Can we admit that weed culture sucks and is actually destructive for society's well being?
Alcohol sucks too. Drugs shouldn't be banned but drug subculture is cringe. Drug addiction shouldn't be a culture. Psychoactive substances only increase mental health problems and are a detriment for your body. Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive but every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks such as cooking and self grooming. It's why the crusty stoner who reeks of sweat and pot is a well known stereotype.
>>2238383>Can we admit that weed culture sucks and is actually destructive for society's well being?No
>Not saying the end goal of life is to be productiveSounds like you are. Being unproductive in a capitalist system is, in fact, a good thing.
>every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasksHasty generalization. I smoked pot heavily every day from 2020 to 2023 while holding down a high paying job which allowed me to purchase a home in a low COL area. The only reason I stopped smoking was to start trying for a kid with the wife. Granted, I started smoking in my twenties rather than in my teens; kids really should be kept away from substances, on that we agree.
>>2238395I believe that many who fall into hardcore drug use are acutely sensitive to the alienation bred by capitalism. Addiction is not a moral failing or merely a health issue.
t.drug user
>>2238777Most of the world is still being imprisioned and killed over it and the conventions glowies made.
Disillusioned american retards only see liberal figures parading it and believe that it makes you retarded, why not stop brushing your teeth by that logic since so many liberal glitterboys advertise toothbrushes in the most obnoxious way possible?
>>2238804Legalization is still reformism, there is no point in asking for reforms from the same mafia that has ruined so many lives. They only legalize if they find it profitable. NGOs and liberals keep users and their supporters disillusioned, the only way out right now would require class war. Only "progressive" bourgeoisie nations get to reap the benefits, the rest enforce the conventions and repress their own populations. Most of the world doesn't live in western nations. The "federal" model of governance has been a thin veil to let mafia overlords to keep their illegal markets going for personal profit, rather than "each country choosing for itself" (the illusion of soverignty). The EU is an incubator for fascist oligarchs, the "progressive" fascist oligarchs act as such because their supporter base is enough to push them. Politicial entites are prostitutes for money. The only reason some decide to legalize is if it is deemed more profitable for them, when the tide is not towards them the black markets ensure they receive the personal profit rather than the explicit from the voters. A big factor has to do with the "development" of the country or the growth of its own bourgeoisie, the western ones are already rich enough to not be going after cannabis as a means of personal profit via unregulated businesses, instead they find it better to appeal to their voter base.
To beg for a "progressive politician" in a shithole like a christian, islamic fundamentalist country would be as futile as beggining for a genocide to exterminate the religious conservative vermin.
This problem persists irregardless if its the left or right of capital, here you have the KKE assholes, conservative stalinists and a russian "communist" party in the Duma making love to orthodox priests. These vermin should be exterminated, they are red businesses, not communists. They don't seek to change the present state of affairs.
The supporter base that comes from them goes on the internet, former /pol/ users "deconvert" to stalinist reactionaries instead, play-pretend antifa yet see it fitting to belittle others for their lifestyle, even going as far as to stagnate research in chemistry out of spite that drugs are inherently bad, that they possess no "good" properties in spite of pharmacology being drugs.
The mods themselves are much like this, since they allow these red fascists to stigmatize working people who are already at threat of being arrested for their choice of a drug, generalizing drug users (focusing on cannabis) as unproductive in spite of the rules against the generalization of groups. These same conservative stalinists are always one step away from writing of killing all jews "because most of them are zionist". The same conservative stalinists, ex-/pol/ "deconverts" who coddle up to christian and islamic garbage now.
>>2238383The state has no right to tell someone what they can do with their own body.
Sure there are downsides but when asked to draw a line on what control the state should have over the bodies of free men I choose no control at all.
>>2238834Τη τα θες ρε χαμένο κορμί, έγω είμαι ανοιχτός εαμοβουλγαρος. Κανε μου ότι κατηγορία θέλεις. Σου διαβεβαιώνω ότι είμαι χειρότερος. Σταλινικός? Ο Σταλιν δεν έσφαξε καθόλου αρκετά (ιδιαίτερα στην Ευρώπη, η πιο εκφυλισμένη ήπειρο του κόσμου, εκτός από τη Βόρεια Αμερική)
Άιντε τώρα πάρε τη δόση σου και πνίξει στο εμετό σου, να ξεβρωμίσει λίγο ο τόπος.
>>2238853Nothing has any right to anything inherently. Rights are an abstraction of social relations, which require enforcement to become actual.
What does or does not happen in society is socially determined, for all things in that society, including bodies.
Further your wording betrays your fundamentally liberal/bpurgeois conception of the human body, as a piece of property that is privately owned.
>>2238863Χαχαχα! Ρε ηλίθιε είμαι Εβραίος. Ο Σαλονικιός παππούς γλίτωσε.
Αλλά εντάξει είμαι πιο θανατηφόρος απ'τον χρυσαυγητη, που έχει την ψευδαίσθηση ότι ο ελληνικός λαός δεν είναι βρώμικος, χαμένος λαός όπως όλους τους άλλους στο κόσμο.
Μόνο ένα γοσπλαν που σχεδιάζει και ελέγχει τα πάντα έχει τη πιθανότητα να διορθώσει που σήμερα βαφτίζεται "άνθρωπος".
>>2238870I am the one who this reply
>>2238862 and want to thank for giving the concrete retort to the lost lib.
He not only doesn't realize that rights are the abstraction of social relations, but he seems to think ownership of a body is some sort of objective or inherent property.
I mean the obvious way to make him interrogate his views is to ask him if typical modern government prohibitions on the ability to sell one's body, including into slavery, are uploading rights or violation of rights.
But I don't know maybe you have a better strategy.
>>2238891"To make the individual sacred we must destroy the social order which crucifies him. And this problem can only be solved by blood and iron."
Liberals want a handout through slogans "my body my choice". If it was theirs then why would they shout those slogans in the first place, would it not be apparent to begin with? They seem to think that their "rights" are "being trampled", even though the same "rights" are just a permission from the instrument of repression of the ruling class. They are pacified to be beggars.
>>2238886Μα είσαι τόσο ηλίθιος που δεν έχεις καταλάβει ακόμη δεν με νοιάζει ότι και να μου κατηγορείς.
Σου το ξανά λέω: Είμαι χειρότερος απ'τον χρυσαυγητη. Ο μίσος που έχει αυτός για το ξένο, εγώ το έχω για όλους τους λαούς. Είμαι ξεκάθαρος ολοκληρωτικός (με την έννοια που τρομάζει τον φιλελεδω στον ύπνο του).
Όλη η γη να γίνει Μελιγαλάς.
>>2238909I smoked it a couple of times because it took care of some of the inflammation in my joints but after a while it did fuck all and just gave me a headache afterwards.
So I dropped it. but all drugs reduce pain and joint stiffness. Even beer takes the edge off. So I agree it's overrated when it comes to dealing with chronic pain.
>>2238917You can go back to 4chan Pol to hang out with the straight edge sigmas.
oh wait lol
>>2238904Why are MLs so aggressively devoted to being fascists instead of reading Marx
>Muh individual doesn’t existYes we seek to abolish bourgeois society, not reify it to own libs
>>2238942What does this have to do with bees? Are you suggesting weed is harming the environment?
>>2238945By orders of magnitude, yeah. A single prole couldn't possibly waste more food than a supermarket does at the end of each week, especially sweets. Honey has a decent shelf life but still gets wasted rather than given out.
>>2238952Well you could've been more direct with that instead of speaking in riddles.
Industrial farming in it's current state is pretty harsh on the environment yeah, that goes for any crop (except maybe kelp but I haven't looked into that too deeply).
It'd be better to farm weed via permaculture gardening.
>>2238952On hemp cultivation it's the opposite to paper. On cannabis for recreational use, you blame the industry, not the allowance for personal use that revolves around obtaining seeds and growing it in pots inside your home. Malta has it that way, there is no industry, only "clubs" for growers.
To shift the blame on the plant rather than the mode of production that permits or encourages industrial farming is retarded.
Of course they're going to attempt it, its inevitable. Stagnating won't resolve the issue. The way Malta has it, is that its not for commercial sale. That's what prevents there being an industry behind it. It can be allowed by the state while still being prohibited for commercial sale, forcing people to grow it themselves, but punishing any notion of entrepeneurship / making profit off of it.
Either way its a minimal issue. Even if we suppose that they allow it and jump straight to commercializing it and make farms it will be an ant shit compared to everything else.
>>2238966>On hemp cultivation it's the opposite to paper.Even so its not a solution, it won't happen. Greenwashing makes it seem like it will replace paper and save trees, it won't. If its not profitable they won't do it. We're stuck with what we have right now. The same logic with oil, why look for switching to alternatives when they can keep making profit until it runs dry?
The more commodities are looked at the more apparent the issue is. If we have to be completely "ecological" then we should just declare a jihad against civilization and kill every person that moves, at that point, why not just join a pre-existing "brand" like ISIS? They seem eco-friendly. ITS has not managed what ISIS has managed. ITS should probably just merge with ISIS.
>>2238976very boilerplate
>If it's not profitableHemp paper has a growing market share, it's getting more profitable.
>If we want to be completely "ecological" then [the premise of ecofascism]Humans are part of the environment and ecology, and yes humans are animals if you're gonna pull that card. Animal is a cellular description, not a moral one.
>What about le ISISI really don't think some abrahamic fascist group would "care" any more about the environment than any other faction.
>>2238976Then again, this site isn't for eco trash, pleasure for workers is worth more than the dying planet. It really is. It seems like a catch, how would the workers be more important than the planet? But the declassed, lumpen and petite cannot lead a "revolution" to save the planet, it can only be the workers. If a worker is suffering from the retardation of having to argue with religious vermin infiltrating the workers' movement and bullshitting everyone, the stresses of life, the uncaring and alienated subhumans who use the same labels as him and various others issues that come with the existence of a person in the current social order (we can list practically anything that pisses us off here), then they should have a way to take the edge off and stop giving a shit about all of the pointless noise that acts all pomptous and knowing on how they should live their life for the revolution to appear once the conditons are favorable. The impression is that the pleasure will somehow "degradate" the workers as if they don't already know how fucked over they are being and make them unfit. That's not the case, its an oversimplification. A worker with class consciousness knows his situation all too well, a liberal minded worker does not but he does not experience the same stresses either. A liberal worker is a retard who does not pay attention to the world around him and has aspirations of becoming rich. For that he rejects any sort of "pleasures" that will prevent him from "becoming rich", such as drugs - seeing them as a waste of money or an impairment.
The worker with class consciousness waits and bothers himself with his work and similar minded people even if they disagree with him or piss him off, they are his closest "family" since they know all too well how screwed over they are. In order to not suffer from this immense anhedonia and repetitive boredness the worker can utilize drugs for as long as it takes until a noteworthy reason to quit comes. There is no reason for the worker to quit any sort of addiction if it fuels him to continue his routine until an opportunity to break away from it is there. This continuation persists in the form of monotonous boredom and repetitive tasks. A retarded worker like previously mentioned - the liberal worker, has no issue with monotony and bothers himself with pop culture and other nonsense turning himself into an even more avid consumer than the drug users - irregardless if workers or hobos. The difference in consciousness and self-awareness presents itself in that way. The liberal will shun the knowing one for trying to change his mind through the use of substances, simoulationsly attempting to rearrange what he knows with the application of psychoactive or other varying mind-altering substances to come up with answers to conundrums and dead-ends the liberal worker has no idea of. The liberal worker does not have class consciousness and does not bother to analyze the situation, but only thinks of "self-improvement", easily persuaded by useless advise given from pop culture. The stoner worker is done with bullshit, the critic (irregardless if a member of the working class) is full of bullshit. The only way the stoner can truly relax is to hope that one day all such critics will be murdered for wasting time and tiring him down. That comes with the end of the critic's lies, which are not really his, but what has been given to him by the bourgeoisie, he believes it to be his since he can identify with their promises of self-fullfilment without the use of drugs. The bourgeoisie can easily switch the narrative, but there is a general behavior that has been cultivated and developed where the norm that the worker who is unable to analyze the present situation is persuaded towards becomes inevtiable. First curiosity, then skepticism, then outright fear and then demonization. The ruling class which holds the interest to repress those who think the wrong way will attempt to push this pattern in every hole and every little flaw they can find. It will start with an attempt of an admission, likewise "come on you have to admit, weed can be addictive" and then slowly and gradually a slippery slope towards "you don't need it, its harmful, it causes cancer, it causes schizophrenia" and so on irregardless if there is any credibility or truth to it in an attempt to either make the thinker, the realized one, submit and give up out of peer pressure or be alienated and mocked. It is a 24/7 nonstop barrage of lies and slander. What we must do, is write over and over again, that we want to exterminate all who perpuate this sick forced state of sobriety that has presented itself by the name "The War On Drugs" and insist that every agent which has participated in it must be exteriminated one day. It's a vow for redemption. The one day should come with class war, they should not be treated as "comrades" irregardless if they use the same etiquttes or not, the only thing they wish for is a new mode of repression. The parasites which drain your life energy cannot be reasoned with, they will make you die of thirst if you give them too much land. Some of them might be "fooled", some might do it consciously and know that they are traitors, others be it impulsively as a reaction given by the established norms and stigmas surrounding drugs, but the importantance of not having to think about this pointless noise that wears you down or be there to experience it or be deprived of experiencing a change in chemistry is most important for the survival of those who are conscious enough to understand without having to have it explained over and over again. See the quotes of PiHKAL and TiHKAL - a person who knows, recognizes the importance instantly. It does not need to be explained to him what importance chemistry can hold. A worker already with their mind set on a goal oriented towards scientific socialism will inherently know the importance of chemistry, botany and self-experimenting with drugs in dire times like this or the greatness of using them. It is pointless to try to explain it towards a non-user, unless they desire to learn with the right intention and attitude, the worker who knows the situation is aware of this, that is why the most rational way to argue with the critics, who are like religious preachers to an analyist, is that they can only dissapear once they are dead with their beliefs and attitudes.
>>2239004>Humans are part of the environment and ecology, and yes humans are animals if you're gonna pull that card. Animal is a cellular description, not a moral one.Nonono it wasn't a suggestion, in fact I call for death to all eco trash. Just presented the conclusion of "its not ecologically viable". The solution is to kill whoever writes that garbage and prevents your high. There is really no other way around it. Stuck ups cannot be fixed they must be exterminated. Look at how the asshole jumped to "ecology" on the subject of weed, hopefully somebody burns his house down while he's sleeping. Sadly these things exist and spread like cancer on any place you can find for conversation, its impossible to find a place where everyone knows what they're talking about. The spaces are always infested with little cancers that object to reality and experiments.
>I really don't think some abrahamic fascist group would "care" any more about the environment than any other faction.Its not that they care, its that their actions are inherently regressive.
And it goes on like:
<Kill them for simply disagreeing with you?They root for the arrests and deaths of drug users, they cheer, they support it and support stigmatization of drug users, denying any of the great effects and denying any potentiality for farthering the practices and farther studies. We can only hope that they all become extinct, the sooner the better would be away with reactionary trash. They don't even consider themselves reactionary, but so what? They are opposed to change, it doesn't matter what label they rally by. And its not just "change for the sake of change" but change in specific fields, change in the human interaction with substances, which has as many speculative promises as science fiction. A lot of them have become a reality and yet reactionaries will deny. Of course they've become a reality in the capitalist mode of production which is besides the intention, so they've been "perverted" (or made to tend towards the current), but the retardation is so vast they cannot imagine the potentiality of them outside of the present mode of production. Again, for this retardation, these retards should die as soon as possible. There is no way to argue with such retards, call them any name and they keep going, fueled by the lies they coincidentally did not come up with on their own observation but learned from the fucking status quo, which so happens to be tilted towards the war on drugs.
>>2239014There is no time for spell checking or consistency. This whole thread is repugnant and the moderators are bastards like the OP. Reading through it will present some inconsistencies such as
>that is why the most rational way to argue with the critics, cut off by
>who are like religious preachers to an analyist, is that they can only dissapear once they are dead with their beliefs and attitudes.it's already apparent, its self-explanatory. A stringed out message of "death to the war on drugs and its agents", the most rational way is by murder. It's very misfortunate that none of us can create realities.
Either way it's readable. Simple to understand. The only way it cannot be understood is by denial. There is only one way out of assholes like the OP and all who endrose his message. If you have nothing to live for, its still not worth doing adventurism. There ought to be a historic opportunity to fuck over all reactionares irregardless if they are honest about their character or present themselves as allies.
>>2239014The piece argues that in our decaying society, the pleasure and well-being of conscious, class-aware workers should be prioritized over environmental concerns or moralistic critiques, especially from liberals or critics aligned with bourgeois values. These critics, often internalized agents of capitalist repression, push sobriety and stigmatize drug use as harmful or weak. In contrast, the class-conscious worker understands his exploitation and may use substances like weed not as escapism, but as a means of coping with monotony, alienation, and systemic violence.
The liberal worker, lacking awareness and trapped in aspirations of wealth and productivity, sees drugs as obstacles rather than tools. He's distracted by pop culture and personal advancement, failing to recognize or challenge his own exploitation. The conscious worker, on the other hand, may use mind-altering substances to explore, reflect, and survive mentally until conditions are ripe for revolutionary change.
The author believes attempts to shame or correct such use are tools of bourgeois control, equating these critics with traitors or religious zealots. Ultimately, the piece calls for total rejection—and even violent removal—of those enforcing the oppressive sobriety norms of the "War on Drugs," framing this as part of a larger class war.
I asked chat gpt to summarize this cause holy shit man use paragraphs
>>2239029>Not killing yourself and everyone you know for hedonism is moralistKill every single person on this website
I mean it
>>2239029>but as a means of coping Much more than "coping", a "cope" can be anything SSRIs for depression to binge eating out boredom (those are pretty terrible ways to utilize substances), drugs have the potentiality to outright serve as an improvement on the human condition more than a crutch, the deniers and skeptics don't realize this. It really is true, drugs can make you superhuman. That's as simple as the message gets, deny it all you want. Transhumanism is inevitable if society is to continue existing, it has to adapt and constantly develop. If you're not opposed to civilization, civilization inherently requires growth. We can move to another way of existing, that is deviated from civilization yet still presents itself as a "forward motion" - a metric regressive types will reject, as they reject any notion of "progressing", but so do most who know that "progress" in the capitalist mode of production is fraudulent. Regressives cannot distinguish between the utilization of tools in the different modes of production since they blame all errors on the desire to create and utilize tools in the first place. They can more accurately be called stagnants, since they're only regressive until they reach a desired point, but what they cannot sustain a status quo of stagnation forever. That's why a lot of them just wish for extinction. These traitors, who appropriately call themselves species traitors are the conclusion of reactionraies.
>>2238383>Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive but every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks such as cooking and self grooming. You guys are really retarded. That's who the fuck you know. Every stoner I know has a clean and immaculate place. I was just smoking with my friend and his roommate and not only is everything clean and immaculate in this house they're renting, it's also well decorated and organized and everything. My aunt picked up smoking weed I think sometime before she retired from her career as a doctor, now she's retired and still smoking weed. Her husband also smoked with us occasionally. Both their children are big time stoners and are very successful lawyers. On the other side of my family, all my cousins are big time stoners and most of them are very academically accomplished, one of them that's a big stoner used to work at Apple and Google as a programmer before he left silicon valley, now he went back to his hometown and is working in programming. He's getting married and has a kid on the way. When I was in HS I went to my friends house whose place was immaculate, piano in foyer kind of place, I remember her father going out to smoke weed in the backyard while we were there.
Have I given enough anecdotal evidence to refute yours? You proved no causation or no correlation even because all your friends are losers. That says more about you than about weed.
>>2238938Listen I really don't believe such a thing exists. I don't think there exists any person that has some part of him that is not in relation with world (or more narrowly some part of him that can affect the world but cannot be effected by it)
Maybe even more fundamentally I just don't find it conceptually useful. Simpler to say people exist and make decisions and social science is about analyzing the causes and effects of their interrelationships. No individual required.
>>2238383FFS, not you again. You started another identical thread where you posit that weed is really addictive and super psychoactive and MOST people who use it have horrible mental side effects like you did.
BULLSHIT
Weed is not destructive and your "crusty stoners" are nowhere to be found. I work in a dispensary. It's not junkies and smelly hippies buying cannabis, it's everyday normal people. People who have their lives together far more than you do, schizo.
>>2239137Κοίταξε, χάνουμε το καιρό μας εδώ. Αλήθεια σου λέω ότι είμαστε ριζικά εχθροί.
I will even say it in English so that the meaning of my words isn't lost to my intermediate level Greek:
I really do sincerely despise what you are fundamentally. I don't think you are stupid or ignorant or anything like that. You are an enemy. One that must be eliminated by one means or another.
I really do hope you and people like you die in a traffic accident. Or better yet you overdose on some illicit substance. Or maybe even Golden Dawn pays you a visit and the local KKE organs realise its a waste of time to try to protect you. Whatever it takes.
Και θα τα αφήσω εκεί. Θάνατος μόνο. Τίποτε άλλο.
>>2239029Fucking chat gpt and anime catgirls? Damn, could you fly another flag? I'm embarrassed that we both smoke weed.
Strange image for an adult man to have saved.
>>2239131I mean okay you can always word that way, but I still don't see much of a use for it, or at least much for treating some sort privileged concept (certainly not as the center of my ethical framework)
It is really so hard to just say "people do or can have some differences"?
Maybe the problem is that I have never been a liberal or sympathetic to liberalism, so some of its core concepts are pretty alien to me. Like I read an old essay in which I use the word individual a few times and jts clear I could just replace it with the term "person" because that is all that I meant.
>>2239173KKE protecting me? They should protect your asshole before a turk rapes your ass for suggesting a megali idea.
Why did you even start writing in greek? I'm not greek you fucking retard. And KKE is the same shit as Golden Dawn, you're all liberal parties run for business, run a gyros stand if you're that desperate for attention.
>>2239192There is truth that not addictions are the same, though I still think other anon a strong point that poltards are anywhere near straight edge;
Like not even ideologically straight edge but failing in practice because nobody can fully escape, but ideologically they are onboard with addiction.
>>2239187>Is that why people who are actively smoking weed while driving are more likely to get into accidents?The cops stopped us once at a sobriety check point and asked us if we had any drinks, we said we just smoked weed, and they waived us through. I've also seen an episode cops filmed around my house where they stopped some guy for driving suspiciously, but not breaking the law I guess, to do a sobriety check. He passed the sobriety tests and the breathalyzer and they had to let him go.
In America we all smoke weed and drive everyday. It's not a big deal. Weed makes you more aware and more cautious.
>>2239195Well your greek is pretty for a non-greek then. Attacking the KKE is usually the domain of other greeks. It does make a little more sense however that make no distinctions between golden dawn and the KKE.
But your wasting your time as I said. I already told your insults don't do much to me. I already accept the categorization of being totalitarian, mass murdering, eamobulgaric, judeobolshevik.
I only want your death and that of those like you. That's it.
>>2239218This.
I'm always a little bit high. It's been years since weed has impaired my ability to operate a motor vehicle safely.
I don't usually smoke while driving, but I will bowl up immediately before getting in the car. It's best not to have stinky pipes and stuff just in case you get pulled over. I leave my gear in the trunk. You want to get high while driving just get a little vape pen.
>>2239107> Listen I really don't believe such a thing exists. I don't think there exists any person that has some part of him that is not in relation with world (or more narrowly some part of him that can affect the world but cannot be effected by it)Why the fuck would you shit out a definition of individual literally no one has ever used and then tear it down to facilitate a poorly conceived position? Are you emulating Engels? Nobody has ever claimed being an individual is when you magically exist outside and opposed to the reality you inhabit and the people that surround you.
> Maybe even more fundamentally I just don't find it conceptually useful. Simpler to say people exist and make decisions and social science is about analyzing the causes and effects of their interrelationships. No individual required.The entire way Marx differentiated human labor from what animals do and class societies from things like insect colonies was by acknowledging human beings are individual conscious beings
Holy fuck are MLs retarded Hitlerites
>>2239226Listen, I am just your anti-drug, KKE supporting enemy.
In my conceptual framework a given chemical can be categorized as either "medicine" or "drug" depending on the context and quantity of use.
Its analogous to how a the same pieces of wood nailed together can be used for fire making or as a table.
Now let us stop. There is no use in continuing.
>>2239241This was before it was recreationally legal too. I remember when it got rec legal, I saw an article that was like:
>Now that weed is legal where can you smoke.I'm just like literally anywhere. I used to blaze it up in front of the cops all the time on Hollywood Blvd or wherever. I just palm it(hold it inbetween your finger like usual but reverse direction, then curl your hand, don't even need to put it out) if I see them so I don't even have to have a discussion with them. One time we were hanging out at this entrance to the LA river and these cops started asking us what we were doing there. We claimed we were location scouts. But anyways one of them was like *sniff* *sniff* what is it that smell? Is that weed. We're like no, it's all very wink wink nudge nudge. The cops in California literally don't give a flying fuck about weed.
>>2239230I am really surprised you are so upset by me not finding the term that useful or having much interest in it.
And I don't see how Marx's distinction needs the individual for it be operative. As I recall what he trying to do is to say its that its that a laborer has an idea of what he is going to do that distinguishes his labour from that of an animal. (And even then, I don't think this is particularly important or relevant point Marx makes; It might even be true since there some evidence that other mammals have models of their activities in their minds before engaging in them)
Still, if you find my definition unsatisfactory, by all means, go ahead and give a definition of individual that isn't just "person". It could be interesting.
>>2239230"Nobody has ever claimed being an individual is when you magically exist outside and opposed to the reality you inhabit and the people that surround you. "
I should note that is not what I was exactly saying either.
I was saying there were would be some component of person that could affect the world but not be effected by it. And that would be the thing that renders a person an "individual", without which he would not be one.
>>2239261Maybe I'll try to follow this up myself.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/individualThe third definition seems to be pne we are circling around; "A distinct person, seperate"
I mean surely different people are distinct (otherwise they would just be the same person), but that definition just reduces to "different person".
Seperate is interesting for our purposes here though. I think be are seperate in any fundamental sense; They are interrelated as we seem to agree? Maybe?
>>2239526> I just see a pattern amongst weed users. All tattooed, hedonistic and retarded and unkempt.Funny how you won't reply to me:
>>2239055Do you know what the word selection bias means? The reason all the people you know are losers has to do with yourself and not weed.
>>2239761i'm telling you i hope you die so i don't have to smell your weed anymore, there's no mention of genetics or having children in my post
you're so retarded LMAO
>>2239648lol you didnt think to cut the last sentence contradicting your point "studies do not support this relationship at lower THC […]"
ofc if you're baked out of your mind its detrimental. Not half as much as being slightly drunk though.
>>2239747>smell>>2239775>smellUnironic autist lel.
>>2239916Nah, that's coke
>>2238383people are generally very spooked about drug use. Theres a lot of myth, preconception, cultural association etc.
Truth of the matter is they're simply chemicals that alter your consciousness and perception. It can be very useful (wether for work, as medication or as social lubricant), or very fun in recreational use, it can also be very detrimental depending on the usage, and there is the problem of addiction ofc.
People should simply approach it rationally, be aware of the risk and of the benefits, and use them responsibly. But spooked people are numerous, and reactionaries usually have hateboner for categories of population they associate with drug use, so rational policies are hard to implement.
War on drugs still do a lot of bad to society, as its essentially used as anti poor device to repress lower classes, it creates a very hostile relation with police and the citizens (even if they dont use drugs!) and the illegality make it a lucrative criminal activity that cause other detrimental effects.
>>2240037Its still illegal and persecuted.
>>2240033Morocco is fine too I think.
>>2239916>Weed is literally neuroprotective lol.This, I'm prescribed cannabis by my Neurologist.
t. MS & Epilepsy sufferer
>>2239242Your neighbourhood knitis telling you weed is evil while downing their third bottle of raki for the night.
Boomer party.
>>2241796Απάντηση: Προπαγάνδα υπέρ του ναρκωτικού κεφαλεου. Δηλαδή καπιταλιστικός, φιλελεύθερος και δυτικός εκφυλισμός.
Καλλίτερα για την υγεία σου να μήν ασχολείσαι.
>Can we admit that weed culture sucks
as a weed smoker: yeah, it does. People are weird about it. I smoke weed to chill. Screeching about how weed is the best thing on earth is not chill.
>and is actually destructive for society's well being?
what? no. That's a schizo idea.
>Alcohol sucks too.
alcohol culture is way worse than weed, AND alcohol is much more damaging to the body AND it is chemically addictive. I'd say the culture sucks because it does the opposite of teach safe consumption.
>Psychoactive substances only increase mental health problems and are a detriment for your body.
weed and acid have actually made my mental health far greater. prior to allowing myself to enjoy weed and LSD, I was a super NEET with no friends, family or loved ones. starting weed treated my anxiety and allowed me to get out more. LSD helped me look at the world with a more open mind, and when I take LSD it tends to vaporize my clinical depression for about a month. I have a job now. I have a wife now. I have talents now. I have friends now. I'm actually so much more active and successful in life now that I barely have any free time anymore. It's great!
What im saying is drugs can be a great help, and impact people differently. Saying "drugs are bad mmkay" is like saying "heart surgery is bad mmkay" just because heart surgery doesnt personally benefit you. Everybody is different. It's important for people to support safe habits and help one another if something is wrong.
>Not saying the end goal of life is to be productive but every stoner I know from high school has seriously failed to even achieve the most basic of everyday tasks such as cooking and self grooming.
correlation does not equal causation. The people who are incapable of finding any motivation or care in life would very likely be that way regardless of their drug intake. The losers i knew in/after high school who turned into being lazy gross stoners were all lazy and gross before they started smoking weed, too.
>It's why the crusty stoner who reeks of sweat and pot is a well known stereotype.
Actually, the reason for that is racism. Marijuana was popular among mexicans, and mexicans have always been the subject of racism from white americans, so the drug was outlawed because people associated it with race. There's a lot more reading you could do on this topic, and I know I'm skimming over almost every significant detail in that history, but no, it is not because teenagers are stinky and lazy. You're a fucking moron if you think those stinky lazy 20 year olds are the only people smoking weed. Those are just the people you notice smoking weed. Those are just the people you've decided are an easy target for your rage.
>>2241969Δε διαφωνώ αλλά περιμένω τι στιγμή που θα μπορώ να παρω αμφεταμίνες στο περιπτερο.
also, τα καθολικά μπαν δεν δουλευουν. Για αυτο οι μισοι στο ΚΚΕ καπνιζουν χορτο και ας πριζει μανες το ΚΚΕ οτι το χορτο είναι ο καπιταλισμος ο ιδιος.
>>2242592"αλλά περιμένω τι στιγμή που θα μπορώ να παρω αμφεταμίνες στο περιπτερο."
Adderall, ritalin. Είναι και εύκολο στην Αμερική να σου γράψει χαρτάκι. Αυτο είναι το φαρμακευτικό κεφάλαιο.
"τα καθολικά μπαν δεν δουλευουν. Για αυτο οι μισοι στο ΚΚΕ καπνιζουν χορτο και ας πριζει μανες το ΚΚΕ οτι το χορτο είναι ο καπιταλισμος ο ιδιος"
Γιατί αρχίζεις με μαλακίες? Σοβαρολογεις?
Στην Ελλάδα γενικά καπνίζουν χασίσι λιγότερο οι άνθρωποι σε σύγκριση με Αμερική και δυτική Ευρώπη.
Και τόρα μου λες στο κόμμα καπνίζουν οι μισοι? Ασε με τώρα.
Εαν η γενική απαγόρευση δεν κάνει τίποτα γιατί η δολοφονία είναι απαγορευμένη?
Μήπως το πρόβλημα είναι το καπιταλιστικό κράτος καί και η αντιφάσεις και αδυναμίες του?
Ο δημιουργός και ο εμπορικός στο τοίχο και θα δεις πόσο γρήγορα αλλάζουν τα πράγματα.
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Αλλά εντάξει καλό τρολ.
>>2242897What I never understood is why stoners continue to smoke it instead of just getting thc pills at this point (or eating edibles).
Smoke from anything burning going into your lungs is bad, so why bother with it.
People are retarded & degenerate.
>>2242903Didn't say you did.
Just want you and your family to have a deadly motor vehicle accident is all.
Cheers.
>>2243168>He's got a point tho wouldn't it be safer just to take THC pills?Safer than smoking yes, but edibles can hit hard, also there's vaping(actual flower in my case) the flower doesn't actually burn, but bakes for a lack of a better term
, and you can use the vaped leftovers to make butter, oils for edibles, or capsules of vaped matter. I consume a lot in a day in all forms, but this is me
>>2240059 and I'm in a lot of pain at all times.Also the point is I'm not a degenerate the /pol/transhumanist is…
>>2244707>>2244707 I don't do 30 minutes of daily screentime, don't watch movies, don't play videogames and don't watch porn.
I only skate, surf and do bjj. I don't even use my phone except for sending messages to my Slovenian girlfriend. I also don't drink or do drugs except for antihistamines for my allergies
>>2247635I don't think the government should intervene in bodily autonomy and I also think weed sucks. I also think the reason weed sucks is due to prohibition. Imagine all the different strains we would have if that shit wasn't banned. CBD is only the beginning and it's already pretty effective for parkinson's and what not. I just think it's a drug like every other drug and it has side effects that vary from one person to another. Some people can smoke weed 24/7 and be fine and others develop all sorts of paranoia and mental illnesses.
I just don't understand stoners who worship it like it's a divine plant like some Dionysian mystery cult and say it cures cancer or what not
>>2247720>I also think the reason weed sucks is due to prohibitionNot really, the legalization regime has led to homogenization of weed strains, most are very very similar now
> I just don't understand stoners who worship it like it's a divine plant like some Dionysian mystery cult and say it cures cancer or what notLeftover from Rastafarian thought on weed, which was revolutionary and contrarian for most of the 20th century in the Caribbean and American context
>>2247720> I just don't understand stoners who worship it like it's a divine plant like some Dionysian mystery cult and say it cures cancer or what notThey’re coping, you’re not wrong
Thought you were a prohibitionist moralfag
>>2247724But what's revolutionary about smoking drugs?
I think it's just that they're coping from being addicts
Kind of like Vidya game autists who call themselves gamers and revolve their entire personality on japanese games but it's them being too prideful to admit they're addicts with low self control
>>2247729Has anyone here been able to move past the paranoia and anxiety?
I want to enjoy it when hanging out with friends but I've only been able to enjoy once and I had a blast but everytime afterwards was just making my anxiety worse
>>2247741>Has anyone here been able to move past the paranoia and anxiety? Yes. I think the anxiety and paranoia are two fold. One part of it originates with your insecurities and the reasons why certain things make you insecure need to be addressed first, the marijuana doesn't cause them just makes you think about them more. The other part is probably related to your safety somehow, like you think you're dying or the cops are gonna get you, mom is gonna find out, etc. and those are just rooted in inexperience dealing with unpredictable situations so you need to smoke weed more and interact with society (irl), while high. Its that shrimple.
Maybe it's the amount I smoke but I am very comfortable with getting stoned and going out, talking to people, etc. Actually it makes me more talkative and sociable. I used to get super paranoid but I was a teenager so everything was scary to me.
>>2246793bro they are "losing their cool" because freaks like you are trying to tell them what they can or cannot do with their bodies.
in a strange turn of events, it turns out humans actually like bodily autonomy and will speak out to defend it!
>>2248844When I combined them with DXM and NOS, I did for sure. Oral DMT was the strongest trip I had, really mixed feelings. I microdose 4aco now.
>>2238888Replace this with weed with Kratom and I agree.
>>2247741It’s setting and time for me. If it’s early in the day or I’m in an unfamiliar place I get anxious, but if I’m among friends kicking it in the evening I’m fine.
Me and a buddy once ate a whole bag of edibles each and went to the Reagan library one day. I can recall stumbling onto Airforce One and trying to avoid the spot the tour guide said Reagan would stand in to talk to reporters. We had a blast.
>>2242894>Αλλά εντάξει καλό τρολ.Καλά εσύ…
Αλλά τεσπά, για πες μου πόσους κκεδες υπολογίζεις ότι καπνίζουν χόρτο;
>>2270788>Its a healthcare issue socialism will hopefully fix by giving everyone access to treatmentIt is the treatment for some of us you colossal pricks.
t. MS&Epilepsyanon
>>2238383The main thing about weed is that it gives people the courage/contentment/wisdom to not participate in things that don't benefit them and are in fact slave systems that most people are unaware of. This may include work, it may include some relationships, it may even include much of what we see in culture in public. People hate weed because it makes people dropout, but these people wouldn't dare actually listen to a pothead.
For the record, I believe all things in moderation. A little weed, a little alcohol, a little coffee. I wouldn't take any more than twice a week or so, and I don't hit that limit frequently.
>>2238386This is accurate.
>>2238383>have their lives togetherSorry OP I can't hear you over my PhD in theoretical physics while smoking weed everyday since I way 15.
Retarded post.
In relation to drugs other than alcohol, tobacco and caffeine, cannabis is generally accepted as the most used substance among those broadly criminalized. As a significant number of people use the drug, a strong movement exists to advocate for the removal of laws that incriminate associations with it. The greater the number of people in a movement the stronger it is in relation to monetary resources and, consequently, political influence.
Those wishing for associations with the substance to not be classed as an offence or for existing penalties to be made less severe are being progressively more successful in achieving their goals.
But of course, the actual rationale for making associations with the drug subject to criminal sanctions was not at all related to preventing or minimizing harm to health and welfare. It was and is about creating a criminal underclass to be exploited for financial gain and political advantage along with the existence and maintenance of a highly profitable black market in the substance.
The age-old strategy employed to generate fear in the mind of the voting public in relation to cannabis is the suggestion that the drug has a casual relationship with schizophrenia. There is not and has never been any evidence indicative of such a relationship. The rate of occurrence of the disorder has remained at approximately one percent of the population and there has not been any statistical correlation between the prevalence of cannabis use and rates of the disorder demonstrated despite the substance being in use for centuries.
The strategy is employed by those wishing to create fear, especially amongst parents, is to publish research in which the subjects are aged in their teens and that implies cannabis use has a casual relationship with the disorder. The research is largely in the form of meta-analysis which involves interpreting the data from multiple existing and largely uncontrolled studies in a theoretical manner.
Regarding the basis for researching in relating to cannabis use and an alleged link to schizophrenia, the researchers have had no way of controlling for any genetic component to the disorder. It is therefore not possible to conduct research with any valid control in relation to a genetic predisposition for the disorder as would be required before any suggestion was made as to casual relationships with environmental factors such as drug use. The studies are generally uncontrolled in relation to the use of recreational drugs other than cannabis.
Regardless of there being no body of evidence suggesting cannabis use causes or "precipitates" schizophrenia and the studies being unable to provide any proof of a casual relationship, the so-called "research" is released widely on a regular basis. It is eagerly disseminated via the media and its proponents of the WOD Global Economic System for Intentionally Created Crime with the simple association of the themes - cannabis, schizophrenia, young people being sufficient enough to cause fear and concern amongst parents and the broader population.
Of course, the strategy is to portray the substance as a threat to health and welfare, especially concerning the young, with a view to reinforcing the falsehood of supply and possession of drugs other than alcohol, tobacco and caffeine being criminalized as a "response to harm caused to health and welfare". The emotive components of young people and mental illness are utilized to heighten alarm amongst parents and, thereby, elicit their support for the policy that is represented as a war on drugs.
In summary, efforts to reduce the severity of the penalties for supply and possession of cannabis and, ultimately, to remove its status as a controlled substances will gather momentum and be increasingly successful, the only ones who stand in the way are reactionaries seeking to perpetuate the global economic system of intentionally created crime (GESICC) under the name of the war on drugs (WOD).
The global economic system of intentionally created crime which sits on the exploitation of a minority over a majority, the majority being users of the drugs tobaccos, alcohol and caffeine is completely incompatible with the fundamental notions of the communist movement.
Everything has to be serious at all times and we cannot find any humor in the absurdity of hell world.
The last time I smiled was on August 19th, 1991. I always wear a dirty ushanka , do not shave, and only take cold sponge baths because hot running water is bourgeoisie decadence. Every day at exactly noon I have the same meal of an expired Maoist MRE I store in a pit covered in old issues of a revolutionary newspaper.
In the evenings I stare at a picture of vodka by candlelight, but I do not allow myself to drink because there is nothing to celebrate. I sleep in a bed made of flags from every failed revolution so that they are never forgotten.
Every local org has banned me after I attempted to split it by assassinating the leadership. Orthodox Marxism requires that true communists purge opportunists whenever they appear. Opportunism is anyone who disagrees with me, drinks fluoride, or owns a smart phone.
My double PHD in marxist economics and 18th century Swiss philosophy (required to understand Engels) sits over the fireplace of my home. My fireplace is a salvaged drum from a 1950s washing machine that was recalled for locking children inside of it. I chose that washing machine model on purpose because I am anti-natalist.
There is no plumbing in my house I shit in a brass bucket with a picture of Gonzalo and Deng french kissing in the bottom of it. My house is actually an overturned T34 in an abandoned junkyard in Wisconsin. I was inside the T34 when it was shipped to Wisconsin and I am the reason the junkyard is abandoned.
I have a single friend in this world and it is a tapeworm named Bordiga that I met after ingesting spoiled borscht on 9/11 in the ruins of building 7 (I blew it up after finding that a nominally leftist NGO inside of it wasn’t sufficiently anti-imperialist, the attacks on the world trade center were a perfect revolutionary moment for me to enact direct praxis against liberalism).
My sole source of income is various MLM schemes in the former soviet bloc that have been running for so long no one remembers who I am, they just keep sending money. I have not paid taxes since McGovern lost the Democratic nomination for president and my faith in electoralism died more brutally than my childhood dog after it got into an entire jar of tylenol.
I invented the bat’leth while debating Gene Rodenberry on the dialectical materialism of Posadism. This was, of course, before I was unjustly fired from the production crew of Star Trek for declaring a protracted people’s war against RKO Pictures and setting William Shatner on fire. I continue this liberatory struggle to this day by shipping mail bombs to the Paramount studio lot hidden within packages disguised as edible arrangements addressed to “Gary ‘D. B.’ Cooper”.
I own 29 fully automatic rusted kalashnikovs and three crates of ammunition entirely incompatible with them or any other firearms I own. During the latest BLM protests I firebombed a Nikes outlet in the middle of a peaceful candlelit vigil. I was briefly contained within Fort Detrick, but cured my long covid with smallpox spores after escaping and returning home.
William F Buckley and I wrote hate mail to one another for 47 years until my final letter gave him an aneurysm. The only water I drink is from puddles. George Lucas and I dropped acid together during an MKULTRA southern baptist summer camp and he went on to write the movie Willow about our time together.
The best way to test whether an electrical wire is live is to drool on it and shrimp salad is racist. You can make an IED out of potassium and the instructions are online thanks to Timothy McVey, who was actually a committed antifascist communist slandered by the deep state as part of operation condor.
Every time a liberal files a restraining order against me, I carve a mark into the wall. I am running out of walls.
When Amerikkka finally collapses I will be ready to lead the revolution. I am very smart and people like being around me.
>>2249967I actually wish I could get some communism weed, just for old time's sake.
I like to romanticize it and imagine it would bring about that deep, stony sleep like it used to, but I realize it probably wouldn't do much at all but stink.
I picked up an 8th of this sativa Peach Flambe, 30% THC. It smells so fruity and strong. It's really dank.
But it's funny how that becomes boring when all the weed is amazing and even the $20/oz 'B-grade buds' are 20% THC good strains that would be pretty amazing in any other era or some other part of the world right now.
Just to see some of that old 'browner' as we called it. There's just no reason that would ever be available anymore here in the land of plenty. Perhaps in my future travels I'll have to contend with schwag weed again. But I'll probably just smuggle carts and concentrates and edibles with me. I always thought it would be super cool to have a walking stick like Dr. Hammond from Jurassic Park but instead of amber it's just a solid ball of pure THC. No one's going to assume that's drugs. I could just hike up a mountain and chip a sliver off with a chisel and somehow another part of the stick would be a dabbing bong. I'm still working out the details on all that.
>>2332875moralist drivel
>>2330272meds
this is what your black markets are funding btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_traffickingLegal cannabis is anti-fascist, I guess?
>>2332875>you're responsible for impeding the revolutionIf someone does a crime to you, and you react and do your own crime, they bear the responsibility for that harm
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