Why are we acting like capitalism even has 20 years?
It doesnt, can you say honestly oh hy 2050 these will be the new capitalist hegemons by gdp as if this shit has 20 years left.
Neofeudalism call it what you want but not capitalism.
>>2238425i dont see the working class having revolutionary potential bros.
that was a bold assumption from karl marx.
>>2238413Capitalism is eternal, the soviet union had state capitalism, cavemen had capitalism. Every economy is capitalist.
Capitalism is just an ism to abstract what humans have always done in economics, which is to use a combination of capital and labor to create wealth. How that labor and capital gets deployed is what makes all the other isms.
Feudalism? Lack of strong government leads to the formation of local fiefs/taifas ruled by warlords loosely associated by unstable alliances. These warlords then manage the labor and capital, i.e direct peasants to work and direct the use of the wealth.
Many other isms, all of which are capitalism
>>2240105you cant deny the economy hasnt evolved to the financialized one we have today.
anyways if workers dont work in the traditional sense it is no longer capitalism.
a 100% service worldwide economy is not capitalism either.
>>2240133under the traditional historical materialist view rome was a slave based society and feudalism was a serf based society.
The world is more interconnected than ever to the point that trumps tweets csn steer the economy in any direction.
>>2240148but it wasnt industrialized.
it was like slave oeners making slave do things for them. There wasnt a textile mill with division of labor.
>>2240454labor and means of production i meant commodity is the end result
the circulation metamorphosis goes m-c…p…c'-m'
m' is profit and c' is commodity
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/ch01.htm >>2240739China is a mixed economy only instead of socdem where is half redistribution half capitalist it is half tankie half capitalist.
Here is something that you refuse to admit. The soviet union was superior in some aspects. Its growth has been unmatched. It excelled at making capital goods, it failed at making commodities.
Thats how stalin won world war ii. They excelled at churning out tanks.
No economist will deny this.
>>2240454Capital isnt labor, capital is land+tools, essentially everything you need to work but not work itself.
Wealthy romans didnt just have a bunch of slaves, they had land and physical tools like ships, buildings, tools, industrial facilities like large ovens for bakeries, textile machines like weavers. Their level of technology was low, not non-existent.
>>2241143i just posted above what the marxist definition of capital is with source.
capital is taking the form of money to make profit instead of consumption.
>>2238623The term "neofeudalism" is a classic example of NewSpeak a la Orwell. There's a concerted effort in America to make people think they're living under anything other than "capitalism", so that they blame their problems on something other than "capitalism". It's just another example of how the powers that be are trying to coerce our language.
The whole concept of "feudalism" was rendered moot by the industrial revolution. It was never "defeated", it just became irrelevant.
IRL if the factories are privately owned, then it will be a capitalist future. And if those factories do not need human workers then the wealthy will eradicate us in the name of achieving net zero carbon emissions. Not only do we exhale c02 and methane, but we also drive the cars that pump out the emissions, and we have all sorts of cows living on farms and farting up into the atmosphere in order to satiate us. Especially as Americans. So they'll just cull us.
Not only that but the rich passionately hate us so they'll just cull us.
>>2241143What you’re talking about it’s the means of production not capital. How the means of production is organized is what makes the system not that they exist. You’re just doing an annoying version of “capitalism is when you trade”. No, capitalism is when the means of production is owned privately by capitalist. Capitalism is only possible in industrialized economies with a bourgeois democracy.
Also before you say it bourgeois democracies can also be dictatorships or even constitutionally monarchies. As long as the bourgeois of that society control the means of production.
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