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Can we admit that weed culture sucks and is actually destructive for society's well being?
Alcohol sucks too. Drugs shouldn't be banned but drug subculture is cringe. Drug addiction shouldn't be a culture. Psychoactive substances only increase mental health problems and are a detriment for your body. Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive but every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks such as cooking and self grooming. It's why the crusty stoner who reeks of sweat and pot is a well known stereotype.

If you have an issue with drug-culture, you should look at the circumstances under which it emerged. If the economic system is a violent killing-machine that regularly causes wars and measures people by the amount of profit they can generate for people they do not even know, it is natural that people will seek a safe-haven in sub-cultures - especially sub-cultures that entail sedation for recreative purposes, because it helps you take your mind off your shitty everyday life.

>>2238383
>Can we admit that weed culture sucks and is actually destructive for society's well being?
No
>Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive
Sounds like you are. Being unproductive in a capitalist system is, in fact, a good thing.
>every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks
Hasty generalization. I smoked pot heavily every day from 2020 to 2023 while holding down a high paying job which allowed me to purchase a home in a low COL area. The only reason I stopped smoking was to start trying for a kid with the wife. Granted, I started smoking in my twenties rather than in my teens; kids really should be kept away from substances, on that we agree.

>>2238387
Humans need to be productive to survive dipshit. It's just that the level of production demanding by capitalism is way higher than what we need for our subsistence level.

>>2238386
>system is a violent killing-machine
Nature is a violent killing machine.

>>2238393
>Humans need to be productive to survive dipshit.
Irrelevant, we're not talking about human survival we're talking about an exploitative capitalist system built on the backs of laborers in the global south. And furthermore, because the level of productivity required for subsistence is much lower than the level required for the profit of the owning class whatever impact to productivity weed may have would not impede subsistence.

It will simply end up like other drugs taxed and sold in stores, the subculture is becoming mainstream and will fade away. I'm just glad it isn't like alcohol, people don't get crushed or have their fingers cut off at work because of it.

>>2238401
Recreational drugs are for people too weak to rawdogg life. Nietzsche was right

>>2238395
I believe that many who fall into hardcore drug use are acutely sensitive to the alienation bred by capitalism. Addiction is not a moral failing or merely a health issue.

t.drug user

>>2238383
Weed anon will call you a wodigger and a religger

>>2238430
True, but drug addiction isn't inherently a bad thing. The reality is everyone is addicted to all sorts of bullshit. It's that society doesn't understand how to treat addiction.

>>2238434
I don't care. It's ok if he enjoys weed but his hobby or addiction isn't inherently special or revolutionary

>>2238435
>drug addiction isn't inherently a bad thing
pure addict cope lol

>>2238438
You will care when he sees this thread

>>2238439
I ment weed addiction. For most people it only destroys your lungs if you smoke it but it won't destroy your brain the same way benzos or alcohol would. I could be wrong since there is more research into the latter two

>>2238460
its not an either/or though
most people are addicted to sugar today, or porn, or twitter - but addiction is never healthy regardless

>>2238435
>It's that society doesn't understand how to treat addiction.
And it never wil under capitalism.

https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/what-hashish-did-to-walter-benjamin/

>In a letter of 1932 to Gershom Scholem, Benjamin outlines his literary ambitions; he plans four major books, one of which would have been on hashish.

"yeah dude I'm totally gonna write a book about this shit" bro you're so fucking high, bro…bro.

>could it be the economic system making drug culture like that and making stoners depressed as everyone else
>no it's the weed, remove that and they'll levitate by their bootstraps
It's not the weed. I don't even do drugs/weed other than coffee and chamomile and I've had days forgetting to eat and weeks forgetting to shower.

>>2238511
>chamomile and I've had days forgetting to eat and weeks forgetting to shower.
How can you get high off that shit kek?

just say you cant hang lmao

>>2238565
Hang what?

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>>2238383
>be federal agent monitoring online activity
>an imageboard of drug users goes down (coworkers successfullymanaged to confiscate the server)
>be sipping glowing coffee
>notice the drug posters are migrating to a leftoid imageboard
>notice that the drug posters are integrating
>spitting glowing coffee.jpg
>call your co-glowies to stop this immidiately
>the glowie in charge tells you to make them into soyjaks and defame them
>SIR YES SIR
<Hello fellow leftists, communist socialists, did you know that weed is degenerate antisocial and for negroes unsuccessful losers? If Stalin was here he would rape and kill drug users haha, look how soy and cringe they are. Strong aryans proletarians don't need drugs, in fact medicine is for pussies and weed smokers be like "its not a drug brooo its medicine" ha ha.
>your coworkers bump reply your post
>notice that the post is getting reported for breaking rules 7), 11), 14) a) b) c) d) e) f) g), 15)
>almost choke laughing as you realize you became a mod
>the west is saved

Think there's probably a responsible line which sees drug addition (e.g tobacco) as an illness which should be treated, and prevented, and is maybe less concerned with substances which are merely psychologically addictive (e.g. weed).

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Anti-addiction is the worst product of addiction.

only fascists hate weed

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>>2238412
>nietzsche wuz right, drugs are for weak, I am ze ubermensch
No pretty sure you're the subhuman, drugs are being used to extend the lifespan in pharmacology and the cognitive function.

oh my god fuck off entirely. Alcohol will literally kill you to death from liver failure if you drink too much of it at once. It is literally impossible to smoke or ingest enough THC to kill yourself. Alcohol prevents you from driving safely entirely, I ALWAYS drive while stoned as FUCK and have never crashed or had even a minor accident. A subculture being 'cringe' is absolutely no basis to deem something 'destructive for society's well being', it is a personal subjective opinion. Yes, i agree that 'stoner' culture is 'cringe', i don't give a fuck.

You could replace the 'pothead' in your pithy meme with 'person on SSRIs' or 'person on antidepressents' and it would make just as much sense.

>>2238412
>Nietzsche
weak willed pussy for ppl with a follower mentality

>>2238383
OP is a fag
fpbp

>>2238609
>Glowies: *makes drug that turns you into a lazy retard legal*
<Hey maybe something's up, we shouldn't become lazy retards
>Leftypol: "shut up glowie reeee"

I kind of miss weed, but honestly after having quit for a few months my mind is a lot clearer and my memory is noticeably better. Plus, I got too anxious on it, if I got too high I kept feeling like I couldn't breath or swallow andI had to focus on breathing. Also I was getting "greenovers" and couldn't function 100% the next day.

I don't know if it's because I was ingesting mid "legal" weed from the local dispensaries; maybe some pure dank from a local dealer or the darkweb wouldn't fuck me up. But at this point I think it's better for me to just not do it anymore; I'll stick to the occasional sake/wine for now.

>>2238777
Seriously why has no one even brought up that heroin production in Afghanistan skyrocketed after the Americans took over. Or how in places like Ecuador or Mexico every time a pro American candidate wins suddenly there's drugs everywhere and gangs take control? Retarded druggies look at that and don't find it super suspicious? For all the talk of expanding the mind druggies are always the most retarded segment of society. Think back to school and university. Who were the people who kept smoking drinking and doing drugs? That's right the failures who failed every class they went to.

Weed should only be legal for autists and people with glaucoma

>>2238777
Most of the world is still being imprisioned and killed over it and the conventions glowies made.
Disillusioned american retards only see liberal figures parading it and believe that it makes you retarded, why not stop brushing your teeth by that logic since so many liberal glitterboys advertise toothbrushes in the most obnoxious way possible?

>>2238790
That implies you admit it has benefits, but reject it being used freely by those who desire, this kind of bullshit is the reason black markets open.

>>2238675
>react channel
>1 month ago
How many years can someone keep doing that while remaining sane. I was in elementary school when the react channels started.

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>>2238785
Druggies are the ones wanting the drug war to end, the only ones fueling it are glowies and reactionary retards. The cartels are your fault. Prohibitionists are the ones benefitting from cartels making themselves unaccountable to the laws.

>>2238777
>>2238785
Weed legalization has been an ongoing, grassroots campaign for almost a century at this point. Heroin production was a top-down condition imposed upon farmers by warlords with American backing. Totally different.

>>2238804
Legalization is still reformism, there is no point in asking for reforms from the same mafia that has ruined so many lives. They only legalize if they find it profitable. NGOs and liberals keep users and their supporters disillusioned, the only way out right now would require class war. Only "progressive" bourgeoisie nations get to reap the benefits, the rest enforce the conventions and repress their own populations. Most of the world doesn't live in western nations. The "federal" model of governance has been a thin veil to let mafia overlords to keep their illegal markets going for personal profit, rather than "each country choosing for itself" (the illusion of soverignty). The EU is an incubator for fascist oligarchs, the "progressive" fascist oligarchs act as such because their supporter base is enough to push them. Politicial entites are prostitutes for money. The only reason some decide to legalize is if it is deemed more profitable for them, when the tide is not towards them the black markets ensure they receive the personal profit rather than the explicit from the voters. A big factor has to do with the "development" of the country or the growth of its own bourgeoisie, the western ones are already rich enough to not be going after cannabis as a means of personal profit via unregulated businesses, instead they find it better to appeal to their voter base.

To beg for a "progressive politician" in a shithole like a christian, islamic fundamentalist country would be as futile as beggining for a genocide to exterminate the religious conservative vermin.
This problem persists irregardless if its the left or right of capital, here you have the KKE assholes, conservative stalinists and a russian "communist" party in the Duma making love to orthodox priests. These vermin should be exterminated, they are red businesses, not communists. They don't seek to change the present state of affairs.
The supporter base that comes from them goes on the internet, former /pol/ users "deconvert" to stalinist reactionaries instead, play-pretend antifa yet see it fitting to belittle others for their lifestyle, even going as far as to stagnate research in chemistry out of spite that drugs are inherently bad, that they possess no "good" properties in spite of pharmacology being drugs.
The mods themselves are much like this, since they allow these red fascists to stigmatize working people who are already at threat of being arrested for their choice of a drug, generalizing drug users (focusing on cannabis) as unproductive in spite of the rules against the generalization of groups. These same conservative stalinists are always one step away from writing of killing all jews "because most of them are zionist". The same conservative stalinists, ex-/pol/ "deconverts" who coddle up to christian and islamic garbage now.

>>2238825
The reason Zionists are not included in the "to beg for progressives in a fundamentalist country" is that they have already painted themselves as "progressives", they live on american money and have already undergone the process of legalization for medical, but have not yet stepped into recreational since they know the retarded warmongering rabbis will lose their shit over youths getting high and not going to war. It is the same strategy the US used switching back from reefer madness to hemp for victory.

>>2238825

Μην αγχώνεσαι καθόλου: Και εσύ θα έχεις τη θέση σου στον νέο-Μελιγαλά.

As someone who does smoke weed I'll be the first to admit that weed culture is cringe, but it's due to the level of production that a capitalist system demands from its workers that makes us have to rely on substances. It's fucking painful carrying the upper class on your back.

>>2238830
>>2238830
Ούτε το θέμα της Μακεδονίας δεν μπορείς να τακτοποιήσεις, πόσο μάλλον να κάνεις πόλεμο.

What the fuck is "weed culture"? Wearing hemp hoodies and rasta colored slippers? Who fucking cares lmao.

>destructive to society

Out of all the things you pick weed? You're obviously a 4chan refugee so do you feel that 4chan was equally destructive to society?

>>2238796
Alcohol was illegal at some point too, glowies then realized it's impossible to outlaw so they moved on to the second most popular drug, weed. It's not some conspiracy to hide the revolutionary potential of some sacred herb, glowies just need a scapegoat to beat up lazy retards

>>2238383
The state has no right to tell someone what they can do with their own body.
Sure there are downsides but when asked to draw a line on what control the state should have over the bodies of free men I choose no control at all.

>>2238834

Τη τα θες ρε χαμένο κορμί, έγω είμαι ανοιχτός εαμοβουλγαρος. Κανε μου ότι κατηγορία θέλεις. Σου διαβεβαιώνω ότι είμαι χειρότερος. Σταλινικός? Ο Σταλιν δεν έσφαξε καθόλου αρκετά (ιδιαίτερα στην Ευρώπη, η πιο εκφυλισμένη ήπειρο του κόσμου, εκτός από τη Βόρεια Αμερική)

Άιντε τώρα πάρε τη δόση σου και πνίξει στο εμετό σου, να ξεβρωμίσει λίγο ο τόπος.

>>2238853

Nothing has any right to anything inherently. Rights are an abstraction of social relations, which require enforcement to become actual.

What does or does not happen in society is socially determined, for all things in that society, including bodies.

Further your wording betrays your fundamentally liberal/bpurgeois conception of the human body, as a piece of property that is privately owned.

>>2238855
Αδιάκριτη συμπεριφορά από Χρυσή Αυγή.

>>2238862
>human body, as a piece of property that is privately owned
Yes, are you so against private property that if the group decides they need a fucktoy to improve moral and it's going to be you that's ok?

>>2238867
The reality is that if a sufficiently large group decides you're the fuck toy there's nothing you can do about it except poison them/kill them in their sleep.

>>2238870
I consider that a violation of your basic rights, you consider that fine if it's for a greater good.

>>2238871
Oh I'm NTA, I don't believe in right or wrong or rights to begin with.

the argument always was that its a gateway drug
>remembers a girl on a scooter with a heroin kids shirt…

>>2238872
It's late and I need to head to bed but I'll make a thread tomorrow asking about this because I can't comprehend anyone "not believing in rights".

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>>2238876
>inherent rights
Do you know where you are? You seem lost.

>>2238863

Χαχαχα! Ρε ηλίθιε είμαι Εβραίος. Ο Σαλονικιός παππούς γλίτωσε.

Αλλά εντάξει είμαι πιο θανατηφόρος απ'τον χρυσαυγητη, που έχει την ψευδαίσθηση ότι ο ελληνικός λαός δεν είναι βρώμικος, χαμένος λαός όπως όλους τους άλλους στο κόσμο.

Μόνο ένα γοσπλαν που σχεδιάζει και ελέγχει τα πάντα έχει τη πιθανότητα να διορθώσει που σήμερα βαφτίζεται "άνθρωπος".

>>2238881

αυτό πού

>>2238881
Speak English you gyro ass mutherfuckas

>>2238881
Δεν αποτελεί έκπληξη το γεγονός ότι η χρυσή αυγή δέχεται έβραίους στην οργάνωσή τους τώρα.

>>2238845
weed is destructive because no one thinks it is.

>>2238870

I am the one who this reply >>2238862 and want to thank for giving the concrete retort to the lost lib.

He not only doesn't realize that rights are the abstraction of social relations, but he seems to think ownership of a body is some sort of objective or inherent property.

I mean the obvious way to make him interrogate his views is to ask him if typical modern government prohibitions on the ability to sell one's body, including into slavery, are uploading rights or violation of rights.

But I don't know maybe you have a better strategy.

>>2238383
>Muh bourgeois civil society
Who fucking cares?

>>2238888
Your mom sucked a thousand dicks because no one thought she did.

>>2238891
"To make the individual sacred we must destroy the social order which crucifies him. And this problem can only be solved by blood and iron."
Liberals want a handout through slogans "my body my choice". If it was theirs then why would they shout those slogans in the first place, would it not be apparent to begin with? They seem to think that their "rights" are "being trampled", even though the same "rights" are just a permission from the instrument of repression of the ruling class. They are pacified to be beggars.

>>2238886

Μα είσαι τόσο ηλίθιος που δεν έχεις καταλάβει ακόμη δεν με νοιάζει ότι και να μου κατηγορείς.

Σου το ξανά λέω: Είμαι χειρότερος απ'τον χρυσαυγητη. Ο μίσος που έχει αυτός για το ξένο, εγώ το έχω για όλους τους λαούς. Είμαι ξεκάθαρος ολοκληρωτικός (με την έννοια που τρομάζει τον φιλελεδω στον ύπνο του).

Όλη η γη να γίνει Μελιγαλάς.

>>2238898

I mean I personally do not really believe the individual exists. If it does, I don't fundamentally care about it (just another constraint to manage).

>>2238904

Still though I agree that ownership of the body is not inherent, objective, etc. and the liberals' very behaviour does sort of betray this reality in practice.

Yeah but I don't want to see people go to jail over it. It's pretty clear from the research that it makes people paranoid, fucks with their memory and other problems. I understand some people tolerate it more but I am not convinced of any of its benefits. Even the pain stuff, which is not why 99% of people are taking it because they don't have hospice level terminal cancer, is pretty poorly proven. There was a study showing most people take it for entirely made up reasons.

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Dude weed is awesome get off your moral horse that isn't high and 420 blaze it (can't say the last part because this isn't 420chan anymore

420chan really was a containment board, now we're stuck with dumb druggies shitting up leftypol

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>>2238899
>Σου το ξανά λέω: Είμαι χειρότερος απ'τον χρυσαυγητη. Ο μίσος που έχει αυτός για το ξένο, εγώ το έχω για όλους τους λαούς. Είμαι ξεκάθαρος ολοκληρωτικός (με την έννοια που τρομάζει τον φιλελεδω στον ύπνο του).
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>2238909
I smoked it a couple of times because it took care of some of the inflammation in my joints but after a while it did fuck all and just gave me a headache afterwards.
So I dropped it. but all drugs reduce pain and joint stiffness. Even beer takes the edge off. So I agree it's overrated when it comes to dealing with chronic pain.

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>>2238917
ohhh nooo im going to come tickle you while i get high oooooo im so spooky ooooohhhh

>>2238917
You can go back to 4chan Pol to hang out with the straight edge sigmas.
oh wait lol

>>2238904
Why are MLs so aggressively devoted to being fascists instead of reading Marx
>Muh individual doesn’t exist
Yes we seek to abolish bourgeois society, not reify it to own libs

>dude just let people enjoy things

>>2238942
so what is that, a $1000 of honey or something? i bet more than that is thrown away every day

>>2238945
you have lots of skin flaps and parts of your body that havent been washed in years because you cant even access them under the fat rolls

>>2238942
What does this have to do with bees? Are you suggesting weed is harming the environment?
>>2238945
By orders of magnitude, yeah. A single prole couldn't possibly waste more food than a supermarket does at the end of each week, especially sweets. Honey has a decent shelf life but still gets wasted rather than given out.

>>2238951
>Are you suggesting weed is harming the environment?
yes you moron. you think weed farms are helping it?

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>>2238942
"My grasslands, my Organic Honey, my beehive."

>>2238952
Well you could've been more direct with that instead of speaking in riddles.
Industrial farming in it's current state is pretty harsh on the environment yeah, that goes for any crop (except maybe kelp but I haven't looked into that too deeply).
It'd be better to farm weed via permaculture gardening.

>>2238952
On hemp cultivation it's the opposite to paper. On cannabis for recreational use, you blame the industry, not the allowance for personal use that revolves around obtaining seeds and growing it in pots inside your home. Malta has it that way, there is no industry, only "clubs" for growers.
To shift the blame on the plant rather than the mode of production that permits or encourages industrial farming is retarded.
Of course they're going to attempt it, its inevitable. Stagnating won't resolve the issue. The way Malta has it, is that its not for commercial sale. That's what prevents there being an industry behind it. It can be allowed by the state while still being prohibited for commercial sale, forcing people to grow it themselves, but punishing any notion of entrepeneurship / making profit off of it.
Either way its a minimal issue. Even if we suppose that they allow it and jump straight to commercializing it and make farms it will be an ant shit compared to everything else.

>>2238966
>On hemp cultivation it's the opposite to paper.
Even so its not a solution, it won't happen. Greenwashing makes it seem like it will replace paper and save trees, it won't. If its not profitable they won't do it. We're stuck with what we have right now. The same logic with oil, why look for switching to alternatives when they can keep making profit until it runs dry?
The more commodities are looked at the more apparent the issue is. If we have to be completely "ecological" then we should just declare a jihad against civilization and kill every person that moves, at that point, why not just join a pre-existing "brand" like ISIS? They seem eco-friendly. ITS has not managed what ISIS has managed. ITS should probably just merge with ISIS.

>>2238976
very boilerplate
>If it's not profitable
Hemp paper has a growing market share, it's getting more profitable.
>If we want to be completely "ecological" then [the premise of ecofascism]
Humans are part of the environment and ecology, and yes humans are animals if you're gonna pull that card. Animal is a cellular description, not a moral one.
>What about le ISIS
I really don't think some abrahamic fascist group would "care" any more about the environment than any other faction.

>>2238976
Then again, this site isn't for eco trash, pleasure for workers is worth more than the dying planet. It really is. It seems like a catch, how would the workers be more important than the planet? But the declassed, lumpen and petite cannot lead a "revolution" to save the planet, it can only be the workers. If a worker is suffering from the retardation of having to argue with religious vermin infiltrating the workers' movement and bullshitting everyone, the stresses of life, the uncaring and alienated subhumans who use the same labels as him and various others issues that come with the existence of a person in the current social order (we can list practically anything that pisses us off here), then they should have a way to take the edge off and stop giving a shit about all of the pointless noise that acts all pomptous and knowing on how they should live their life for the revolution to appear once the conditons are favorable. The impression is that the pleasure will somehow "degradate" the workers as if they don't already know how fucked over they are being and make them unfit. That's not the case, its an oversimplification. A worker with class consciousness knows his situation all too well, a liberal minded worker does not but he does not experience the same stresses either. A liberal worker is a retard who does not pay attention to the world around him and has aspirations of becoming rich. For that he rejects any sort of "pleasures" that will prevent him from "becoming rich", such as drugs - seeing them as a waste of money or an impairment.
The worker with class consciousness waits and bothers himself with his work and similar minded people even if they disagree with him or piss him off, they are his closest "family" since they know all too well how screwed over they are. In order to not suffer from this immense anhedonia and repetitive boredness the worker can utilize drugs for as long as it takes until a noteworthy reason to quit comes. There is no reason for the worker to quit any sort of addiction if it fuels him to continue his routine until an opportunity to break away from it is there. This continuation persists in the form of monotonous boredom and repetitive tasks. A retarded worker like previously mentioned - the liberal worker, has no issue with monotony and bothers himself with pop culture and other nonsense turning himself into an even more avid consumer than the drug users - irregardless if workers or hobos. The difference in consciousness and self-awareness presents itself in that way. The liberal will shun the knowing one for trying to change his mind through the use of substances, simoulationsly attempting to rearrange what he knows with the application of psychoactive or other varying mind-altering substances to come up with answers to conundrums and dead-ends the liberal worker has no idea of. The liberal worker does not have class consciousness and does not bother to analyze the situation, but only thinks of "self-improvement", easily persuaded by useless advise given from pop culture. The stoner worker is done with bullshit, the critic (irregardless if a member of the working class) is full of bullshit. The only way the stoner can truly relax is to hope that one day all such critics will be murdered for wasting time and tiring him down. That comes with the end of the critic's lies, which are not really his, but what has been given to him by the bourgeoisie, he believes it to be his since he can identify with their promises of self-fullfilment without the use of drugs. The bourgeoisie can easily switch the narrative, but there is a general behavior that has been cultivated and developed where the norm that the worker who is unable to analyze the present situation is persuaded towards becomes inevtiable. First curiosity, then skepticism, then outright fear and then demonization. The ruling class which holds the interest to repress those who think the wrong way will attempt to push this pattern in every hole and every little flaw they can find. It will start with an attempt of an admission, likewise "come on you have to admit, weed can be addictive" and then slowly and gradually a slippery slope towards "you don't need it, its harmful, it causes cancer, it causes schizophrenia" and so on irregardless if there is any credibility or truth to it in an attempt to either make the thinker, the realized one, submit and give up out of peer pressure or be alienated and mocked. It is a 24/7 nonstop barrage of lies and slander. What we must do, is write over and over again, that we want to exterminate all who perpuate this sick forced state of sobriety that has presented itself by the name "The War On Drugs" and insist that every agent which has participated in it must be exteriminated one day. It's a vow for redemption. The one day should come with class war, they should not be treated as "comrades" irregardless if they use the same etiquttes or not, the only thing they wish for is a new mode of repression. The parasites which drain your life energy cannot be reasoned with, they will make you die of thirst if you give them too much land. Some of them might be "fooled", some might do it consciously and know that they are traitors, others be it impulsively as a reaction given by the established norms and stigmas surrounding drugs, but the importantance of not having to think about this pointless noise that wears you down or be there to experience it or be deprived of experiencing a change in chemistry is most important for the survival of those who are conscious enough to understand without having to have it explained over and over again. See the quotes of PiHKAL and TiHKAL - a person who knows, recognizes the importance instantly. It does not need to be explained to him what importance chemistry can hold. A worker already with their mind set on a goal oriented towards scientific socialism will inherently know the importance of chemistry, botany and self-experimenting with drugs in dire times like this or the greatness of using them. It is pointless to try to explain it towards a non-user, unless they desire to learn with the right intention and attitude, the worker who knows the situation is aware of this, that is why the most rational way to argue with the critics, who are like religious preachers to an analyist, is that they can only dissapear once they are dead with their beliefs and attitudes.

>>2239004
>Humans are part of the environment and ecology, and yes humans are animals if you're gonna pull that card. Animal is a cellular description, not a moral one.
Nonono it wasn't a suggestion, in fact I call for death to all eco trash. Just presented the conclusion of "its not ecologically viable". The solution is to kill whoever writes that garbage and prevents your high. There is really no other way around it. Stuck ups cannot be fixed they must be exterminated. Look at how the asshole jumped to "ecology" on the subject of weed, hopefully somebody burns his house down while he's sleeping. Sadly these things exist and spread like cancer on any place you can find for conversation, its impossible to find a place where everyone knows what they're talking about. The spaces are always infested with little cancers that object to reality and experiments.
>I really don't think some abrahamic fascist group would "care" any more about the environment than any other faction.
Its not that they care, its that their actions are inherently regressive.

And it goes on like:
<Kill them for simply disagreeing with you?
They root for the arrests and deaths of drug users, they cheer, they support it and support stigmatization of drug users, denying any of the great effects and denying any potentiality for farthering the practices and farther studies. We can only hope that they all become extinct, the sooner the better would be away with reactionary trash. They don't even consider themselves reactionary, but so what? They are opposed to change, it doesn't matter what label they rally by. And its not just "change for the sake of change" but change in specific fields, change in the human interaction with substances, which has as many speculative promises as science fiction. A lot of them have become a reality and yet reactionaries will deny. Of course they've become a reality in the capitalist mode of production which is besides the intention, so they've been "perverted" (or made to tend towards the current), but the retardation is so vast they cannot imagine the potentiality of them outside of the present mode of production. Again, for this retardation, these retards should die as soon as possible. There is no way to argue with such retards, call them any name and they keep going, fueled by the lies they coincidentally did not come up with on their own observation but learned from the fucking status quo, which so happens to be tilted towards the war on drugs.

>>2239014
There is no time for spell checking or consistency. This whole thread is repugnant and the moderators are bastards like the OP. Reading through it will present some inconsistencies such as
>that is why the most rational way to argue with the critics,
cut off by
>who are like religious preachers to an analyist, is that they can only dissapear once they are dead with their beliefs and attitudes.
it's already apparent, its self-explanatory. A stringed out message of "death to the war on drugs and its agents", the most rational way is by murder. It's very misfortunate that none of us can create realities.
Either way it's readable. Simple to understand. The only way it cannot be understood is by denial. There is only one way out of assholes like the OP and all who endrose his message. If you have nothing to live for, its still not worth doing adventurism. There ought to be a historic opportunity to fuck over all reactionares irregardless if they are honest about their character or present themselves as allies.

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>>2239014
The piece argues that in our decaying society, the pleasure and well-being of conscious, class-aware workers should be prioritized over environmental concerns or moralistic critiques, especially from liberals or critics aligned with bourgeois values. These critics, often internalized agents of capitalist repression, push sobriety and stigmatize drug use as harmful or weak. In contrast, the class-conscious worker understands his exploitation and may use substances like weed not as escapism, but as a means of coping with monotony, alienation, and systemic violence.

The liberal worker, lacking awareness and trapped in aspirations of wealth and productivity, sees drugs as obstacles rather than tools. He's distracted by pop culture and personal advancement, failing to recognize or challenge his own exploitation. The conscious worker, on the other hand, may use mind-altering substances to explore, reflect, and survive mentally until conditions are ripe for revolutionary change.

The author believes attempts to shame or correct such use are tools of bourgeois control, equating these critics with traitors or religious zealots. Ultimately, the piece calls for total rejection—and even violent removal—of those enforcing the oppressive sobriety norms of the "War on Drugs," framing this as part of a larger class war.

I asked chat gpt to summarize this cause holy shit man use paragraphs

>>2239029
>Not killing yourself and everyone you know for hedonism is moralist
Kill every single person on this website
I mean it

>>2239014
>It really is. It seems like a catch, how would the workers be more important than the planet? But the declassed, lumpen and petite cannot lead a "revolution" to save the planet, it can only be the workers.
Besides eco trash only want to save the planet by exterminating humanity or bringing it down to no mode of production, to a slave economy or to a hunter gatherer society. These are not only undeseirable, but the worst of reaction. The worst of reaction which only fucked up geeks can fantasize and masturbate around, since they do not realize what they wish for. Its programmed in that way, to glorify savagery, a fascist's fantasy for an everlasting stagnation if we discard what used to be of futurist influences and look at the contemporary view.

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>>2239033
You should really smoke some weed and chill out man

>>2239029
>but as a means of coping
Much more than "coping", a "cope" can be anything SSRIs for depression to binge eating out boredom (those are pretty terrible ways to utilize substances), drugs have the potentiality to outright serve as an improvement on the human condition more than a crutch, the deniers and skeptics don't realize this. It really is true, drugs can make you superhuman. That's as simple as the message gets, deny it all you want. Transhumanism is inevitable if society is to continue existing, it has to adapt and constantly develop. If you're not opposed to civilization, civilization inherently requires growth. We can move to another way of existing, that is deviated from civilization yet still presents itself as a "forward motion" - a metric regressive types will reject, as they reject any notion of "progressing", but so do most who know that "progress" in the capitalist mode of production is fraudulent. Regressives cannot distinguish between the utilization of tools in the different modes of production since they blame all errors on the desire to create and utilize tools in the first place. They can more accurately be called stagnants, since they're only regressive until they reach a desired point, but what they cannot sustain a status quo of stagnation forever. That's why a lot of them just wish for extinction. These traitors, who appropriately call themselves species traitors are the conclusion of reactionraies.

>>2239027
>There is no time
Why? What's the time constraint keeping your from refining your criticisms?

Alcohol is 999999999999999900009x worse

alcoholics are cucks lol

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>>2238383
>Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive but every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks such as cooking and self grooming.
You guys are really retarded. That's who the fuck you know. Every stoner I know has a clean and immaculate place. I was just smoking with my friend and his roommate and not only is everything clean and immaculate in this house they're renting, it's also well decorated and organized and everything. My aunt picked up smoking weed I think sometime before she retired from her career as a doctor, now she's retired and still smoking weed. Her husband also smoked with us occasionally. Both their children are big time stoners and are very successful lawyers. On the other side of my family, all my cousins are big time stoners and most of them are very academically accomplished, one of them that's a big stoner used to work at Apple and Google as a programmer before he left silicon valley, now he went back to his hometown and is working in programming. He's getting married and has a kid on the way. When I was in HS I went to my friends house whose place was immaculate, piano in foyer kind of place, I remember her father going out to smoke weed in the backyard while we were there.

Have I given enough anecdotal evidence to refute yours? You proved no causation or no correlation even because all your friends are losers. That says more about you than about weed.

>>2239048
They're normal

>>2238938

Listen I really don't believe such a thing exists. I don't think there exists any person that has some part of him that is not in relation with world (or more narrowly some part of him that can affect the world but cannot be effected by it)

Maybe even more fundamentally I just don't find it conceptually useful. Simpler to say people exist and make decisions and social science is about analyzing the causes and effects of their interrelationships. No individual required.

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>society's well being
Person who finds out communists don't want to save society.

>>2239107
Isn't it the difference that defines the individual? The different set of characteristics of a person and how they've developed differently from the rest? That would mean every person is an "individual" unless you begin to look for patterns of repetition, then it boils down to a subjective more or less like the others. Man is a social animal, yet secluded men exist, some more than others, some which interact with the world in different ways than most. The individual seems to be the word perscribing the person as seperate from the rest - as in what ways he differs from the rest, not necessarily differs from the world. It boils down to behaviour patterns and sociology I guess which can be poisonous for someone who relies on material analysis.

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My Turkmeni friend told me they were all big time stoners in the USSR. He said: "You weren't considered a man unless you had weed in your pocket." Lol. He said they would just plant "weeds" everywhere and the authorities would destroy ones they found, but you just have bushes everywhere and you can harvest as much as you need. My cousin grew up in a communist/non-Soviet country and apparently he used to grow weed too.

>>2239127
Γιατί δημοσιεύετε μια φωτογραφία του σπιτιού σας;

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>>2238383
FFS, not you again. You started another identical thread where you posit that weed is really addictive and super psychoactive and MOST people who use it have horrible mental side effects like you did.
BULLSHIT
Weed is not destructive and your "crusty stoners" are nowhere to be found. I work in a dispensary. It's not junkies and smelly hippies buying cannabis, it's everyday normal people. People who have their lives together far more than you do, schizo.

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>>2238393
And weed makes people more productive. You can fuck off now, retardo.

>implying communists need to alleviate the societal ills of capitalism
>implying you can create or destroy culture at will

>>2239137

Κοίταξε, χάνουμε το καιρό μας εδώ. Αλήθεια σου λέω ότι είμαστε ριζικά εχθροί.

I will even say it in English so that the meaning of my words isn't lost to my intermediate level Greek:

I really do sincerely despise what you are fundamentally. I don't think you are stupid or ignorant or anything like that. You are an enemy. One that must be eliminated by one means or another.

I really do hope you and people like you die in a traffic accident. Or better yet you overdose on some illicit substance. Or maybe even Golden Dawn pays you a visit and the local KKE organs realise its a waste of time to try to protect you. Whatever it takes.

Και θα τα αφήσω εκεί. Θάνατος μόνο. Τίποτε άλλο.

>>2238926
/pol/ was not straight edge by any means those morons were all addicted to anime, videogames, incel fanfiction, jewish fanfiction, and interracial porn.

>>2239029
Fucking chat gpt and anime catgirls? Damn, could you fly another flag? I'm embarrassed that we both smoke weed.
Strange image for an adult man to have saved.

>>2239166
>Weed makes people more productive
Is that why people who are actively smoking weed while driving are more likely to get into accidents?

>>2238942
Is that thing male or female? Either way, I think that honey is ruined.

>>2239179
All of those things are far less unhealthy addictions than drugs

>>2239131

I mean okay you can always word that way, but I still don't see much of a use for it, or at least much for treating some sort privileged concept (certainly not as the center of my ethical framework)

It is really so hard to just say "people do or can have some differences"?

Maybe the problem is that I have never been a liberal or sympathetic to liberalism, so some of its core concepts are pretty alien to me. Like I read an old essay in which I use the word individual a few times and jts clear I could just replace it with the term "person" because that is all that I meant.

>>2239173
KKE protecting me? They should protect your asshole before a turk rapes your ass for suggesting a megali idea.
Why did you even start writing in greek? I'm not greek you fucking retard. And KKE is the same shit as Golden Dawn, you're all liberal parties run for business, run a gyros stand if you're that desperate for attention.

>>2239187
That and you shouldn't be on substances while driving. Even caffine increases your accidentproneness on the road considerably.

>>2239192

There is truth that not addictions are the same, though I still think other anon a strong point that poltards are anywhere near straight edge;

Like not even ideologically straight edge but failing in practice because nobody can fully escape, but ideologically they are onboard with addiction.


>>2238511
Then you're just disgusting. Daily bathing is the way to go. It promotes mental clarity. There's a reason soldiers are taught to be clean whenever they can. And it's not just because others have to smell them.

>>2239187
They only run over class traitors in that moment of clarity.

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>>2239187
>Is that why people who are actively smoking weed while driving are more likely to get into accidents?
The cops stopped us once at a sobriety check point and asked us if we had any drinks, we said we just smoked weed, and they waived us through. I've also seen an episode cops filmed around my house where they stopped some guy for driving suspiciously, but not breaking the law I guess, to do a sobriety check. He passed the sobriety tests and the breathalyzer and they had to let him go.

In America we all smoke weed and drive everyday. It's not a big deal. Weed makes you more aware and more cautious.

>>2239195

Well your greek is pretty for a non-greek then. Attacking the KKE is usually the domain of other greeks. It does make a little more sense however that make no distinctions between golden dawn and the KKE.

But your wasting your time as I said. I already told your insults don't do much to me. I already accept the categorization of being totalitarian, mass murdering, eamobulgaric, judeobolshevik.

I only want your death and that of those like you. That's it.

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>>2239218
This.
I'm always a little bit high. It's been years since weed has impaired my ability to operate a motor vehicle safely.
I don't usually smoke while driving, but I will bowl up immediately before getting in the car. It's best not to have stinky pipes and stuff just in case you get pulled over. I leave my gear in the trunk. You want to get high while driving just get a little vape pen.

>>2239220
I don't have a problem with the abstraction of "totalitarianism", it doesn't mean shit, the dictatorship of the proletariat is "totalitarian" and that's a good thing. It's weird to identify as "judeobolshevik", maybe you've skipped Marx's essay on the jewish question and mass murdering is inevitable in war. I don't know why you got so pissy, you hate drugs or what? Don't you understand that pharmacology / medicine is drugs?

>>2239107
> Listen I really don't believe such a thing exists. I don't think there exists any person that has some part of him that is not in relation with world (or more narrowly some part of him that can affect the world but cannot be effected by it)
Why the fuck would you shit out a definition of individual literally no one has ever used and then tear it down to facilitate a poorly conceived position? Are you emulating Engels? Nobody has ever claimed being an individual is when you magically exist outside and opposed to the reality you inhabit and the people that surround you.
> Maybe even more fundamentally I just don't find it conceptually useful. Simpler to say people exist and make decisions and social science is about analyzing the causes and effects of their interrelationships. No individual required.
The entire way Marx differentiated human labor from what animals do and class societies from things like insect colonies was by acknowledging human beings are individual conscious beings
Holy fuck are MLs retarded Hitlerites

>>2239225
Now that I'm in Texas, I don't smoke while driving, but back in California I used to blaze it up while driving all the time. Never got stopped by the cops for weed.

>Rollin down the street, smoking endo, sippin on gin and juice!

>>2239226

Listen, I am just your anti-drug, KKE supporting enemy.

In my conceptual framework a given chemical can be categorized as either "medicine" or "drug" depending on the context and quantity of use.

Its analogous to how a the same pieces of wood nailed together can be used for fire making or as a table.

Now let us stop. There is no use in continuing.

>>2239241
This was before it was recreationally legal too. I remember when it got rec legal, I saw an article that was like:
>Now that weed is legal where can you smoke.
I'm just like literally anywhere. I used to blaze it up in front of the cops all the time on Hollywood Blvd or wherever. I just palm it(hold it inbetween your finger like usual but reverse direction, then curl your hand, don't even need to put it out) if I see them so I don't even have to have a discussion with them. One time we were hanging out at this entrance to the LA river and these cops started asking us what we were doing there. We claimed we were location scouts. But anyways one of them was like *sniff* *sniff* what is it that smell? Is that weed. We're like no, it's all very wink wink nudge nudge. The cops in California literally don't give a flying fuck about weed.

>>2239230

I am really surprised you are so upset by me not finding the term that useful or having much interest in it.

And I don't see how Marx's distinction needs the individual for it be operative. As I recall what he trying to do is to say its that its that a laborer has an idea of what he is going to do that distinguishes his labour from that of an animal. (And even then, I don't think this is particularly important or relevant point Marx makes; It might even be true since there some evidence that other mammals have models of their activities in their minds before engaging in them)

Still, if you find my definition unsatisfactory, by all means, go ahead and give a definition of individual that isn't just "person". It could be interesting.

>>2239261

*it might not even be true

>>2239230

"Nobody has ever claimed being an individual is when you magically exist outside and opposed to the reality you inhabit and the people that surround you. "

I should note that is not what I was exactly saying either.

I was saying there were would be some component of person that could affect the world but not be effected by it. And that would be the thing that renders a person an "individual", without which he would not be one.

>>2239261

Maybe I'll try to follow this up myself.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/individual

The third definition seems to be pne we are circling around; "A distinct person, seperate"

I mean surely different people are distinct (otherwise they would just be the same person), but that definition just reduces to "different person".

Seperate is interesting for our purposes here though. I think be are seperate in any fundamental sense; They are interrelated as we seem to agree? Maybe?

>>2239272

*I do not think people are seperate in any

>>2238671
If you can drive while high you must have a high tolerance

>>2239277
You must be a weakling if you can't. I've driven on mescaline and acid even.

war on drugs is millions times more destructive to society than drugs themselves

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>>2238383
OP is a fag.

>>2239162
Bro I never said the mental health effects were terrible, atleast not for everyone. I still smoke from time to time. I just see a pattern amongst weed users. All tattooed, hedonistic and retarded and unkempt. I think weed is more compatible with hunter gatherer tribal societies. Which is probably why alcohol was more popular in agrarian culture

>>2239526
> I just see a pattern amongst weed users. All tattooed, hedonistic and retarded and unkempt.
Funny how you won't reply to me:
>>2239055
Do you know what the word selection bias means? The reason all the people you know are losers has to do with yourself and not weed.

Weed smokers are unconstrained ubermensch life enjoyers. Sobreity culture wodiggers are ressentiment driven slave morality life dislikers

>>2239617
Sobriety culture barely exists at this point

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>>2239218
As always the retarded drug addict has zero science on his side and goes off based on vibes.

>>2239648
>meta-analysis
Bro that's literally vibe reading.

>>2239648
I know driving stoned is dangerous but it's so much fun.

>>2239648
retarded sobriety addict can't even read his own fucking source

>>2239675
Lmao keep seething junky trash

based drugtards smoking before driving, hopefully this causes all of you to crash and die so that i don't have to smell this filth anymore

>>2239747
>weed smoking is hereditary and genetic
Smartest wodigger itt

>>2239747
>based drugtards smoking before driving, hopefully this causes all of you to crash and die so that i don't have to smell this filth anymore
If you weren't a retarded square, you'd know it's like saying the same shit about caffeine. It doesn't impair you in anyway.

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Man it's funny as an American reading all these squares from other countries. It's like stepping into a time machine to the 50s or something.

>>2239761
i'm telling you i hope you die so i don't have to smell your weed anymore, there's no mention of genetics or having children in my post
you're so retarded LMAO

>>2239775
You WILL smell the weed until you die. When you grow old and frail local delinquents will bash open your door and force the weed down your mouth

Uyghas itt already all take drugs

>>2239765
>square
Ok boomer

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>>2239789
t.(Rule 15)

>>2239789
>>2239765
The bums always lose Mr Lebowski

>>2239794
Oh no he posted a hecking wojak

>>2239796
You posted cringe lil bro.

>>2239797
You are the cringe lil faggot

>>2239801
No, you a cringe my young zoomie.

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This is /leftypol/ now.

>>2239648
lol you didnt think to cut the last sentence contradicting your point "studies do not support this relationship at lower THC […]"
ofc if you're baked out of your mind its detrimental. Not half as much as being slightly drunk though.

All the potheads I know after some years started to show signs of cognitive decline, LITERALLY all of people that smoke weed for years on years started to show signs of cognitive decline, one in particular going on the have psychosis and become a real schizo after smoking weed daily for years since his being teen. Thank God I dropped that shit after sometimes and preserved my brain, pothead are retarded.

>>2239818
Dilittante, intellectual, unreliable

>>2239910
Weed is literally neuroprotective lol.

>>2239747
>smell
>>2239775
>smell
Unironic autist lel.

>>2239916
Nah, that's coke

>>2238383
people are generally very spooked about drug use. Theres a lot of myth, preconception, cultural association etc.
Truth of the matter is they're simply chemicals that alter your consciousness and perception. It can be very useful (wether for work, as medication or as social lubricant), or very fun in recreational use, it can also be very detrimental depending on the usage, and there is the problem of addiction ofc.
People should simply approach it rationally, be aware of the risk and of the benefits, and use them responsibly. But spooked people are numerous, and reactionaries usually have hateboner for categories of population they associate with drug use, so rational policies are hard to implement.
War on drugs still do a lot of bad to society, as its essentially used as anti poor device to repress lower classes, it creates a very hostile relation with police and the citizens (even if they dont use drugs!) and the illegality make it a lucrative criminal activity that cause other detrimental effects.

>>2239916
>neuroprotective

Kek, pothead are funny.

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>>2239920
You foreign squares are just retarded nerds. Not the smart kind of nerds. Just all the anal bitter loser characteristics without the intelligence.


>>2239923
>Google ai generated results as your source
Holy shit bro admit weed fried your brain

>>2239923
>neuroprotective
>can't spell marijuana
Kek

>>2239925
>>2239979
>>2239980
>Seething nerds.
This is why no one invites you anywhere.

>>2239923
>AI slopview

>>2239638
Unless you don't live in the west and live in a religious fundamentalist shithole.

>>2240019
>Seething nerd

>>2240020
Like bulgaria

>>2240001
>>2240020
Lmao coping so hard that you revert to racism. Go back to pol

>>2240023
Like all of eastern europe, all of the islamic world including UK and France (except Albania, somehow they got medicinial), almost all of Africa (with the slightest of exceptions in South Africa), almost all of Asia with the exceptions being Thailand and fucking Georgia (barely).

>>2240027
How is criticism of religion the same as racism? Go back to xitter.

>>2240033
Muslims smoke weed.

>>2240037
Also the love Khat.

>>2240037
Its still illegal and persecuted.
>>2240033
Morocco is fine too I think.

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>>2239916
>Weed is literally neuroprotective lol.
This, I'm prescribed cannabis by my Neurologist.
t. MS & Epilepsy sufferer

>>2240035
Lmao you literally used the word foreigners you retarded cracker

>>2239242

Your neighbourhood knitis telling you weed is evil while downing their third bottle of raki for the night.

Boomer party.

Τι συμβαίνει εδώ μέσα;

>>2241796

Απάντηση: Προπαγάνδα υπέρ του ναρκωτικού κεφαλεου. Δηλαδή καπιταλιστικός, φιλελεύθερος και δυτικός εκφυλισμός.

Καλλίτερα για την υγεία σου να μήν ασχολείσαι.

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>>2238383
Ok and? The humor stops when my undiagnosed schizophrenia tells me you are about to murder me and I have to defend myself.

What's the materialist explenation for experiences on LSD, DMT, etc?

>>2242078
ESP Extra sensory perception. There are modes of perception that you ignore in your normal state which drugs force you to acknowledge.

>Can we admit that weed culture sucks
as a weed smoker: yeah, it does. People are weird about it. I smoke weed to chill. Screeching about how weed is the best thing on earth is not chill.

>and is actually destructive for society's well being?

what? no. That's a schizo idea.

>Alcohol sucks too.

alcohol culture is way worse than weed, AND alcohol is much more damaging to the body AND it is chemically addictive. I'd say the culture sucks because it does the opposite of teach safe consumption.

>Psychoactive substances only increase mental health problems and are a detriment for your body.

weed and acid have actually made my mental health far greater. prior to allowing myself to enjoy weed and LSD, I was a super NEET with no friends, family or loved ones. starting weed treated my anxiety and allowed me to get out more. LSD helped me look at the world with a more open mind, and when I take LSD it tends to vaporize my clinical depression for about a month. I have a job now. I have a wife now. I have talents now. I have friends now. I'm actually so much more active and successful in life now that I barely have any free time anymore. It's great!

What im saying is drugs can be a great help, and impact people differently. Saying "drugs are bad mmkay" is like saying "heart surgery is bad mmkay" just because heart surgery doesnt personally benefit you. Everybody is different. It's important for people to support safe habits and help one another if something is wrong.

>Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive but every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks such as cooking and self grooming.


correlation does not equal causation. The people who are incapable of finding any motivation or care in life would very likely be that way regardless of their drug intake. The losers i knew in/after high school who turned into being lazy gross stoners were all lazy and gross before they started smoking weed, too.

>It's why the crusty stoner who reeks of sweat and pot is a well known stereotype.

Actually, the reason for that is racism. Marijuana was popular among mexicans, and mexicans have always been the subject of racism from white americans, so the drug was outlawed because people associated it with race. There's a lot more reading you could do on this topic, and I know I'm skimming over almost every significant detail in that history, but no, it is not because teenagers are stinky and lazy. You're a fucking moron if you think those stinky lazy 20 year olds are the only people smoking weed. Those are just the people you notice smoking weed. Those are just the people you've decided are an easy target for your rage.

>>2242154
>Marijuana was popular among mexicans, and mexicans have always been the subject of racism from white americans, so the drug was outlawed because people associated it with race.
That's only partly true. The real reason was that after prohibition era ended. The justice system in place needed to find another drug ban to enforce or it would have collapsed and many people within this system would have been put of jobs like legislators and police officers. It turned to cannabis because it was the second most popular drug . Many Americans even presidents smoked hemp before the ban. It was considered as mild as nicotine. Hemp contains way less THC than weed and is legal in Europe

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>>2242565
>t turned to cannabis because it was the second most popular drug . Many Americans even presidents smoked hemp before the ban. It was considered as mild as nicotine. Hemp contains way less THC than weed and is legal in Europe
My grandpa had a license to prescribe cannabis before the ban.

>>2242570
Related but unrelated. My Turkmeni SSR friend was telling me about how back in the SSR you used to just be able to buy as much opium as you wanted, but then the USSR saw America banning opium, then copied them. Makes you thunk huh? Fucking WODiggers.

>>2242570
>>2242573
And of course banning opium only lead to more concentrated and adulterated forms being sold on the black market. "Moonshine" anyone?

>>2241969
Δε διαφωνώ αλλά περιμένω τι στιγμή που θα μπορώ να παρω αμφεταμίνες στο περιπτερο.

also, τα καθολικά μπαν δεν δουλευουν. Για αυτο οι μισοι στο ΚΚΕ καπνιζουν χορτο και ας πριζει μανες το ΚΚΕ οτι το χορτο είναι ο καπιταλισμος ο ιδιος.

>>2242578
>>2242573
True. I would use opium if it were legal. It seems convenient for people with anxiety and intrusive thoughts.

The real reason I hate stoners is because they're the flakiest friends I got. These uyghas be like let's hang out bro then the moment you're supposed to meet they become ghosts. Laziest group of humans on the planet

I don't think weed is destructive but any addiction is. The problem is a weed addiction is way worse than say a porn addiction or a Vidya addiction but less harmful than an alcohol addiction but probably a little worse than a cigarette addiction since cigarettes fuck up your lungs like weed but doesn't make you lazy and retarded

It is another by-product of Anglo-Saxon liberalism, seeking to lumpeinize the population

>>2242592

"αλλά περιμένω τι στιγμή που θα μπορώ να παρω αμφεταμίνες στο περιπτερο."

Adderall, ritalin. Είναι και εύκολο στην Αμερική να σου γράψει χαρτάκι. Αυτο είναι το φαρμακευτικό κεφάλαιο.

"τα καθολικά μπαν δεν δουλευουν. Για αυτο οι μισοι στο ΚΚΕ καπνιζουν χορτο και ας πριζει μανες το ΚΚΕ οτι το χορτο είναι ο καπιταλισμος ο ιδιος"

Γιατί αρχίζεις με μαλακίες? Σοβαρολογεις?

Στην Ελλάδα γενικά καπνίζουν χασίσι λιγότερο οι άνθρωποι σε σύγκριση με Αμερική και δυτική Ευρώπη.

Και τόρα μου λες στο κόμμα καπνίζουν οι μισοι? Ασε με τώρα.

Εαν η γενική απαγόρευση δεν κάνει τίποτα γιατί η δολοφονία είναι απαγορευμένη?

Μήπως το πρόβλημα είναι το καπιταλιστικό κράτος καί και η αντιφάσεις και αδυναμίες του?

Ο δημιουργός και ο εμπορικός στο τοίχο και θα δεις πόσο γρήγορα αλλάζουν τα πράγματα.



Αλλά εντάξει καλό τρολ.

>>2242660
Have you ever smoked weed in your life?

>>2242897

What I never understood is why stoners continue to smoke it instead of just getting thc pills at this point (or eating edibles).

Smoke from anything burning going into your lungs is bad, so why bother with it.

People are retarded & degenerate.

>>2242898
Opinion discarded.

>>2242900

Same. And ideally so will your worthless life.

>>2242902
I don’t smoke weed but nice try.

>>2242903

Didn't say you did.

Just want you and your family to have a deadly motor vehicle accident is all.

Cheers.

>>2242905
Have fun with your future cancer diagnoses and expensive treatment.

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>>2239204
Well that's the premise of a depression spiral: you lose the energy to maintain activities that give you energy. You're right that getting at least one of the boxes ticks makes the rest easier though.

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>>2242898
<People are retarded & degenerate.
<degenerate.
Hi /pol/

>>2243028
He's got a point tho wouldn't it be safer just to take THC pills?

>>2243168
>He's got a point tho wouldn't it be safer just to take THC pills?
Safer than smoking yes, but edibles can hit hard, also there's vaping(actual flower in my case) the flower doesn't actually burn, but bakes for a lack of a better term, and you can use the vaped leftovers to make butter, oils for edibles, or capsules of vaped matter. I consume a lot in a day in all forms, but this is me >>2240059 and I'm in a lot of pain at all times.Also the point is I'm not a degenerate the /pol/transhumanist is…

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>>2243795
</pol/transhumanist is…
Got fucked by the filter, LMAO!

>>2242898
>Smoke from anything burning going into your lungs is bad, so why bother with it.
I enjoy smoking tobacco and weed. It tastes good and feels good. And I absolutely hate vaporizators feels like inhaling liquid water.

>>2242898
>le degeneracy
Critical support for druggies pissing off this moron

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>>2238383
>Is weed destructive to society ?
<So long as we have failed to eliminate any of the causes of human despair, we do not have the right to try to eliminate those means by which man tries to cleanse himself of despair.

>>2243950
Yes, exactly! As Marx said: religion is the opium of the people and what do suffering people need? That's right, they need to keep their opium. Marxism should encourage the spread of religion to reduce the amount of despair caused by the capitalist system.

>>2244005
solvent abusing retard with severe brain damage coming in

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>>2244000

>>2244010
The jannies are a long time past caring.

>>2241043
Where did I use the word foreigners you retarded glowie?

>>2244005
That's exactly why Marx kept drinking and so did many bolsheviks to come.

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>>2238412
>rawdogging life

you can only say shit like this if you have 30 minutes of daily screentime, don't watch movies, don't play videogames and don't watch porn.

>>2238383
omg alcoholics you are so based and reckless and self-aware kyaaa

>>2244707
>>2244707
I don't do 30 minutes of daily screentime, don't watch movies, don't play videogames and don't watch porn.
I only skate, surf and do bjj. I don't even use my phone except for sending messages to my Slovenian girlfriend. I also don't drink or do drugs except for antihistamines for my allergies

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>>2245108
>I only skate and surf
geg the fed went all out on this one

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>>2238383
Not in any significant way. Next question. What a boring thread, sorry. Please read.

>>2245395
Those are all better highs then smoking or drinking. They're right

Why is leftypol filled with stoners? I'm genuinely curious. I don't think I've seen this amount of stoners on 4chan

>>2245742
420chan went down and redirected here

>>2245744
Ok but why do we have to share our board with a bunch of junkies?

>>2245746
because their based and your cringe, do scopolomine now

>>2245752
What makes them based? Anybody can get high, it doesn't mean you've achieved any particular insight on life

>>2245752
Being a fed is the best thing on the planet. Nothing gets you high better than watching useless junkie trash get 10 years for drug possession. Useless lifeless maggots they are. I can't wait to plant some coke into some junkies car and arrest him for it.

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Lmao love how everytime someone shit talks weed the most "chill" and "zen" people collectively lose their cool

>>2246793
I lose my cool when alkies hide behind stoner bashing to glorify their shit lifestyle ♥ oohhhh ♥ who's a good little self-destructive doomer? ♥ you are ♥

It's actually 100% okay if I make your life a living hell with my alcoholism because I'm self-aware about it in a based non-reddit way

>>2245742
Calling it "uyghur weed" is surprisingly effective and you don't get away with that in a place like this one

>>2247493
Which is funny because if you actually go to China the majority of weed dealers and consumers are indeed either Uyghur or Hui

>>2247466
I don't think alcoholics bash weed. If anything they're often stoners too

>>2246793
To be fair whenever people say “talking about weed” they actually mean they want the state to enact controls over people’s bodily autonomy

>>2247635
I don't think the government should intervene in bodily autonomy and I also think weed sucks. I also think the reason weed sucks is due to prohibition. Imagine all the different strains we would have if that shit wasn't banned. CBD is only the beginning and it's already pretty effective for parkinson's and what not. I just think it's a drug like every other drug and it has side effects that vary from one person to another. Some people can smoke weed 24/7 and be fine and others develop all sorts of paranoia and mental illnesses.
I just don't understand stoners who worship it like it's a divine plant like some Dionysian mystery cult and say it cures cancer or what not

>>2247720
>I also think the reason weed sucks is due to prohibition
Not really, the legalization regime has led to homogenization of weed strains, most are very very similar now
> I just don't understand stoners who worship it like it's a divine plant like some Dionysian mystery cult and say it cures cancer or what not
Leftover from Rastafarian thought on weed, which was revolutionary and contrarian for most of the 20th century in the Caribbean and American context

>>2247720
> I just don't understand stoners who worship it like it's a divine plant like some Dionysian mystery cult and say it cures cancer or what not
They’re coping, you’re not wrong
Thought you were a prohibitionist moralfag

>>2247720
>Some people can smoke weed 24/7 and be fine and others develop all sorts of paranoia and mental illnesses.
I'm in the latter group which is why I don't smoke it. It's more like "CAN'T" smoke it, because it has a bad effect and makes everything look kind of frightening and I start getting paranoid and then want to throw up and pass out. That can happen if you don't smoke it but I just opted not to smoke it at all.

>>2247729
Is that your reaction to all or most mind altering substances or just THC?

>>2247724
But what's revolutionary about smoking drugs?
I think it's just that they're coping from being addicts
Kind of like Vidya game autists who call themselves gamers and revolve their entire personality on japanese games but it's them being too prideful to admit they're addicts with low self control

>>2247724
That's because it's federally illegal. If it weren't more research would be available on it's potential

>>2247729
Has anyone here been able to move past the paranoia and anxiety?
I want to enjoy it when hanging out with friends but I've only been able to enjoy once and I had a blast but everytime afterwards was just making my anxiety worse

>>2247737
>what’s revolutionary about smoking drugs
For Rastas it’s a religious thing, they use weed as a sacrament the same way catholics use wine during communion, they also have a vegan diet and dedicate themselves to environmentally sustainable living. It can get reactionary (google Bayou of Pigs) or Pan Africanist depending on context.

>>2247741
>Has anyone here been able to move past the paranoia and anxiety?
Do breathing exercises and listen to music

>>2247746
That shit doesn't work for panic attacks

>>2247830
If it’s a full attack I would simply abstain, or maybe have a benzodiazepine on hand

>>2247741
>Has anyone here been able to move past the paranoia and anxiety?
Yes. I think the anxiety and paranoia are two fold. One part of it originates with your insecurities and the reasons why certain things make you insecure need to be addressed first, the marijuana doesn't cause them just makes you think about them more. The other part is probably related to your safety somehow, like you think you're dying or the cops are gonna get you, mom is gonna find out, etc. and those are just rooted in inexperience dealing with unpredictable situations so you need to smoke weed more and interact with society (irl), while high. Its that shrimple.

Maybe it's the amount I smoke but I am very comfortable with getting stoned and going out, talking to people, etc. Actually it makes me more talkative and sociable. I used to get super paranoid but I was a teenager so everything was scary to me.

>>2247892
>>2247892
So your answer is to attempt some exposure therapy type shit with weed ?

>>2238888
If you smoked weed, you'd realize how stupid you really sound.

>>2248207
>So your answer is to attempt some exposure therapy type shit with weed?
Uhhhh I dunno bout that, I just call it practice.

>>2248275
I know someone from my high school who developed schizophrenia from weed

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>>2248677
<I know someone from my high school who developed schizophrenia from weed
So one, and nd how many students approximately would you say were enrolled at your high school, so we can get an idea ratio wise?

>>2248684
Atleast 2000

>>2246793
bro they are "losing their cool" because freaks like you are trying to tell them what they can or cannot do with their bodies.

in a strange turn of events, it turns out humans actually like bodily autonomy and will speak out to defend it!

>>2246793
This used to be me, but with psychedelics. Weed is a background high minus the super pure tweaker shit.

>>2246793
Either homie works 8 hours a week at a minimum wage job or he is getting ripped off harder than any burger who even looks at a hospital.

>>2248706
How did you get an unhealthy relationship with psychedelics? Whenever I’ve treated them with disregard or irresponsibility I end having a bad trip and take a multi month break from them

>>2248844
When I combined them with DXM and NOS, I did for sure. Oral DMT was the strongest trip I had, really mixed feelings. I microdose 4aco now.
>>2238888
Replace this with weed with Kratom and I agree.

>>2239192
>other addictions are also bad so just smoke weed and destroy your lungs
Druggie logic

>>2248864
Yeah I’ve never heard of anyone doing DXM and coming out a better person or even having a good time really, makes sense

>>2248882
Luckily with weed you can do edibles

>>2248884
DXM is crazy asf

>>2248887
That one and DPH never really appealed to me, the closest I’ve come is smoking salvia, at least that only lasts 15 minutes

>>2248677
They likely already had it but the weed made them realize it by making them temporarily less schizo.


>>2248931
>Researchers found strong evidence of an association between cannabis use disorder and schizophrenia among men and women, though the association was much stronger among young men. Using statistical models, the study authors estimated that as many as 30% of cases of schizophrenia among men aged 21-30 might have been prevented by averting cannabis use disorder.

How many stoners here are LGBT?
I'm trans and I smoke weed all day everyday. I can't survive without it.

>>2249646
ive gotten super tolerant so it sucks, gotta take a break i guess

>>2249647
Are you trans,sister?

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Hahahahaha stoners deserve the rope

>>2249633
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8554424/

Nutrition, nutritional deficiencies, and schizophrenia: An association worthy of constant reassessment

>In a double-blind gluten-free vs gluten-rich diet study, Vlissides et al[120] reported significant improvement in symptoms measured on a psychosis in-patient’s profile. Jackson et al[124] tested the feasibility and efficacy of administering gluten-free diet in 2 patients with schizophrenia who were either positive for anti-tissue transglutaminase/anti-endomysial antibodies (coeliac disease) or antibodies to gliadin (indicative of gluten sensitivity). They reported that gluten-free diet was well-tolerated in patients with schizophrenia, resulting in no adverse effects; also, in both patients (irrespective of the antibodies), improvements in schizophrenia symptoms and extrapyramidal side-effects were observed[124].


It's the gluten not the weed that causes schizophrenia.

>>2249646
I'm a torani too and If weed didn't give me paranoia and delusions I'd smoke it 24/7. DAMN I fucking hate having a brain chemistry that doesn't work with weed. At least I got shrooms.

>le schizophrenia
There exists a strong link between cat ownership and being schizo too.
Who cares except people who want to live in a bubble?

>>2247741
It’s setting and time for me. If it’s early in the day or I’m in an unfamiliar place I get anxious, but if I’m among friends kicking it in the evening I’m fine.

Me and a buddy once ate a whole bag of edibles each and went to the Reagan library one day. I can recall stumbling onto Airforce One and trying to avoid the spot the tour guide said Reagan would stand in to talk to reporters. We had a blast.

>>2238383
Fuck weed just like how we say fuck big tobacco both are the same shit with the only significant difference being its taxonomic species otherwise it's just addictive and profitable (yes you heard that right big marijuana may emerge upon the legalization of weed)

>>2239218
>Weed makes you more aware and more cautious.
then how does it differ from tobacco? t. someone who lives in a country where the richest person controls a tobacco conglomerate

>>2249672
It's strange that chinlets from pol obsess this much over some mediocre celebrity. I understand he's more of a symbol to you, but you guys are too emotionally invested in him to the point of bringing him up when the topic of hollywood, movies, etc. isn't even being discussed lmfao.

>>2247741
No. Capitalist strains of marijuana is designed to fuck up the mind. They only soothe those with slow minds

>>2249796
True, true. You have to be enlightened by your own intelligence to enjoy ditchweed.

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>>2249796
>Capitalist strains of marijuana is designed to fuck up the mind. They only soothe those with slow minds
Communism is when your weed is shitty & full of twigs and seeds…

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Stoners are in huge denial of their addiction.

>>2250665
>>2249794
Again with the Seth rogan obsession lmao.

>>2250665
People on the internet really do not understand the meaning of the word "addiction"

>>2242898
You had a point right until you started using the r-slur and the bourgeois classic known as "degenerate" you dumbass liberal.

>>2250758
I'd say that anyone who smokes weed to the point of premature death is a confirmed addict but that may be a hot take too hard to handle for the drug addicts ITT

I am a centrist in the drug question:
Anyone pro-ban should be banned from doing drugs.
Anyone anti-ban should be allowed to do drugs.
This way, everyone should be satisfied.

>>2250785
Again, people on the internet really do not understand the meaning of "addiction"

>>2250786
Thomas Sankara!! You are based!! 😂😂😂😂

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The haters itt dont want you to know that cannabis opens the pathways in your brain to allow you to hear the whispers of the Changer of Ways

>>2242894
>Αλλά εντάξει καλό τρολ.
Καλά εσύ…

Αλλά τεσπά, για πες μου πόσους κκεδες υπολογίζεις ότι καπνίζουν χόρτο;

>>2250790
Damn, that what you call having a schizophrenic episode now? Kids theses days, kek.

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>>2250807
Schizophrenia is baby shit. The true Tzeenchian suffers from so many mental illnesses that they cancel each other out and leave him able to predict the future

>>2250810
Still sound a schizo hubris, just like those schizos I would see at the mental hospital I used to work.

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>>2250815
The Primordial Truths do indeed leave many unworthy minds shattered and ruined in their wake, for the Truth does not moderate itself to accommodate mortal preconceptions and superstitions. Thus unwilling to fully embrace the Truth shall be consigned to madness and oblivion, such is the fate of many would be sorcerers. Open your mind and discard your prejudices and preconceptions and only then will you possibly be able to handle the dark mysteries of the cosmos if your will is strong enough.

>>2250786
Alright, so you do admit I'm right. Got it.

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>>2250785
>I'd say
You don't need to say anything. The criteria is already defined.

>>2250665
Lmao that bitch got owned

>>2239649
The words "literally" and "vibe" do not belong in the same sentence, anon.

>>2250804
speak English you fucking Turk

>>2238387
>Granted, I started smoking in my twenties rather than in my teens; kids really should be kept away from substance
I think this is the big difference, where now, at least in the US, like every vape store has some shitty HHC/D8/THCa vape where it's so accessible where you have teenagers burning out their brains on it where they just don't grow up.

>>2238383
Drug addictions are not idpol but close. Its a healthcare issue socialism will hopefully fix by giving everyone access to treatment.


Can we ban OPs like this, mods? Thank you.

>>2270788
>Its a healthcare issue socialism will hopefully fix by giving everyone access to treatment
It is the treatment for some of us you colossal pricks.
t. MS&Epilepsyanon


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