Can someone please explain to me how this ideology isn't just the psychical embodiment of edge? Ive been an anarchist for a long time, over a decade. Im that time, ive met some interesting people, many of whom were completely politically incoherent in their beliefs. And im not just talking about the internet exclusive lurkers, these were real people who went outside and had relationships and shit who were not internet brain rotted.
But Anarcho-Nihliism and Post left anarchism has just, well apart from convincing me egoist's are generally all assholes who use an ideology of selfishness as a justification for being a cunt and then still somehow getting surprised when you don't condone being an utter cunt, it offers no political platform that even seems to have a basis in trying to make it come to fruition with their end goal of a a hyper individualistic society that seems positively apocalyptic if you think about it for long enough.
Is their anyway to take them seriously as an ideology or do they deserve the same political considerations as one would a schizophrenic with multiple traumatic brain injuries?
none of these things are even "ideologies" in any meaningful sense, including whatever special brand of marxo with whatever characteristics. in an actual organization it at least makes some sense to talk about "marxism-leninism-maoism for the 21st century" or whatever as being the texts, ideas, and historical movements that inform the activity of the membership, even if the a la carte bullet point mix-match of ideas is still imo very silly and arbitrary, at least in that case there are existing movements basing their actions and political education of that set of ideas
calling yourself an "anarcho-nihilist", "mutualist", "council communist", "eco-marxist", etc etc so on and so on, its like an exercise in solipsistic worldbuilding where you build an identity around beliefs that almost no one at all is even aware of, let alone gives a fuck about. most of the different political """ideologies""" historically were factional disputes around particular questions, events, issues, etc. pulling them out of the past and treating them like some kind of cohesive "worldview" is painfully irrelevant, it means less than nothing, its actively obfuscationist.
all these nametag a la carte ideologies are is rhetorical costumes for a subculture, used the same way as someone who gets really into what band is ACTUALLY "punk" and who are just posers, and all the different obscure "subgenre" classifications that grow out of that and become so specific that they end up describing only a few actual bands and maybe 100 fans worldwide, so that talking about it as a "genre" in itself is obviously absurd to anyone not already immersed in it. and as pretentious and silly as the diehards of those little micro genres can be, at least theyre usually just innocuous dorks, ultimately. but treating politics like that, as the internet poisoned "left" seems to love doing, you end up having globally thousands of people whose "political activity" has nothing to do with "activity" at all because its about "what special kind of traits does YOUR communism/anarchist/special secret ideology have???" instead of doing a minimum of organizing.
apologize for the bullshit rant but it does make me angry running into people who are so delusional that they bring this stuff into organizing and think they have it all worked out because theyve been LARP shitposting for years, and then finally show up to where people are trying to do something and they make everything about irrelevant """ideological""" concerns
>>2204584>What the fuck is happening with Anarcho-Nihilism Nothing. You're 20 years to late.
But to reiterate for the thousandth fucking time, The modern post-left strains of anarchism and resurgence of older related writers came out of the total collapse and suppression of the left.
You'd realize this intuitively if you had a single critical braincell in your fucking head.
Sometimes it's better to say nothing and have a think than to spew out complete vomit like this.
again, fuck off back to reddit.
>>2204584Depends on the Anarcho-Nihilist. Last time I recalled, a group of anarcho-nihilists did a successful drive by shooting on some Nazis in Greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Neo_Irakleio_Golden_Dawn_office_shootingIn general though they're a faction within a faction. Outside of Greece however, they're pretty much nothing. That's not to say that the Cells of Fire within Greece are far from useless, far from it. I'm seeing bits and bobs in America, but wether or not they're generally anarchists or a bunch of trans-girls in a polycule forming a self-defence club with edgy aesthetics is unclear.
I don't particularly see them expanding outside of anywhere other than Greece.
>>2204635>I don't particularly see them expanding outside of anywhere other than Greece.(Someone please post the video of the nazi getting brained, thanks)
They expanded all over, especially when we consider fai, as the two projects largely becoming intertwined after the core of the first CCF generation were imprisoned. namely the project spread with attacks throughout Europe and latam mainly, with some also in seasia.. philippines for sure.
as i said though, at this point this is history, born out of its time and conditions. In current day we are clearly seeing a left resurgence.
Having said that the 'anarcho-Nihilism' of CCF is clearly not the same as we see elsewhere, still there retains a lot of leftism still in their work, clearly showing in both writing and praxis to be a more nuanced relationship with and involvement in the left than what would usually be considered for one who is 'post-left'.
BTW the Golden Dawn shooting was never tied to cells of fire, either in communique's nor proved through the courts. The insinuations by the press should only be treated as wild slander. Besides, it was nothing like CCF had done before, the just as spurious claims as to it being Nikos Maziotis or another RS member ironically probably carries more water, but not by much.
>>2204697>We talking anarcho-individualists or social-anarchists?We're talking explicitly about CCF?
How can you with any sincerity put them in either box?
>>2204891 (You)
and btw, you can just go back and rea the prison letters and communiques to see all this.
<t. i'm old enough to remember this all happening in real time, doing the solidarity stuff, etc.>>2204892a lot of these would say they are explicitly anti ideology.
>>2204980Did you really think this was insightful?
You're supposed to be a fully grown adult.
This website. I stg. where do these low tism score specimens come from i'll never understand.
>>2204584>The anarcho-nihilist position is essentially that we are fucked. That the current manifestation of human society (civilization, leviathan, industrial society, global capitalism, whatever) is beyond salvation, and so our response to it should be one of unmitigated hostility. There are no demands to be made, no utopic visions to be upheld, no political programs to be followed — the path of resistance is one of pure negation. In short, “that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility.”This is what is written about anarcho-nihilism in the book "Blessed is the Flame", in short there intentionally is no political program.
I would ask you to please not get your information from YouTube videos made as a joke that are sourced from Political Compass shit, you're not gonna learn anything if that's where you get your information. Read a book.
>>2205387And yet still right :)
Peepeepoopoo reactionaries
>>2205395Look jannies.
a prime example that your promotion of 'funposting' was always a mistake.
The asocial aspergers shutins who find themselves on imageboards will only ever find fun in shitting the place up.
>>2205397>asocialMeanwhile promoting the most asocial punk ass individualist reactionary ideology there is
XDDDDD
>>2205403Find for me the antisemitic resolution made by the Kronstadt rebels
Protip: You can't.
>>2205417My bad, I accidentally deleted the post :^)
So basically there's no proof this resolution was ever made?
>>2205414>Makhno >anti-semiteCome the fuck on, dude.
https://www.nestormakhno.info/english/makfaq/h_6_9.htmIt's also bad enough that you have folks like badmouse that are able to debunk a lot of the claims made over Kronstadt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpnw1QmWBLY&t=1004shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cujXvT1ZSq8&t=348s >>2205444 (trips)
I will watch this, thank you.
>>2204584As someone with unironic anarcho-nihilist tendencies allow me to explain. For me the philosophy only makes sense situated in the present historical context. Capital has won and we're all more or less waiting around to die. I am also intensely skeptical of any proposed alternatives because the left does not have its shit together. Out of intellectual humility I don't propose a solution either, other than to reject unjustified authority. I'm also tired. Putting too much effort into politics is a waste, since unless you're one of the 0.001%, your voice doesn't matter. Internet politics especially is at best, a bad recreation.
All I know is the people in charge don't belong there, and the first step to a better world is for them to not be there. What comes after that, I leave it to be sorted out, but until I find an authority I can acknowledge, my default state is to reject it as illegitimate.
Maybe through this rejective, eliminativist mentality where we keep rejecting authorities we don't like we'll eventually arrive at a solution unconsciously.
This is all anarcho-nihilism means to me. If that's edge, then *shrug*
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