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There is a disease infecting the "left" in America, such as it is.

A disease of passivity.

No one will act, and by this I mean do anything besides pointless chanting and marching because they have not reached some undefined, arbitrary (and constantly shifting, in order to provide them with unlimited excuses) threshold of popular support that will, they think, magically flip a switch and allow them to do something. No change in circumstances will spur them to action. Even as their erstwhile comrades and immigrants are openly rounded up and thrown into for-profit concentration camps to be tortured and deported, the American "left", such as it is, sits on its hands and not only does nothing, but tells everyone else to do the same. Even as they watch the general public cheer and applaud the random murder of a CEO, they still believe that doing anything would be the greatest sin possible and doom their already insignificant movement to destruction. The greatest crime anyone can commit in the eyes of the western "left", such as it is, is so-called "adventurism", which is to say doing anything at all. They are so afraid of this "adventurism" that the quickest way to be ostracized from the American "left", such as it is, is to imply that anyone should DO anything.

Why has this sickness emerged? It is because the "left", such as it is, spends all their time reading theory but none of it reading history. Dialectical materialism is a tool which we use to analyze history, not a means to an end. Understanding dialectical materialism but not history is like a mechanic buying all their tools but loudly and boastfully refusing to ever work on a car for fear of getting their hands dirty. It is pointless, a waste of time, resources and energy. If anyone in the western "left" had genuine conviction in their beliefs, even a cursory reading of actual history would dissuade them of this cancerous strategy of "sit and do nothing." It takes only a basic understanding of history, analyzed through the lens of dialectical materialism, to understand why this strategy is doomed to fail.

This mindset of passivity is in error for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, it ignores the class composition and material conditions of America. The ancient tomes into which the western "left", such as it is, pours all it's time and attention, were written over 100 years ago in countries with wildly different material conditions to America and the west in general. Russia and China, the origins of most of the theory that the western "left" hyper focuses on, were still struggling to escape from the yoke of feudalism and suffering from deep, existential crises, both internal and external. Even then, the revolutionary movements only gained serious traction when the old order was either seriously diminished or outright destroyed by brutal foreign invaders. In the case of Russia, this was caused by the first world war, and in China, a series of western interventions, culminating in complete anarchy and a genocidal invasion from the Japanese imperialists. This means that the majority of the people were ruthlessly oppressed, both by their own government and by external forces. This gave the people a common cause and a rallying cry, which allowed the Communists (through hard work and lots of bloody struggle) to gain mass popular support.

In America, this is not the case. There is no external army here to shatter the state, and there never will be. The two oceans provide impenetrable insulation against invasion, to such an extent that a foreign invasion is not just farfetched, it is impossible. It would be easier to eat the sun than to move millions of troops and all their supplies across the vastness of the ocean to invade America. Even a basic understanding of military strategy and history would reveal this to be true. It simply cannot be done. Protected from foreign pressure, American capital has become a complete hegemon, able to loot the entire world at will and use the superprofits generated from imperialism both to prevent any dissent by buying off the otherwise restive sections of the proletariat and to build a state apparatus that maintains an iron grip on the populace through an inescapable surveillance and propaganda panopticon. There will be and can be no mass movement in America like there was in Russia and China until America, as in, the central government, is either seriously diminished or destroyed. Since that cannot happen through an external force, it must be done internally. ONLY Americans can destroy America, and America MUST be destroyed.

This mindset is also at complete odds with history. Every successful revolutionary organization started their armed cadres and began to wage war against the state before they had mass popular support. In fact, it was mostly through their dedicated campaigns against state power that they earned their support in the first place. To give an example, the first armed cadres of the CPC were formed when the party had fewer than 5000 members. The first combat groups of the Bolsheviks were created in 1902, and in the last 20 years of the Tsarist state, over 17,000 people died from so-called "terrorist" attacks even as the parties which would later start and lead the revolution were in their infancy, if they existed at all. It was largely through armed struggle, demonstrating a willingness to sacrifice everything, including their lives, that these groups were able to recruit new members. War and politics are not just related, they are the same thing. All acts of war are political acts, and vice versa. To quote one of the pillars of Leninism, Carl von Clausewitz:

>"We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses. That the tendencies and views of policy shall not be incompatible with these means, the Art of War in general and the Commander in each particular case may demand, and this claim is truly not a trifling one. But however powerfully this may react on political views in particular cases, still it must always be regarded as only a modification of them; for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception."


Thirdly, this mindset ignores the urgency which has emerged from our present epoch of history. For the first time, humanity, not just one individual nation, faces an existential threat through Capitalism-caused climate change. If we do not act now, we will be looking at a world that has been rendered unfit for human habitation. It may already be too late to save the planet, but every day we wait, the situation becomes worse. The very nature of capitalism means that any efforts that the system takes against climate change will be meaningless and intentionally ineffective. Any nation which tries to go against the capitalist world order and chart a different, more humane and ecologically sound path will be either starved to death or violently destroyed by the United States. Even America's vassals are forced to maximize their consumption to feed the fires of global capitalism, to wit, the vast expansions of NATOs military in response to the mere existence of China means that there will be a vast increase in carbon emissions, poisoning the world that much faster. This means, therefore, that to fight against climate change in any meaningful sense, we must fight against America.

Even setting aside climate change, which would be a foolish policy, the American system still sustains itself through blood. In the 30 years after the fall of the USSR, the United States has, at an absolute minimum, murdered 15 million innocent people through economic and physical warfare. You may be questioning how this number has emerged. At least 5 million excess deaths were caused by Capitalism in Russia alone from 1991-2001. Another 5 million have died since the 2001 "Global War on Terror". Before that, America callously starved to death over 1 million Iraqis through sanctions (really, siege warfare) and killed 1.5 million in Yugoslavia. This number is both incomplete and rising every single day. It can do nothing but, as the American economy is based around the endless sale of more arms. Even the farthest "left" of America's mainstream politicians openly advocate for the maintenance and expansion of this murderous system of oppression. America cannot be reformed, it cannot be remade into something more humane, America MUST be destroyed.

Since the class composition of America precludes the formation of a national front against the government and the geography of the country precludes any foreign invasion, this means that the crisis which weakens and destroys the American state can only come from within. Since climate change cannot be fought within the same system that caused it, we do not have time to wait for the ebb and flow of empire to eventually lead to America's implosion. We must act, and we must act NOW. America MUST be destroyed, the only possible alternative is human extinction.

The ONLY left wing policy, therefore, is to physically wage war against this system, by any means, and at any cost necessary. Facing the absolute certainty of extinction from Capitalism-caused climate change, we cannot hold our own lives so dear. It is better to die now, standing on our feet for even the remotest chance at a better future than to die later, choking and coughing as our planet becomes uninhabitable. If you would sit and do nothing in the face of your extinction, then you deserve to go extinct.
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>>2205311
you said adventurism was a slur for inactivism and i showed you lenin using the term and now you're just saying a bunch of unrelated stuff and making up a person to get mad at.

>>2205319
Lenin, who was actively operating a "terrorist" group, which you would have called "adventurist", at the time.

>>2205320
Good thing he had friends who were willing to start the revolution instead of sitting and doing nothing, then.

>>2205325
>which you would have called "adventurist", at the time.
yep making up a person to get mad at

>>2205325
Your ass is not Lenin

>>2205325
Bolsheviks weren't terrorists, a disciplined mass uprising is not terrorism.

Yanks are vermin that must be annihilated

>>2205429
"Terrorism" does not exist.

>>2205311
>The George Floyd uprisings also failed because inactivists like you refused to take the lead and start attacking the state in an organized fashion
That would have been based actually, but you're missing the point. Those riots weren't the actions of a tiny cadre of communist insurgents, but a mass uprising of angry proles who tied down significant security resources even though they weren't communists or revolutionaries. Even if we work towards your goal of forcing the US to devote more resources inwards rather than towards its empire, mass action is the key to this. This remains the case when when that action is not revolutionary. Giving up on mass politics for the sake of some ultra-violent "pure" revolutionary movement actually releases rather than increases the sort of pressure you claim to want to create.

>>2205461
The origin of the word terrorism is the French Revolution, specifically used to describe State terror. Recently it became a word to describe only the actions of the enemies of the State, rather than the actions of the State itself.

Terrorism is not needed for the revolution before or after. This is the anarchist take at least.

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>>2203509
>America MUST be destroyed, and you MUST destroy it.

>>2205557
yeah OP is just a trump admin plant trying to create probable cause to shut down the site

>>2204963
What about movements like the civil rights movement or the Black Panthers?
The State straight up killed Fred Hampton and MLK. What about the peasants in El Salvador and Guatemala who were simply trying to improve their lives? There were guerrillas yes, but the atrocities were commited mainly against the civilian population.
What is the response/solution to these cases? Fred Hamtpon wasnt adventurist

>>2204325
>not only that but higher wages and benefits are specifically what gives the working class free time to read theory
>read theory
>free time
The vast majority of people are not going to read let alone read theory in their spare time. I believe your overestimating how much people would care to read theory or organize when their treats are good.

>>2205704
All of those movements aimed to build mass politics and establish a social base, which OP is specifically calling a waste of time. There's also nothing adventurist about self defense like the Panthers were doing.

>>2205311
>Yes, I encourage every British "person" to suicide bomb something.
So you aren't serious and shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>2205797
But isn't building a mass social base what we want? If that's impossible right now, then what can we do? What is effective and at the same time doesn't make the State kill you?

>>2205814
>But isn't building a mass social base what we want?
Yes, but OP is telling us not to bother.
>If that's impossible right now, then what can we do?
It is possible, it's just a slow process that requires a lot of tedious and thankless work.

>>2205934
I mean impossible in the sense that it will be met with force. If you want to build a mass social base it seems to me it must be kept inactive while educating it and waiting for the moment to finally go all out. Which is a questionable tactic

>>2205797
You will never have majority support in America and you don't need it. Hezbollah only has about 20% of Lebanon behind them and they have accomplished more than every western leftist ever combined.

At best your strategy will.leave you with a handful of questionably dedicated followers who are ready to do nothing when capitalism-caused climate change and the escalation of American fascism means we must act urgently.

This is what you nerds fail to understand because it wasn't in the ancient tomes you hyper focus on. We do not have a generation to do this. We don't have fifty years to slowly build a movement the old fashioned way. Humanity is facing an existential threat and your only possible solution is to sit and read a book.

You may as well just give up and go over to the right, because by doing nothing you are helping them.

>>2205993
Is Lebanon socialist? Have they defeated Zionist aggression? Is America the same as Lebanon? You know absolutely nothing that you're talking about. You keep screaming at people to "do something" yet when people try doing something that isn't an immediate suicidal martyrdom you get pissy and call us Strasserites. Meanwhile you're sitting on your ass while there's a factory right where you live that produces weapons that you yourself have said is completely unguarded and you have yet to so much as sabotage it.

Yes, American imperialism will be dismantled, communism will be brought to these lands, but it will be done through mass action in spite of psychopaths like yourself and not because of it.

>>2205993
>Hezbollah only has about 20% of Lebanon behind them
20% of the population is still a mass movement. Its precisely their support from such a significant segment of the population that makes Hezbollah so resilient and effective.
>We do not have a generation to do this.
You understand that just saying this doesn't do away with the necessity of a strong political foundation right? A car won't drive without wheels, no matter how urgently you need to reach your destination. It's simply a matter of cold hard facts that you can never pose a serious threat to a government or the social forces it represents without a mass movement (which is not the same thing as a majority) behind you.

>>2205993
>you nerds don't understand, we don't have time, you're bad people, just go over to the right, by doing nothing you're helping them
are you… recruiting for them? Was this a recruitment attempt?

>>2206000
Lmao you will do nothing. Be honest with yourself for once. You will do nothing. You have no strategy, you just hyperfixate on ancient tomes written in epochs of history that ended before your parents were born. The world will burn around you and the scant remnants of the left will be thrown in camps and you will do nothing.

Stop lying to yourself.

>>2206006
How did Hezbollah earn that 20% of popular support? It was not by sitting and doing nothing. It was through taking up arms and actively fighting against the Zionists. Your strategy has no support and never will, because your strategy is doing nothing. No one will support nothing.

>>2206031
Still waiting for you to sabotage that factory by the way. You said yourself it's unguarded, what's stopping you?

>>2205993
>every western leftist ever combined.
lenin and stalin are western leftists tho

looking up on Tor right now "how to raid a police precinct" (minimum of 10 people suppot) (Deathless)

>>2205325
>Lenin, who was actively operating a "terrorist" group
READ UYGHA READ

>>2206031
>It was through taking up arms and actively fighting against the Zionists.
In part, but it was formed in 1982 during an Israeli occupation of Lebanon, obviously a situation where armed resistance is going to help generate popular support. However they did a lot more than just fight the Israelis, they also set up social services and basic public functions. They operate schools, fund infrastructure projects, resolve disputes, etc. All of this, including armed resistance to Zionism, was simply them locating the natural sites of social struggle between their chosen base (Lebanese Shias) and other forces, and intervening on the side of that base. The correctly located where the existing political energy was and worked to give it focus and direction. This *is* the strategy I'm proposing, but in the US there isn't nearly as much appetite for armed struggle (not that unarmed =/= nonviolent) amongst the people we're trying to reach, and the state we're fighting against is much stronger. In short, the conditions are different, and if we apply the recipe for Hezbollah's success to America (i.e. identify the organic sites of struggle between the working class and the bourgeoisie, intervene on behalf of the former, give the latent political energy structure and direction) then what would that look like? Well workers are struggling with low wages, so that means organizing workplaces. They're struggling with high housing costs, that means organizing tenant's unions. They're struggling to afford healthcare, that means fighting for socialized medicine. Just naming a few examples. In other words, in means doing all these things and waging all these struggles that OP declares to be useless, to be "Strasserist" etc.

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>>2205993
>Reactionary clerical terrorist organizations with bourgeois interests will help the working class and peasantry come into power

>>2206045
Hezbollah was a militia first. They make decisions in military terms, their social services exist to recruit and build a base for the army. But moreover, Hezbollah is trying to save the Lebanese state. We must be trying to destroy America and we don't have time.

>>2206070
>Hezbollah was a militia first
Yeah because they were formed in the context of an Israeli invasion of their country, meaning that armed resistance something that would gain them popular support. Do you think this is the case in America?

>>2206072
No, because the vast majority of Americans support this system despite realizing what it does. No action taken against it will ever have popular support. However, that can't matter. America MUST be destroyed. There is no other way to preserve human civilization.

This is the whole point. You are only focused on and only care about Americans, a tiny minority of the human population. You hyper focus on them and their needs despite the fact that they are diametrically opposed to the needs of 95% of humanity. Everything that is good for America is bad for humanity. America MUST be destroyed. There is a absolutely no other option.

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>>2203869
One of my Russian friends once compared these people to Navalny supporters.
>>2204360
>The great irony of the labour aristocracy thesis is that it was the height of the labour aristocracy which coincided with a high point of working class consciousness and militancy in the first world, shit like May 68, the BPP, anti-Vietnam war movement, RAF, and the Years of Lead, etc.
It's very interesting how proletarian organization against the Vietnam War has been utterly wiped from history while petit-bougeois academics and activists (Many of whom became Third-way liberals by the 1990s) became the face of the Left. In fact, the only time you hear of workers in histories of that era are the Hard Hat Riots. Kind of like this odd coincidence how Settlers (Which villifies the American labor movement as racists) came out at the same time as the Reagan Administration's attacks on organized labor.
>>2205449
It would have resulted in the declaration of martial law and the Proud Boys and other fascist goons would have been allowed to fire AR-15s into crowds of protestors. But go ahead and pick up the bait bricks.

>>2206106
>It would have resulted in the declaration of martial law and the Proud Boys and other fascist goons would have been allowed to fire AR-15s into crowds of protestors. But go ahead and pick up the bait bricks.


Good. That is the desired outcome. You should always escalate and force the state to overreact. That is how you build popular support. Even Gandhi and Martin Luther King would have agreed with that.

>>2206106
>It would have resulted in the declaration of martial law and the Proud Boys and other fascist goons would have been allowed to fire AR-15s into crowds of protestors.
and? the kent state shootings (and any equivelent example of state violence or the violence of state-enabled paramilitaries) is crucial to destablize society to "destroy" things like america and other similar projects, because if for example you're getting shot to death for simply protesting, that is going to inspire retributive riots is it not? and those riots are likely to face similar consequences, are they not? therefore you destablize these societies and make possible more radical action, it's simple logic really

I'm surprised with all this happenings about Tesla dealerships and stuff, no one has done anything to the Heritage Foundation's Headquarters depite everyone seemingly understanding that's the brainstem of all this. Not even a picket sign or strongly worded wheatpaste.

>>2206080
>No action taken against it will ever have popular support. However, that can't matter. America MUST be destroyed.
Okay well, then your position is incoherent. You can't destroy a government without enough popular support to both form a powerful opposition and fill the resulting power vacuum. Insisting that it MUST be destroyed and rambling about how evil it is does nothing to change the fact that if your assessment of the class character of American workers is true (it's not) then its a futile endeavor. No government ever in the history of the world has been brought down by a tiny handful of nobodies with no institutional power or popular support. This the epitome of impotent seething, which would be fine if you'd just keep it to yourself.

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>>2203509
>America MUST be destroyed

>>2206282
My analysis of American workers is indisputable and correct. Yet, we still have to destroy America. There is no other option. This is the hand that reality has dealt to us and so we must act with what we have, not what we want.

>>2206296

Except America is much worse than Klendathu.

>>2206270
Because drama brained Americans can't be motivated or understand the world by anything other than personalities and caricatures. Hence their understanding of russia is putin bad. Their understanding of the American far right is orange man and car man bad. Syria? Dentist man bad.

>>2206334
this. narcissistic bourgeois individualism as the basis of all analysis

>>2203742
>Shlomo Sand
isn't he like a post-zionist who served in the IDF and then felt sad when his unit did some My Lai shit in front of him. But he still thinks Israel should exist because geopolitical inertia? What gives?

Iron Felix, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sabotage all 52 power plants in South Dakota within the next year, using molotov cocktails. That is an achievable rate of 1 power plant per week. I recommend acting under cover at midnight. Use corked 0.75L bottles filled 2/3s with petrol. tie storm matches to the side. This will require only 52 glass bottles, 52 corks, and 52 half liters of petrol. Act swiftly. Waste no more time writing articles.

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>>2203509
Didn’t read, agree with the title, but why do people like you always stop at “America”, implicitly claiming capitalism would be okay without the mutt race polluting it?
Why should any prole, even American proles, die for the benefit of the bourgeoisie?

>>2203623
Revisionism is when you say material forces and classes make history instead of individual personalities and their personal conspiracies

>>2208020
Use corked 0.75L bottles filled 2/3s with petrol.
Use bigger bottles. add oil and a thickener.

>>2206031
Why do socialists worship anti-communist butchers of the proletariat like Hezbollah instead of any other group or faction you can think of?
How can you call anyone else a strasserite when you get hard for bitter enemies of the working class solely because you really are a sad cunt shot through with white guilt that cheerleads for populist reactoids so long as they fight other populist reactoids in between slaughtering proletarians?

>>2208201
>anti-communist butchers of the proletariat like Hezbollah
educate yourself chvd

>>2208201
Your masters' shekels is being wasted on here, nobody's gonna buy your hasbara


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