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There is a disease infecting the "left" in America, such as it is.

A disease of passivity.

No one will act, and by this I mean do anything besides pointless chanting and marching because they have not reached some undefined, arbitrary (and constantly shifting, in order to provide them with unlimited excuses) threshold of popular support that will, they think, magically flip a switch and allow them to do something. No change in circumstances will spur them to action. Even as their erstwhile comrades and immigrants are openly rounded up and thrown into for-profit concentration camps to be tortured and deported, the American "left", such as it is, sits on its hands and not only does nothing, but tells everyone else to do the same. Even as they watch the general public cheer and applaud the random murder of a CEO, they still believe that doing anything would be the greatest sin possible and doom their already insignificant movement to destruction. The greatest crime anyone can commit in the eyes of the western "left", such as it is, is so-called "adventurism", which is to say doing anything at all. They are so afraid of this "adventurism" that the quickest way to be ostracized from the American "left", such as it is, is to imply that anyone should DO anything.

Why has this sickness emerged? It is because the "left", such as it is, spends all their time reading theory but none of it reading history. Dialectical materialism is a tool which we use to analyze history, not a means to an end. Understanding dialectical materialism but not history is like a mechanic buying all their tools but loudly and boastfully refusing to ever work on a car for fear of getting their hands dirty. It is pointless, a waste of time, resources and energy. If anyone in the western "left" had genuine conviction in their beliefs, even a cursory reading of actual history would dissuade them of this cancerous strategy of "sit and do nothing." It takes only a basic understanding of history, analyzed through the lens of dialectical materialism, to understand why this strategy is doomed to fail.

This mindset of passivity is in error for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, it ignores the class composition and material conditions of America. The ancient tomes into which the western "left", such as it is, pours all it's time and attention, were written over 100 years ago in countries with wildly different material conditions to America and the west in general. Russia and China, the origins of most of the theory that the western "left" hyper focuses on, were still struggling to escape from the yoke of feudalism and suffering from deep, existential crises, both internal and external. Even then, the revolutionary movements only gained serious traction when the old order was either seriously diminished or outright destroyed by brutal foreign invaders. In the case of Russia, this was caused by the first world war, and in China, a series of western interventions, culminating in complete anarchy and a genocidal invasion from the Japanese imperialists. This means that the majority of the people were ruthlessly oppressed, both by their own government and by external forces. This gave the people a common cause and a rallying cry, which allowed the Communists (through hard work and lots of bloody struggle) to gain mass popular support.

In America, this is not the case. There is no external army here to shatter the state, and there never will be. The two oceans provide impenetrable insulation against invasion, to such an extent that a foreign invasion is not just farfetched, it is impossible. It would be easier to eat the sun than to move millions of troops and all their supplies across the vastness of the ocean to invade America. Even a basic understanding of military strategy and history would reveal this to be true. It simply cannot be done. Protected from foreign pressure, American capital has become a complete hegemon, able to loot the entire world at will and use the superprofits generated from imperialism both to prevent any dissent by buying off the otherwise restive sections of the proletariat and to build a state apparatus that maintains an iron grip on the populace through an inescapable surveillance and propaganda panopticon. There will be and can be no mass movement in America like there was in Russia and China until America, as in, the central government, is either seriously diminished or destroyed. Since that cannot happen through an external force, it must be done internally. ONLY Americans can destroy America, and America MUST be destroyed.

This mindset is also at complete odds with history. Every successful revolutionary organization started their armed cadres and began to wage war against the state before they had mass popular support. In fact, it was mostly through their dedicated campaigns against state power that they earned their support in the first place. To give an example, the first armed cadres of the CPC were formed when the party had fewer than 5000 members. The first combat groups of the Bolsheviks were created in 1902, and in the last 20 years of the Tsarist state, over 17,000 people died from so-called "terrorist" attacks even as the parties which would later start and lead the revolution were in their infancy, if they existed at all. It was largely through armed struggle, demonstrating a willingness to sacrifice everything, including their lives, that these groups were able to recruit new members. War and politics are not just related, they are the same thing. All acts of war are political acts, and vice versa. To quote one of the pillars of Leninism, Carl von Clausewitz:

>"We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses. That the tendencies and views of policy shall not be incompatible with these means, the Art of War in general and the Commander in each particular case may demand, and this claim is truly not a trifling one. But however powerfully this may react on political views in particular cases, still it must always be regarded as only a modification of them; for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception."


Thirdly, this mindset ignores the urgency which has emerged from our present epoch of history. For the first time, humanity, not just one individual nation, faces an existential threat through Capitalism-caused climate change. If we do not act now, we will be looking at a world that has been rendered unfit for human habitation. It may already be too late to save the planet, but every day we wait, the situation becomes worse. The very nature of capitalism means that any efforts that the system takes against climate change will be meaningless and intentionally ineffective. Any nation which tries to go against the capitalist world order and chart a different, more humane and ecologically sound path will be either starved to death or violently destroyed by the United States. Even America's vassals are forced to maximize their consumption to feed the fires of global capitalism, to wit, the vast expansions of NATOs military in response to the mere existence of China means that there will be a vast increase in carbon emissions, poisoning the world that much faster. This means, therefore, that to fight against climate change in any meaningful sense, we must fight against America.

Even setting aside climate change, which would be a foolish policy, the American system still sustains itself through blood. In the 30 years after the fall of the USSR, the United States has, at an absolute minimum, murdered 15 million innocent people through economic and physical warfare. You may be questioning how this number has emerged. At least 5 million excess deaths were caused by Capitalism in Russia alone from 1991-2001. Another 5 million have died since the 2001 "Global War on Terror". Before that, America callously starved to death over 1 million Iraqis through sanctions (really, siege warfare) and killed 1.5 million in Yugoslavia. This number is both incomplete and rising every single day. It can do nothing but, as the American economy is based around the endless sale of more arms. Even the farthest "left" of America's mainstream politicians openly advocate for the maintenance and expansion of this murderous system of oppression. America cannot be reformed, it cannot be remade into something more humane, America MUST be destroyed.

Since the class composition of America precludes the formation of a national front against the government and the geography of the country precludes any foreign invasion, this means that the crisis which weakens and destroys the American state can only come from within. Since climate change cannot be fought within the same system that caused it, we do not have time to wait for the ebb and flow of empire to eventually lead to America's implosion. We must act, and we must act NOW. America MUST be destroyed, the only possible alternative is human extinction.

The ONLY left wing policy, therefore, is to physically wage war against this system, by any means, and at any cost necessary. Facing the absolute certainty of extinction from Capitalism-caused climate change, we cannot hold our own lives so dear. It is better to die now, standing on our feet for even the remotest chance at a better future than to die later, choking and coughing as our planet becomes uninhabitable. If you would sit and do nothing in the face of your extinction, then you deserve to go extinct.

u kno wut; ur rite

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>>2203509
>To quote one of the pillars of Leninism, Carl von Clausewitz:

>>2203514
I always was.

>>2203515
This isn't relevant at all to what I said and is evidence of nothing more than your mental retardation causing a severe lack of reading comprehension.

>>2203517
so have you taken your own advice? how much spear of the nation style destruction of critical infrastructure have you done?

>>2203509
All this, and yet again, no material plan to accomplish this. The obvious destination has once again been stated, but no route has been plotted.

move to /usa/

You’re no better

>>2203528
You would have said the same to John Brown.

>>2203535
John brown wouldn’t post his plans and intentions where the authorities could easily find them idiot

>>2203539
Correct

Wouldn’t it be better if we took control of America instead of destroying it? Just saying.

>>2203539
Damn, it's like you're trying to one up each other on ignorance of history.

"A few men in the right, and knowing that they are right, can overturn a mighty king. Fifty men, twenty men, in the Alleghenies would break slavery to pieces in two years."-John Brown

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>>2203541
You cannot reform a slave state ever

>>2203548
If you know where I can find 1000 partisans, I am listening.

>>2203553
Cuba was a slave state, did Fidel and J26M destroy Cuba?

>>2203554
In prison, I’m not being ironic, black guerilla family was started by George Jackson, Kevin Rashid Johnson was able to do a bunch of labor organizing in prison, that’s where you’ll find the least treatlerite people in the country

>>2203555
Unfortunately not


>>2203553
Soviets and revolutionary china had millions in slave labour… don’t be such a bleeding heart retard

>>2203562
>Soviets and revolutionary china had millions in slave labour
That doesn’t sound so revolutionary
>retard
Hmm

>>2203568
Sounds like you got btfo and can’t defend your asinine claim. Are you saying the USSR and the CCP aren’t communists?

>>2203562
The Soviets and China had no slaves. They had prisoners of war.

>>2203573
Communists don’t use slave labor. Are you saying the USSR and revolutionary china used slave labor?

>>2203577
Yes, absolutely. After both revolutions, do you think the labour was performed by just normal unionized construction workers that got to go home every night?

>>2203579
>Yes, absolutely
Then they are not communists then.

>>2203579
For the most part, yes. The number of prisoners in labor camps was never, even in the wildest dreams of the most hysterical anti-communists, more than a few percent of the population.

>>2203586
I would tell you to kill yourself, but that would require you to do something, which is a fate worse than death in the eyes of every strasserite.

>>2203583
I’m a ML and we both know what happened to the kulaks bruh

>>2203591
Most of them went to prison for a few years and were released.

>>2203590
The fact that I make liberals like you angry is proof that I am right.

Die mad, lifestylist.

>>2203594
Labour camp, not prison.

Donald Trump has done more to destroy America than all communists in world history combined.

>>2203606
Literally everyone has done more to destroy America than all Communists in world history combined.

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>>2203554
The point is that you're going to see a lot more success going after a single city than an entire country of 300,000,000, especially if you're operating under the assumption that you're outnumbered by reactionaries. Or you could make temporary alliances with separatists, even if they're RW, because they're useful idiots for balkanizing the empire. You even said in a past thread that uMkhonto weSizwe won in South Africa because they targeted critical infrastructure consistently. You know who does that in the USA? 09A. Neo nazis. So that's my point. My point is if there's no communist mass movement in the USA, and you think that there can't be one because the nation is full of treatlerites, and the nation has to be destroyed first before a mass movement can be built, then you have to start small and focus on a city. When a single tooth has tooth decay, it hurts the surrounding teeth. When a single city is wrecked, it becomes a sunk cost that the nation has to invest more and more resources into securing. You could run circles around the feds for years if you remained a "small problem" in a "small area" that constantly wastes their resources, energy, and time. Rather than this grandiose BS of "just destroy the country lol"

>>2203605
> like laser anon ill be glad when youre gone
wasn't he arrested for shooting and killing a random mf?

>>2203608
You're confusing strategy with theory again, but I don't think you're entirely wrong.

The goal is to force America to withdraw from it's position as global hegemon and turn inwards to fight the crisis. But there has to BE a crisis first.

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>>2203611
>You're confusing strategy with theory again
i thought you're entire point was that the left was too focused on theory and not enough on strategy so I made some strategic points on why your goals are too long term and not specific enough. you need a schedule and real achievable missions if your grandiose plan is to become even somewhat realistic after enough time.

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>>2203509
terrible opsec, hoss

>>2203608
The problem with that is the US government has already shown willingness to wrote off entire areas and abandon them, just look at the non response to disasters like Hurricane Katrina or the LA fires. Hell Donald Trump just dismantled FEMA entirely.

>>2203535
John Brown was based but his plan was a total failure and most people thought he was crazy at the time. Even a lot of abolitionists thought he had harmed their cause. He was only retroactively seen as a hero when the course of the Civil War essentially forced the northern bourgeoisie to abolish slavery to remove the initial cause of the conflict and undermine the southern economy. People say he helped "spark the Civil War" or whatever but that's just not true.

The Civil War was sparked by southern slavers chimping out at Lincoln's relatively mild anti-slavery policies and attempting to secede, and abolition wasn't even part of the northern agenda until years into the conflict. If anything John Brown is an example of why you need broad historical forces on your side, and why individual acts of armed resistance are doomed to fail without it, even when you have a sympathetic mass movement like the 1850s abolitionists. If the southern ruling class had been less hyperbolic and not been jumping at shadows they could have enjoyed slavery for decades to come like in Brazil or Cuba, and nobody would remember John Brown.

>>2203619
>The Civil War was sparked by southern slavers chimping out at Lincoln's relatively mild anti-slavery policies
not even his policies. his mere election and the miniscule prospect of free soil policies eventually happening maybe

>>2203619
Revisionism: the post

Every time you repost this thread another firstoid parasite comes into existence

>>2203624
Not possible if you look at birthrates

>>2203619
You're an actual babykiller and the only role for you in our new world is digging your own grave.

>>2203626
The only new world you'll see is the world of prison rape when your retarded "plan" inevitably fails because you have zero understanding of how literally anything works.

>>2203614
Specific strategy is not suitable to post on this forum.

>>2203625
Okay let me elaborate, it adds an additional birth on top of the existing birthrates. You are ever so slightly increasing the rate at which the spawn of Yakub overrun us

>>2203630
Every day, 18 babykillers make the right decision and kill themselves.

You should make that number 19.

>>2203633
Why are you posting here instead of doing insurgency?

>>2203605
No one even knows you exist, and no one will mourn you after you died.

Such is the nature of a "life" spent in the pursuit of doing nothing.

>>2203640
Random acts of terrorism is your job, babykiller.

>>2203646
Calm down m8 I'm not even American and mostly just sat around for a few years between exercises lmao. I didn't even get the flood relief posting let alone going to another country. I do wonder though, if this is your attitude to anybody who ever participated in a Western military, how do you propose to create an insurgent cell? You realized that such organizations have always relied on veterans and defectors from the militaries they were fighting against right?

>>2203650
Yes, I know, you're even worse. By your spelling, you're some sort of Angloid. I don't know why you think I should try to recruit you when I don't even view you as a human being.

If you want my sympathy, shoot your officers and then turn the gun on yourself.

There is nothing else you can do to redeem yourself.

>>2203653
>I don't know why you think I should try to recruit you
Lmao like I'd ever want to work with some unhinged schizo who has never fired a gun before but fancies himself John Brown.

Suicide is rarely materialist

>>2203654
I think you'd sooner die than work with anyone.

Just a pity you won't take the easy way out. Oh well. I would say your island will be inevitably depopulated, but I don't believe any people live there.

>>2203656
Suicide is the only left-wing thing a babykiller can do.

>>2203668
I say it depends. And I am curious why you brought up baby killing.

>>2203671
I was in the military for a couple years so in felix's mind that means I personally murdered third world children despite never leaving my home country.

>>2203674
>I was in the military for a couple years
That is not great
>despite never leaving my home country
But this does not indicate any baby killer tendencies. They could better in the insult department for sure.

>>2203691
Rethuglicunt

>>2203691
>he forgot to use tor node

MODS I FOUND HIM GET HIM NOW

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>>2203631
>Specific strategy is not suitable to post on this forum.
No shit Evan, but you've had terrible opsec on here for years. This entire thread is terrible opsec. Why let that stop you?

>>2203706
Did you get that from your neo-nazi friends in the Normandie Regement or your handler at Quantico?

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>>2203710
I don't have neo nazi friends, Mr. Reif. I just find it absurd that you object to strategic suggestions and want to post "destroy america" to your audience of 12 for the 10,000th time while not actually doing anything

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>>2203715
Ahh, so it was your handler.

I find it hard to believe that anyone in your position doesn't have neo-nazi friends. I doubt you can even punch the time clock without passing by a dozen of them.

What is the point of this, anyway, do you think I'm afraid of you?

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>>2203720
you don't look afraid of anything tbh. it's kinda scary. you got that look in your eyes. the sanpaku eyes

>>2203723
I'm certainly not afraid of you.

I took that picture after working an overnight shift at one of my jobs and spending several months uncovering some of your friends operations in Ukraine. If you want, I can post a better one when I get home.

They've already tried to intimidate me once, and they have failed. They actually blame me for the death of one of your colleagues, a neo-nazi from the Normandie Battalion who called himself "Hrulf" despite the fact that he was a French Canadian named Jean-Francois. Sadly, I didn't kill him, but I did write an article about his handler. You might know the guy, his name is Brian Boyenger.

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>>2203733
this is what i meant when I advised you that you had bad opsec evan. I posted a picture of you and you immediately admitted it was you after a few bantz. not good, evan. why should anyone take your advice, evan?

>>2203733
btw your articles are good. much better than your opsec. i was especially fond of "the fascist zion" but I suspect you never got that one published

>>2203736
I'm not trying to hide. You already know where I live, and the locks on the doors aren't very good. You're welcome to come say hello, I'd love to actually shoot a Nazi.

>>2203740

It was published, actually. I should re-write that one after I read Shlomo Sand, there's a lot more I could add.

But then, you know that. I'm sure you have a big file on me already.

>>2203740
>>2203736
>>2203723
That's not cool anon. Especially if you're trying to freak him out.

>>2203742
Bro don't feel spooked. Did you post these pictures online here with your name?

>>2203740
I completely forgot he used to post pdfs. I remember he did some well researched articles about like Cirillo and other things.

>>2203753
Nah that is actually from my articles over on Covert Action. They needed a picture to run them and so I ran outside and took one with my phone after work, right before I went to sleep. I was still wearing my work shirt and everything.

Millions must go broke

all countries must be destroyed tho

>>2203763
Don't worry about the goofy pic anon. It's always funny to me putting a face with the name on here. I think the only ones I recall now are you and "pennyfag" as he was known. It's funnny tho that "pennyfag" had a gf and everything. Stunting on everyone in siberia. That and Shay's asshole. That's the most I remember. I remember Hoochies ass too, I've seen the Junko cleavage picture but I can't remember if it was legit. Also Bee's feet.

>>2203742
I'm not a nazi, I'm not coming to your house, I'm showing you that your opsec is trash and that you have way too big of an ego. Using a name or a flag on an imageboard and posting your own articles literally defeats the purpose of anonymity. Maybe you'll be smarter in the future. idk. I actually hope you win. have a nice night.

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And here I thought Felix may have regained some sanity.

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I call this phenomena Maoist First Wordism

>random person from 1st world starts reading and applying socialist theory to there day to day life

>expect said random person is a member of the more priviliged sections of their country(i.e. petty bourgeois/labor aristocrat/intelligentsia in marxist jargon and/or upper middle class white picket surburbanite honkeys in colloquial jargon)
>as a result of there social milieu being comprised of the most reactionary,entitled and annoying segments of there home country and there lack of experience outside this bubble they think every person in the 1st world must be as awful as there peer group.

There's a reason the stereotypical third worldist is a radlibbed up college student and not a member of the NPA and a reason why these threads essentially devolve into one sheltered anon vs. everyone else explaining to them that not every single 1st worlder is 4 car mcmansion dweller that owns a skeedoo dealership

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>>2203509
Mr. Dzerzhinsky, you know what you must do…

Yanks are vermin that must be annihilated

>>2203509
>Another therad arguing about the semantics of what it means to "destroy the US"
How about capitalism?

>>2203618
The people in those shitholes get organized to survive, reaching out to them could be useful. It also creates a propaganda opportunity to expose the uselessness of the gov

>>2203869
Don't forget how they're low-key homophobic. They carve out an exception for Black people. But they fucking hate all the other minorities.

>>2203509
This is why I shoplift and NEETmax on disability bucks. There is no ethical production in the imperial core.

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>>2203970
I love dehumanization when it targets the rank and file civilians of the bad guy countries and not the rank and file citizens of the good guy countries

>>2204086
there is no ethical production anywhere my sibling in science

>>2204085
ya know now that you mention it, that is p common for Maoist First Worldists to still retain many of the reactionary social views from there peer group and just act like going onna fox news tier rant abt the dirty poors is fine cause they said lumpen instead illegal aliens and welfare queens.

>>2203869
100% chance i am significantly more proletarian than you.

i'm just an actual leftist instead of a strasserite.

>>2203903
>millions of dollars gone
>with just a lighter

>>2204150
You know with all this whining about "Strasserites" you don't seem to realize that forcing concessions from the ruling class, even in an imperialist context, is still an effective way to starve the capitalist system of profits. Essentially serving a similar function to cutting it off from cheap third world resources and labour, which is why the ruling class is constantly attempting to withdraw these concessions. The fact is that if you want to starve the empire of resources, you have to starve it of profits. You can say it's just redistributing imperialist plunder, but this is a moralist analysis rather than a materialist one. Without profits the entire system collapses. Since the ability to sustain concessions is inherently limited (capitalism would be infinitely sustainable were this not the case), higher wages and benefits etc is a way to achieve this, and its pacifying effect cannot continue indefinitely. It's also a way to force conflict between labour and capital and increase the potential for radicalization of the former in an organic fashion, rather than adventurist LARP.

>A disease of passivity
>Why has this sickness emerged? It is because the "left" spends all their time…
WRONG ANSWER. If you spend your time victim blaming the slaves under bourgeois dictatorship, you're being willfully ignorant of the last 100 years of counter-revolutionary terrorism. There's a new book about this subject actually:
https://player.fm/series/new-books-in-critical-theory-2421454/mark-neocleous-pacification-social-war-and-the-power-of-police-verso-2025
>This provocative book offers the first sustained critique of the theory and practice of pacification.
>In his new book, critical theorist Mark Neocleous engages in a sustained critique of the theory and practice of pacification. Combining philosophical analysis with historical detail, Neocleous analyses the development of pacification as a key concept through which capitalist modernity has been organised, offering readers the first book that treats pacification as an important concept in the history of state power and capitalism. Neocleous’s approach is fourfold, examining pacification as social warfare carried out through the ideology of peace; as a form of social police carried out through mechanisms of security; as law and order exercised through the permanent wars of class society; and as the myriad practices of power designed to counter insurgency.
>Making use of official documents of state, the writings of counterinsurgency thinkers and the ideas perpetuated by practitioners of counterrevolution, the book unravels the complex ways through which pacification generates new forms of social war and new modes of policing that reproduce capitalist order and fabricate obedient subjects.
>Through expansive accounts of war and police, and engaging with a range of topics from debt to death, from stasis to civil war, and from the police kettle to the politics of fear, the book offers a provocative analysis of the ways in which state and capital combine to build a pacified social order.
https://www.versobooks.com/products/3138-pacification

>>2204165
no one is buying your shitty book

>>2204162
if you think a 1% raise is striking the necessary blow against capitalism than you are too stupid to ever reach.

>>2204170
Health insurance is

>>2204172
how does health insurance fight against imperialism and capitalism-caused climate change?

>>2204174
It digs directly into profit, same with capital gains and wealth tax

>>2204177
oh no the capitalists will not be able to afford a new kitchen in their 5th boat you've really got them now.

>>2204170
Yeah but double digit wage increases (plus yearly raises) plus benefits, shorter working hours, better conditions, longer vacations, earlier retirement, better pensions, more generous welfare state, etc etc. All of this shit adds up, and were this not the case then the ruling class wouldn't have spent the last 40 years trying to take these things away. The more such concessions are granted and the longer they carry on, the more they will eat into corporate profits, which will continue to dry up as a result of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. This will occur even faster if combined with successful anti-imperialist resistance abroad. As this process unfolds it will force ever increasing confrontations with capital, which in turn fuel radicalization as they become more intense (and potentially more violent), and as demands which could be granted yesterday become increasingly unattainable within the capitalist paradigm. The flip side of treats is that yesterday's luxuries become today's necessities, and the minimum standards which people will tolerate are raised. That's how every successful revolution in history unfolded, when the natural points of antagonism between the classes reached a breaking point. It's never been accomplished by a small group of radicals with no popular support somehow destroying the existing state and replacing it with nothing.

>>2204181
literally none of this does anything to stop american imperialism or climate change, it just makes american workers get richer from those things.

at best you have a 50 year solution to a 5 year problem. more likely, you have no solution at all, as you have yet to mention how or why these workers would ever be inclined to destroy the system which sustains them.

>>2204184
>at best you have a 50 year solution to a 5 year problem
Do you unironically believe that a tiny handful of insurgents could bring the US government down and prevent the old order from reasserting itself within 5 years? This last part is a big question mark for me. Even if you could snap your fingers and have every US military officer, Wall Street executive, and Washington politician die overnight, all that creates is a power vacuum. If there's nothing to fill it then the bourgeoisie will simply regroup and reassert themselves.
>as you have yet to mention how or why these workers would ever be inclined to destroy the system which sustains them
Because it can't sustain them, that's the whole point. The rate of profit falls, whatever concessions were granted before end up on the chopping block, holding onto them or even pushing for more becomes a natural site of struggle. Since this struggle can no longer end in a mutually acceptable social democratic compromise, it has a radicalizing effect and creates the material basis for a revolutionary movement.

>>2204190
>Because it can't sustain them, that's the whole point. The rate of profit falls, whatever concessions were granted before end up on the chopping block, holding onto them or even pushing for more becomes a natural site of struggle. Since this struggle can no longer end in a mutually acceptable social democratic compromise, it has a radicalizing effect and creates the material basis for a revolutionary movement.

the system has sustained a petty-bourgeois (aka "Middle class") majority for over 200 years already it can continue to do so. This is literally what the American system was built to do. There is no class basis for a mass movement in America and there never has been.

>Do you unironically believe that a tiny handful of insurgents could bring the US government down and prevent the old order from reasserting itself within 5 years? This last part is a big question mark for me. Even if you could snap your fingers and have every US military officer, Wall Street executive, and Washington politician die overnight, all that creates is a power vacuum. If there's nothing to fill it then the bourgeoisie will simply regroup and reassert themselves.


The goal is to create a crisis that forces them to turn inward and withdraw from their position as global hegemon. Nothing else matters.

>>2204190
"Hitler's popular support derived from yet another group whose roots-and outlook-were fixed in the past. It consisted, above all, of small but independent peasants, artisans, and shopkeepers. This composite lower middle class, which also included salaried white collar workers, felt intensely threatened by both organized capitalism and organized Marxism. Large sectors of Germany's Mitte/stand were nostalgic for other times, to which they hoped to return. The petty bourgeoisie, always anxious about their status, and according to Bloch filled with an "amorphous pent-up fury," became the reserve army of resistance to change. While this fury was latent in periods of normalcy, it threatened to erupt in times of crisis, fueled by a burning passion for "duty, Bildung, status, … home, soil, and Volk. "

>>2204194
>the system has sustained a petty-bourgeois (aka "Middle class") majority for over 200 years
First off, petty-bourgeois =/= middle class. Even during the height of the postwar compromise the majority of middle income people were still workers, which was only made possible by a robust labour movement. Second, you're just objectively wrong that such people constituted a majority of the American population for most of US history. Prior to the mid 20th century most people were poor proles living and working in conditions not unlike third world sweatshops (at least since the industrial revolution took hold in America), and that proportion has been growing continuously again since the advent of neoliberalism. Again, unless you think that capitalism can sustain constant growth of profits indefinitely then you must admit that at some point it will have to cannibalize whatever concessions it has granted to the workers.
> This is literally what the American system was built to do
No, like all capitalist systems it was built to generate as much profits for the bourgeoisie as possible.
>The goal is to create a crisis that forces them to turn inward and withdraw from their position as global hegemon
Yeah and instigating class conflict at home is a way to do that. The more intense the antagonisms between the domestic workers and bourgeoisie, the less resources will be available to wage imperialist adventures abroad. Never mind the fact that more money spent on healthcare and education means less on security (hence why EU capitalists are now openly saying that they will destroy the remainder of the welfare state to fund rearmament), but more resources spent containing unrest domestically means less available to deploy internationally. Additionally, the more restive the population already is at home, the less willing they will be to staff the ranks of the imperialist army or accept any burdens of conflict. Not only this, but the inevitable effect of an inwards turn even absent any worker militancy at home will be to supplant imperialist superprofits with intensified exploitation of domestic workers. When that happens its much better to have an already robust labour movement rather than a completely disorganized working class.
>It consisted, above all, of small but independent peasants, artisans, and shopkeepers. This composite lower middle class, which also included salaried white collar workers
These people are not the majority in America.


>>2203609
Who is this guy and what did he do exactly?

>>2204281
Some guy who talked about using lasers to blind people he didn't like or something. I think he might've fascist or some kind of rightoid but he didn't seem to like the police that much and I think would give advice on how to use lasers as weapons and how to avoid getting blinded by them. I think he murdered two people up in Alaska so he was legitimately dangeroys

>>2204162
not only that but higher wages and benefits are specifically what gives the working class free time to read theory and get better organized and get first hand experience showing them what's possible through organization. It doesn't make them into "treatlerites" willing to work in weapons factories and help turn 3rd world children into chunky marinara. It makes them into class conscious proles!

such as it is

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>>2204289
he spent years teaching people how to use lasers as weapons, posting infographics and short videos he made, and linking his schizo youtube channel, and when he finally went crazy and killed someone, it wasn't with a lazer, but just with a regular old pistol.

> I think he might've fascist or some kind of rightoid

He was. He was always posting on /pol/ and only came to leftypol when he got banned from 4chan. He would talk about building special lazers that would make "black skin" explode

>>2203609
Not random. They were his friends. The retartt reied to frame it as a murder suicide but it was his gun as proved by the fact it was engraved and he'd posted to 4chins as a photo wiry hid usual schizo threats at the powerful.

The great irony of the labour aristocracy thesis is that it was the height of the labour aristocracy which coincided with a high point of working class consciousness and militancy in the first world, shit like May 68, the BPP, anti-Vietnam war movement, RAF, and the Years of Lead, etc. Honestly the more I think about it the more it seems like the labour aristocracy is a side effect of a high degree of working class power. It does play the role Lenin described in preventing this from turning into revolution and of course should be combatted on this basis. Perhaps its role in this was even decisive (in some cases like Germany in 1919 I think we can say this with confidence. But at the same time, it really only comes into existence when class consciousness and organization have already been raised to a certain level.

Formally speaking, what you see today in America isn't a labour aristocracy in the way Lenin used it, since that by definition can only exist in the context of a large collaborationist labour movement and America lacks even that. This is a country with only a 10% unionization rate ffs. What the first world proletariat struggles with today is something else entirely, which is chronic apathy and atomization. I don't think it's so much that people are too comfortable and don't want change, but that they have no way of conceiving how to go about getting it. In terms of the main obstacles they face, I honestly think they have more in common with Russian proles in the 90s trying in vain to resuscitate the USSR than American proles in the 50s who were set for life working in a steel mill. So maybe it's not that people are wrong about the labour aristocracy and its role in preserving bourgeois rule in a previous era, but that they're misapplying this to the current era.

>>2204360
> which is chronic apathy and atomization.
The internet age, coupled with America's size, and the way its infrastructure is constructed (lack of "third places" + stroad hell with no public infrastructure or crumbling public infrastructure) makes it very hard for people to organize in meat space

>>2204339
With friends like him you don't need enemies. I don't think I would've considered trying to be friends with laseranon. He always seemed unhinged.

>>2204415
whoever was friends with him irl probably didn't know about his unhinged posts… but there were probably other signs

>It is because the “left”, such as it is, spends all their time reading theory but none of it reading history

I think you mean reading Twitter lmao

>>2203509
Not reading all that, I'm British, just tell me wtf I can do from here to destroy America

>>2204472
have sex with charles iii

>>2204476
After you fuck King Musk and/or King Trump

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>>2204495
already did

>>2204515
Holy shit, I kneel…

>>2204325
>>2204336
>>2204336
>He was. He was always posting on /pol/ and only came to leftypol when he got banned from 4chan. He would talk about building special lazers that would make "black skin" explode
Yeah he was a /pol/tard, he just managed to blend in a little more over here because he only talked about blinding cops with his lasers when he was here so everyone was like:
>BASED BASED BASED!

>>2203509
I agree with the general sentiment OP, specially the adventurism part. It seems to me that anything that has no guaranteed success rate is considered adventurism. But on the face of human extinction, couldn't one argue that anything is acceptable, even if it doesn't work? According to these people calling everything adventurism, then everything in the past fits this description: Rosa Luxembourg and the Spartans, Mahkno, Catalonia, the Guatemalan and Salvadorian peasants, etc. What determines the lines between adventurism and rational careful action?

As >>2203590 says, effective action is met with prison or death. Still, we should support any action that doesn't involve secure death or imprisonment or hurting innocent people, rather than judging it as adventurism.

In my opinion, the attitude we should take is that of an enthusiast who is learning a new passion, such as drawing or writing. In the process, the artist learns and discovers not only about their task but also about themselves, leading him to new paths and leads. This can only be accomplished through action, and no amount of meditation or theory will provide the same experience.

bump, you're based op

>>2204818
>What determines the lines between adventurism and rational careful action?
Whether or not it has any chance of success. Fidel and Che arriving in Cuba with 80 men to do guerilla warfare wasn't adventurism because Cuba had revolutionary conditions where a critical mass of the population was willing to join them. If you tried the same thing today in the US it would be adventurism because such conditions are absent as per OP's own admission. There is absolutely no way you can destroy the US government without significant popular support. You can decry other methods of agitation like strikes or whatever as "useless" but adventurist violence is worse than useless. At least if you're doing this "useless" unarmed agitation you're doing more to lay the foundations for more radical action in the future, developing cadres and institutional knowledge on how to organize, etc. Some RAF or Weathermen type LARP group will just flail around for a few years at most before being caught and wiped out, having accomplished less than nothing. Even when it comes to the stated goal of forcing the US to turn inwards, you'd have more luck doing that with a larger and less radical movement than with an insignificant armed resistance.

>>2204963
Correct. OP is a lonely and mentally ill working class person lashing out with impotent rage. Hurts but it's true.

>>2204222
>>2204325

So your best case scenario is that MAYBE in 50 years, you have 20% of America in explicitly class collaborationist unions that exist specifically to PREVENT a revolution from ever happening in America.

I'm sorry, but that is worse than doing nothing. You may as well just kill yourself now, because that has the exact same chance of succeeding.

I can't decide if this is just mindless book worship or active strasserism.

>>2204472

Suicide bomb Buckingham palace.

>>2205049
Dont you have an unguarded factory near you that produces major military equipment? Why haven't you blown it up yet? Are you some kind of Strasserite yourself?

>>2205049
>taking a satirical post from "Eduard Feel The Bern Bernstein" serious

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>>2205051
What the marx did you just marxing say about me, you little strasserite? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the cheka, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the treatlerite burgerreich, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire red army. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the marx out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my marxing words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, marxer. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USSR and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're marxing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the red army and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your strasserite tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're marxing dead, kiddo.

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>>2203706
>this is the face of the dude who jizzed on a printout of putin because he lost a bet in the /ukr/ thread

>>2205049
>So your best case scenario is that MAYBE in 50 years, you have 20% of America in explicitly class collaborationist unions that exist specifically to PREVENT a revolution from ever happening in America.
Which one tied down more US military resources? The Battle of Blair Mountain (required a national guard deployment and intervention by the air force) or the Weathermen (blew themselves up and were caught by the FBI)?

>>2205231
just two more tesla dealerships and we'll have socialism bro, trust me

>>2205238
Cope. A large movement can tie down more security resources even if it's less radical compared to a tiny gaggle of retards planting bombs.

>>2204963
found the fed kek

>>2205242
Anon encouraging small scale adventurism is an established fed tactic.

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>>2205240
i'll add /s to the end of my post next time i try to tell a joke

>>2205231
Once again, the only examples you have to cite are 100 year old struggles from a time when the material conditions were radically different.

You are nowhere near Blair Mountain. You would call Blair Mountain adventurism.

If you were putting weapons in the hands of union workers I'd be on your side, but you aren't, you won't, and you oppose every effort to.

>>2204963
>Some RAF or Weathermen type LARP group will just flail around for a few years at most before being caught and wiped out,
The raf did literal decades and aided the international solidarity movement more than me or you ever will.

>>2205271
Blair Mountain failed, by the way. The union workers were broken.

>>2205243
When did I encourage that? I am encouraging the formation of an army, not individual action.

"Adventurism" does not exist and it is just a slur from inactivists. It's just the left wing version of the world "terrorism", a meaningless platitude that is designed to denigrate people's struggle.

>>2205292
>"Adventurism" does not exist and it is just a slur from inactivists
famous inactivist v i lenin

>>2205292
>When did I encourage that?
>>2205049
>Suicide bomb Buckingham palace.

>>2205292
>"Adventurism" does not exist and it is just a slur from inactivists. It's just the left wing version of the world "terrorism", a meaningless platitude that is designed to denigrate people's struggle.
Rare true thing this schizo retard said.

>>2205271
>Once again, the only examples you have to cite are 100 year old struggles from a time when the material conditions were radically different.
The George Floyd riots tied down more of America's security resources than the sort of shit you're proposing.


>>2205297
The Bolsheviks had been actively fighting the state for over a decade at this point.

Once again, you worship theory but have never read history. You use these ancient tomes not as a manual for action, but an excuse for inaction.

>>2205298

Yes, I encourage every British "person" to suicide bomb something.

>>2205304

The George Floyd uprisings also failed because inactivists like you refused to take the lead and start attacking the state in an organized fashion, you were content to let the anarchists do things as you did exactly what you always do, sat and did nothing.

>>2205312
"We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution."- The least counter-revolutionary man who has ever lived

>>2205311
you said adventurism was a slur for inactivism and i showed you lenin using the term and now you're just saying a bunch of unrelated stuff and making up a person to get mad at.

>>2205319
Lenin, who was actively operating a "terrorist" group, which you would have called "adventurist", at the time.

>>2205320
Good thing he had friends who were willing to start the revolution instead of sitting and doing nothing, then.

>>2205325
>which you would have called "adventurist", at the time.
yep making up a person to get mad at

>>2205325
Your ass is not Lenin

>>2205325
Bolsheviks weren't terrorists, a disciplined mass uprising is not terrorism.

Yanks are vermin that must be annihilated

>>2205429
"Terrorism" does not exist.

>>2205311
>The George Floyd uprisings also failed because inactivists like you refused to take the lead and start attacking the state in an organized fashion
That would have been based actually, but you're missing the point. Those riots weren't the actions of a tiny cadre of communist insurgents, but a mass uprising of angry proles who tied down significant security resources even though they weren't communists or revolutionaries. Even if we work towards your goal of forcing the US to devote more resources inwards rather than towards its empire, mass action is the key to this. This remains the case when when that action is not revolutionary. Giving up on mass politics for the sake of some ultra-violent "pure" revolutionary movement actually releases rather than increases the sort of pressure you claim to want to create.

>>2205461
The origin of the word terrorism is the French Revolution, specifically used to describe State terror. Recently it became a word to describe only the actions of the enemies of the State, rather than the actions of the State itself.

Terrorism is not needed for the revolution before or after. This is the anarchist take at least.

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>>2203509
>America MUST be destroyed, and you MUST destroy it.

>>2205557
yeah OP is just a trump admin plant trying to create probable cause to shut down the site

>>2204963
What about movements like the civil rights movement or the Black Panthers?
The State straight up killed Fred Hampton and MLK. What about the peasants in El Salvador and Guatemala who were simply trying to improve their lives? There were guerrillas yes, but the atrocities were commited mainly against the civilian population.
What is the response/solution to these cases? Fred Hamtpon wasnt adventurist

>>2204325
>not only that but higher wages and benefits are specifically what gives the working class free time to read theory
>read theory
>free time
The vast majority of people are not going to read let alone read theory in their spare time. I believe your overestimating how much people would care to read theory or organize when their treats are good.

>>2205704
All of those movements aimed to build mass politics and establish a social base, which OP is specifically calling a waste of time. There's also nothing adventurist about self defense like the Panthers were doing.

>>2205311
>Yes, I encourage every British "person" to suicide bomb something.
So you aren't serious and shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>2205797
But isn't building a mass social base what we want? If that's impossible right now, then what can we do? What is effective and at the same time doesn't make the State kill you?

>>2205814
>But isn't building a mass social base what we want?
Yes, but OP is telling us not to bother.
>If that's impossible right now, then what can we do?
It is possible, it's just a slow process that requires a lot of tedious and thankless work.

>>2205934
I mean impossible in the sense that it will be met with force. If you want to build a mass social base it seems to me it must be kept inactive while educating it and waiting for the moment to finally go all out. Which is a questionable tactic

>>2205797
You will never have majority support in America and you don't need it. Hezbollah only has about 20% of Lebanon behind them and they have accomplished more than every western leftist ever combined.

At best your strategy will.leave you with a handful of questionably dedicated followers who are ready to do nothing when capitalism-caused climate change and the escalation of American fascism means we must act urgently.

This is what you nerds fail to understand because it wasn't in the ancient tomes you hyper focus on. We do not have a generation to do this. We don't have fifty years to slowly build a movement the old fashioned way. Humanity is facing an existential threat and your only possible solution is to sit and read a book.

You may as well just give up and go over to the right, because by doing nothing you are helping them.

>>2205993
Is Lebanon socialist? Have they defeated Zionist aggression? Is America the same as Lebanon? You know absolutely nothing that you're talking about. You keep screaming at people to "do something" yet when people try doing something that isn't an immediate suicidal martyrdom you get pissy and call us Strasserites. Meanwhile you're sitting on your ass while there's a factory right where you live that produces weapons that you yourself have said is completely unguarded and you have yet to so much as sabotage it.

Yes, American imperialism will be dismantled, communism will be brought to these lands, but it will be done through mass action in spite of psychopaths like yourself and not because of it.

>>2205993
>Hezbollah only has about 20% of Lebanon behind them
20% of the population is still a mass movement. Its precisely their support from such a significant segment of the population that makes Hezbollah so resilient and effective.
>We do not have a generation to do this.
You understand that just saying this doesn't do away with the necessity of a strong political foundation right? A car won't drive without wheels, no matter how urgently you need to reach your destination. It's simply a matter of cold hard facts that you can never pose a serious threat to a government or the social forces it represents without a mass movement (which is not the same thing as a majority) behind you.

>>2205993
>you nerds don't understand, we don't have time, you're bad people, just go over to the right, by doing nothing you're helping them
are you… recruiting for them? Was this a recruitment attempt?

>>2206000
Lmao you will do nothing. Be honest with yourself for once. You will do nothing. You have no strategy, you just hyperfixate on ancient tomes written in epochs of history that ended before your parents were born. The world will burn around you and the scant remnants of the left will be thrown in camps and you will do nothing.

Stop lying to yourself.

>>2206006
How did Hezbollah earn that 20% of popular support? It was not by sitting and doing nothing. It was through taking up arms and actively fighting against the Zionists. Your strategy has no support and never will, because your strategy is doing nothing. No one will support nothing.

>>2206031
Still waiting for you to sabotage that factory by the way. You said yourself it's unguarded, what's stopping you?

>>2205993
>every western leftist ever combined.
lenin and stalin are western leftists tho

looking up on Tor right now "how to raid a police precinct" (minimum of 10 people suppot) (Deathless)

>>2205325
>Lenin, who was actively operating a "terrorist" group
READ UYGHA READ

>>2206031
>It was through taking up arms and actively fighting against the Zionists.
In part, but it was formed in 1982 during an Israeli occupation of Lebanon, obviously a situation where armed resistance is going to help generate popular support. However they did a lot more than just fight the Israelis, they also set up social services and basic public functions. They operate schools, fund infrastructure projects, resolve disputes, etc. All of this, including armed resistance to Zionism, was simply them locating the natural sites of social struggle between their chosen base (Lebanese Shias) and other forces, and intervening on the side of that base. The correctly located where the existing political energy was and worked to give it focus and direction. This *is* the strategy I'm proposing, but in the US there isn't nearly as much appetite for armed struggle (not that unarmed =/= nonviolent) amongst the people we're trying to reach, and the state we're fighting against is much stronger. In short, the conditions are different, and if we apply the recipe for Hezbollah's success to America (i.e. identify the organic sites of struggle between the working class and the bourgeoisie, intervene on behalf of the former, give the latent political energy structure and direction) then what would that look like? Well workers are struggling with low wages, so that means organizing workplaces. They're struggling with high housing costs, that means organizing tenant's unions. They're struggling to afford healthcare, that means fighting for socialized medicine. Just naming a few examples. In other words, in means doing all these things and waging all these struggles that OP declares to be useless, to be "Strasserist" etc.

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>>2205993
>Reactionary clerical terrorist organizations with bourgeois interests will help the working class and peasantry come into power

>>2206045
Hezbollah was a militia first. They make decisions in military terms, their social services exist to recruit and build a base for the army. But moreover, Hezbollah is trying to save the Lebanese state. We must be trying to destroy America and we don't have time.

>>2206070
>Hezbollah was a militia first
Yeah because they were formed in the context of an Israeli invasion of their country, meaning that armed resistance something that would gain them popular support. Do you think this is the case in America?

>>2206072
No, because the vast majority of Americans support this system despite realizing what it does. No action taken against it will ever have popular support. However, that can't matter. America MUST be destroyed. There is no other way to preserve human civilization.

This is the whole point. You are only focused on and only care about Americans, a tiny minority of the human population. You hyper focus on them and their needs despite the fact that they are diametrically opposed to the needs of 95% of humanity. Everything that is good for America is bad for humanity. America MUST be destroyed. There is a absolutely no other option.

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>>2203869
One of my Russian friends once compared these people to Navalny supporters.
>>2204360
>The great irony of the labour aristocracy thesis is that it was the height of the labour aristocracy which coincided with a high point of working class consciousness and militancy in the first world, shit like May 68, the BPP, anti-Vietnam war movement, RAF, and the Years of Lead, etc.
It's very interesting how proletarian organization against the Vietnam War has been utterly wiped from history while petit-bougeois academics and activists (Many of whom became Third-way liberals by the 1990s) became the face of the Left. In fact, the only time you hear of workers in histories of that era are the Hard Hat Riots. Kind of like this odd coincidence how Settlers (Which villifies the American labor movement as racists) came out at the same time as the Reagan Administration's attacks on organized labor.
>>2205449
It would have resulted in the declaration of martial law and the Proud Boys and other fascist goons would have been allowed to fire AR-15s into crowds of protestors. But go ahead and pick up the bait bricks.

>>2206106
>It would have resulted in the declaration of martial law and the Proud Boys and other fascist goons would have been allowed to fire AR-15s into crowds of protestors. But go ahead and pick up the bait bricks.


Good. That is the desired outcome. You should always escalate and force the state to overreact. That is how you build popular support. Even Gandhi and Martin Luther King would have agreed with that.

>>2206106
>It would have resulted in the declaration of martial law and the Proud Boys and other fascist goons would have been allowed to fire AR-15s into crowds of protestors.
and? the kent state shootings (and any equivelent example of state violence or the violence of state-enabled paramilitaries) is crucial to destablize society to "destroy" things like america and other similar projects, because if for example you're getting shot to death for simply protesting, that is going to inspire retributive riots is it not? and those riots are likely to face similar consequences, are they not? therefore you destablize these societies and make possible more radical action, it's simple logic really

I'm surprised with all this happenings about Tesla dealerships and stuff, no one has done anything to the Heritage Foundation's Headquarters depite everyone seemingly understanding that's the brainstem of all this. Not even a picket sign or strongly worded wheatpaste.

>>2206080
>No action taken against it will ever have popular support. However, that can't matter. America MUST be destroyed.
Okay well, then your position is incoherent. You can't destroy a government without enough popular support to both form a powerful opposition and fill the resulting power vacuum. Insisting that it MUST be destroyed and rambling about how evil it is does nothing to change the fact that if your assessment of the class character of American workers is true (it's not) then its a futile endeavor. No government ever in the history of the world has been brought down by a tiny handful of nobodies with no institutional power or popular support. This the epitome of impotent seething, which would be fine if you'd just keep it to yourself.

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>>2203509
>America MUST be destroyed

>>2206282
My analysis of American workers is indisputable and correct. Yet, we still have to destroy America. There is no other option. This is the hand that reality has dealt to us and so we must act with what we have, not what we want.

>>2206296

Except America is much worse than Klendathu.

>>2206270
Because drama brained Americans can't be motivated or understand the world by anything other than personalities and caricatures. Hence their understanding of russia is putin bad. Their understanding of the American far right is orange man and car man bad. Syria? Dentist man bad.

>>2206334
this. narcissistic bourgeois individualism as the basis of all analysis

>>2203742
>Shlomo Sand
isn't he like a post-zionist who served in the IDF and then felt sad when his unit did some My Lai shit in front of him. But he still thinks Israel should exist because geopolitical inertia? What gives?

Iron Felix, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sabotage all 52 power plants in South Dakota within the next year, using molotov cocktails. That is an achievable rate of 1 power plant per week. I recommend acting under cover at midnight. Use corked 0.75L bottles filled 2/3s with petrol. tie storm matches to the side. This will require only 52 glass bottles, 52 corks, and 52 half liters of petrol. Act swiftly. Waste no more time writing articles.

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>>2203509
Didn’t read, agree with the title, but why do people like you always stop at “America”, implicitly claiming capitalism would be okay without the mutt race polluting it?
Why should any prole, even American proles, die for the benefit of the bourgeoisie?

>>2203623
Revisionism is when you say material forces and classes make history instead of individual personalities and their personal conspiracies

>>2208020
Use corked 0.75L bottles filled 2/3s with petrol.
Use bigger bottles. add oil and a thickener.

>>2206031
Why do socialists worship anti-communist butchers of the proletariat like Hezbollah instead of any other group or faction you can think of?
How can you call anyone else a strasserite when you get hard for bitter enemies of the working class solely because you really are a sad cunt shot through with white guilt that cheerleads for populist reactoids so long as they fight other populist reactoids in between slaughtering proletarians?


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