The fact of the matter is that in most, if not all, Arab and Muslim countries, women are discriminated against as a matter of course, from citizenship laws to inheritance to paternalistic familial structures and domestic abuse. This is clearly not a purely Muslim or Arab affair, since, with perhaps the exception of Scandinavia, it exists in various degrees throughout the world. But the fact of the matter is that even if it’s often used as a pro-Israel or neocon club to bludgeon Arabs on other, unrelated issues like the Israel/Palestine conflict, that doesn’t make the charge less true.
I look at it as being similar to Soviet charges against US treatment of black citizens. Did pointing out the Jim Crow laws make Siberian gulags or Eastern European oppression any more acceptable? Of course not, although it may have scored Moscow some points in the world arena by pointing out American hypocrisy. At the end of the day, though, the answer to Stalinist accusations of racism should have been the civil rights movement, not a denial of segregation. Likewise, to my mind, the oppression of women and minorities and homosexuals in the Mideast is not directly related to the Arab/Israeli conflict, but it is very important to me, and I don’t see that there’s any contradiction in my struggle to fight for my wife’s right to marry who she pleases, legally own land and work at any job she wants to in Lebanon and her right to return to and live in Haifa.
I don’t think that the knee-jerk reaction that many people, especially those who don’t live in the region, have to dismiss any and all criticism of Arab or Muslim states and/or societies as hasbara for Israel is helpful at all. In fact, it plays into the rhetoric of pro west puppet Arab states that justifies theocratic apartheid tier laws in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and censorship laws where literally slavery is legal. For my part, an equitable solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict should be about self determination for Palestinians, not about supporting an overarching religion at all cost.
The point is not to attack Islam it is to not pretend it is some noble cause above all. Its okay to critique, it's not perfect, especially as a Marxist it is okay to do so.
351 posts and 54 image replies omitted.>>2222201Orientalist post and miopic point of view, how many fundamentalists and reactionaries has the west created throughout the Arab world for the past centuries?
The only people who criticize Islam nowadays in the west are racists and and right wingers, and only in the most sensationalist and inflammatory ways.
Wonder then why no one is looking at the social rules and cultures of these nations when they are being funded by the wealthiest one on earth, compared to the US morals the middle east is an utopia, European churches and hospitals are not being bombed by Iran, the US government was not toppled by Iraq or Afghanistan in revenge for Palestine.
The only savage here is the Western hemisphere and the Christian Zionist zeitgeist.
That's the face of Neo liberalism and Moralism from the west.
>>2233077>The only people who criticize Islam nowadays in the west are racists and and right wingers>The only savage here is the Western hemisphere and the Christian Zionist zeitgeistjust say you want the caliphate bro
>That's the face of Neo liberalism and Moralism from the west.you are literally a seething moralist though
>>2244472By definition. You want society to have the right thoughts and abandon religion by mere discussions? By convincing them really hard? Then what would that achieve? Nothing. It doesn't move society forward in any way.
Pure. Idealism.
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<ACTUALLY, CHILD MARRIAGE AND WOMEN BEING BARRED FROM EDUCATION IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S ANTI-IMPERIALIST. SHUT UP YOU DUMB BITCH YOU CAN LEARN TO READ LATER YOU FUCKING WHORE DON'T YOU KNOW THAT ISRAEL IS RACIST?
The vast majority of posters here, and the mod team who constantly ban people for "zionism" when they point this contradiction out, are just stealth, right-wing bigots who turn their focus from the "jews" to US imperialism (and jews, see the thread where everyone is openly discussing conducting a genocide on them, going as far to say that all Jews are Zionists). They don't actually give a fuck about people in Muslim countries, because if they did, they would want them to be liberated from reactionary Islam. No, they just use "anti-imperialism" as a mask to hide their underlying intent of America evil, Jews genetically evil, so let's cling to this to lend credibility. Nobody that actually cares about people, particularly women but it affects everyone, would sit at their computer in their little suburb, handwaving the Taliban when they dissect a little girl from running away from the pedophile she sold to.
Theoretical socialism has a world-wide character to it so anyone pushing forward the thought that you can't criticize "exploited" countries/ethnicities are just doing liberalism. "Now isn't the time" is such an ironic echo when the motto of Marxism is "ruthless criticism" and before Gaza became the big topic, we really didn't have this problem. It's only now with the acceleration of RT propaganda astroturfing this "anti-imperialism = liberal contrarianism" ideology.
>>2277494Anti-islamism is super popular in anti-deutsche types, who are cultural Marxist Zionists and antifa anarchist Zionists.
It's so obvious what this poster's ambitions are.
>>2277616Yeah I was thinking they seem german as well lol. The antideutch are the worst example of it, but I think that kind of zionist Islamophobic brainrot is very prevalent in any lib left/anarchist tendency over there.
Fucking dogs of the empire man fr, didn't learn a thing
>>2277490one thread tells me russia is le bad because they buy and sell things with israel, in another i'm told that russia is le bad because they are spreading anti-americanist anti-semitist contrarianist propaganda
who should i believe?
>>2277757You sound just like a zionist cocksucker and use the exact same rhetoric and talking points of deflecting
DEATH TO JUDAISM, DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO CHRISTIANITY
DEATH TO ALL
>>2277817NUKE ISRAEL, NUKE PALESTINE, NUKE SAUDI ARABIA, NUKE THE VATICAN, NUKE EUROPE, NUKE AMERICA, NUKE IRAN, NUKE RUSSIA, NUKE ALL EXCEPT CHINA, VIETNAM AND THE DPRK
DESTROY ALL MUSLIM UYGHURS IN CHINA, DESTROY ALL CHRISTIANS IN CHINA, DESTROY ALL RELIGGER MINORITIES IN CHINA
>>2277858Evidence??
Did you consider that it was real in their mind?
>>2277893 (me)
I mean, those shills don't even use the terms 'Third Worldist' or 'Sakaist'. They don't even know basic online communist terminology, OP and his shill fellas would've used one of those terms atleast once if he was from here.
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