it, if any anons want a really good Burger recipe, what I do is:
>Get the Grassfed Ground Beed, 85%/15%>Throw it in a bowl, splash a bit of Worcestershire Sauce, Salt, and Pepper on it>Dice up Red Onions and throw it in there, along with maybe some minced garlic>1/4 cup beer (usually Bitburger or Heninger)>Cook to Medium Rare with Pepperjack Cheese on top>Serve on a Brioche Bun, lightly toasted with Irish butter>Add Trader Joe's Magnifisauce as a condiment on top>Throw on some strips of bacon>Lettuce, Tomato, etcIt's important to make sure the beef soaks up the beer beforehand. Like fully absorbs it. Adds a lot to the flavor. Also sometimes I use 21 seasoning salute when seasoning it, too.
>>2187152predators have tapeworms retard
Adult tapeworms are intestinal but tapeworm larvae live in muscle tissue
Imagine using Silicon Valley Google AI as your source instead of socialist AIs
>>2187235Man I already hate the 40 hour work week.
I just wish I could make vidya and study politics, but at this rate I'll be taking phone calls from petty-bourgeois idiots for the rest of my life.
>>2187243Cooking is such a huge joy. Honestly we need to make Socialist community barbeques a thing. I've got this one thing I've done a couple time which are, like, spicy rum-marinated Shrimp.
>>2187257I think executives have an extremely loose conception of work, at least for them. There was something I heard ages ago about the collapse of Blockbuster, and one of the franchise owners was hugely successful even as the company was going under, he was making tons of money, and he kept writing letters to their corporate suite like "Hey, this is how I think we can turn the company around." Finally after a year or so of writing messages with no response, the CEO said he was going to fly out to Alaska, I believe, and wanted to discuss business with the guy. The guy shows up, and he's eager to come up with all these ideas, only for the CEO to look annoyed when he talks, kind of waves him off, rolls his eyes. Eventually they land and the franchise owner goes back to his friends all.
>"I don't get it, he said he wanted to talk business, but he was annoyed at everything I had to say!"To which his friend basically pointed out that the only reason he was invited along to "talk business" was because the CEO wanted to go on a fishing trip, and if he brought this franchise owner on his plane, he could write off the whole trip as a business expense.
So I don't think they can even conceive of "working hours" as proles do. I think to them they say "120 hour work weeks" and they're thinking maybe talking to someone for an hour and spending 8 hours golfing is "work". Then they go to restaurants and enjoy nice meals, and that's another couple of hours of "work".
>>21871291 fuck the imperialist French
2 it's not inherently loaded with parasites and disease but it has to be handled more carefully than most meat is
>>2187257>>2187276They live entirely different lives than we do.
https://www.hrgrapevine.com/us/content/article/2025-03-05-ex-amazon-exec-warns-of-c-suite-disconnect-on-remote-work-policy>"As a retired Amazon VP who experienced a 9,082% increase in Amazon stock during my time, I am out of touch with many common life struggles,” he wrote on X. “The SVPs and CEOs above me are often more so.”>Evans said many senior executives have access to private jets, personal assistants, and full-time household staff, allowing them to dedicate nearly all their time to their professional lives.>"No need to commute, your driver takes you door to door while you work in the back. No need to hurry home to pick up the kids, the PA does it. No need to shop, clean, or cook, the staff does it all,” he wrote.They also have whatever uppers they want to stay up for as long as they want and whatever downers they need to fall asleep whenever they want to.
>>2187280Unironically I think the best thing a lot of socialists on their own can do now is local community action. Maybe not in the sense of, like, "mutual aid" but just being the sun that your community orbits around. Can do a lot of good.
>>2187335Found out recently that some white collar jobs offer "night nannies" as a perk to working mothers; as in, a woman whose job it is to check on your infant if they're crying, nurse them, etc. So you can have a good night's sleep.
The rich are shockingly out of touch.
>>2187351Communist China has decided they no longer want amerikkkan beef. This good because america proletariat will have more beef supply.
>>2187374You falling for democrat tricknology. Snap out of it. You have no way knowing our condition. You cant trust democrat to speak for us. Proletarian can afford beef. It just dont go to china. They dont need it. They decided we need it more
>>2187134>They don’t do this for the reasons their fathers did—enjoyment of tobacco, for example—but because they’ve got some impression that this is what men are “supposed” to do.I've noticed that none of these men seem to genuinely enjoy anything, all of their hobbies and outward presentation is directed towards impressing other, presumably straight, men. They never allow themselves to explore anything outside of "traditionally masculine" pursuits—I've genuinely been told by these types that reading is gay. I guess if I believed that masculinity or my status as a male was something that could be taken away from me at any moment from a constantly watching outside party (other men), I'd be neurotic, too.
I fluctuate on how I feel about these young men, knowing that their insecurities are being taken advantage of and feeling sympathetic towards that while almost knowing that quite a few of them are some of the dumbest and most hateful people alive over something that genuinely doesn't matter.
Fake news. China in trade war with canada, hand in hand with america. China tariff canada beef. Communist China not shifting to other countries. Communist China cancel cancel beef contracts in brazil and others last month. Advanced Communist system raise it own beef. Communist China know to depend capitalist to supply food is to starve
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/chinas-customs-suspends-import-beef-products-brazil-argentina-uruguay-2025-03-03/End export of all food mr trump. Keep shrinking rancher market and bringing down prices
>>2187388I certainly don't feel bourgeois. I'm still taking calls all day.
But I guess I should be happy with what I have now, I suppose it could be worse. No need to be a whiny bastard.
>>2187621It's honestly amazing how the Democratic Party has destroyed itself because they refuse to say anything that might mean the poor would expect something of them.
Like they desperately want to be the party of the "enlightened elite" and as such would not appeal to the wants and needs of the lower class.
Now some, led by the Third Way, want the party to embrace a more polite version of Trumpism, but I guess appealing to the lower classes with war and savagery is preferable to having to improve the economy or the climate.
>>2187623Mfer got lost in the sauce like 2 sentences in. Trying to write I'm14AndThisIsDeep level prose, to full schizo.
He's right about Candace obviously, but he's washed to even the people who used to like him
>>2186956Wow, we literally are getting laws passed based entirely on internet trolls gas-lighting a bunch of boomers into believing in a hoax.
Conservatives and reactionaries truly are the most gullible and idiotic people.
>>2185031the USA economy relies on manufactured goods being sold back to it for cheap from the periphery/semi-periphery.
This is unsustainable and USA planners have been cognizant of this for a long time. The capitalists have two options to escape this mess, industrial policy and/or tariffs. Biden tried industrial policy with the CHIPS act. Now Trump is trying tariffs.
Trump is not trying to crash the economy. It is just a side effect of the actions the bourgeoisie state has to take to counter crisis. The material situation of the United States, REQUIRE Tariffs. The bourgeoisie do not care about the stock market, it's irrelevant to them.
Tariffs are an attempt to onshore domestic manufacturing, as part of an attempt to stave off the capitalist crisis, but also as to help prepare for the inevitable 3rd industrial war.
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