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Notorious ex-communist rat David Horowitz passed away yesterday.

Parents were CPUSA members who raised Horowitz to be a Stalinist. After working with the BPP and the 60s New Left, Horowitz betrayed the Panthers and went on to shill for Reagan and the Neocons.

Hope he’s burning in the lowest levels of Gehennom.

Press S to spit on his grave.


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so he just wrote that USSR/Islam bad and peddles the idea that conservatives can't get jobs in academia (half true)

Who fucking cares?

>>2248669
He was working with the feds to take down leftist activists.

Also, all rats deserve hellfire. Remember Whittaker Chambers and Bella Dodd?

>>2248671
Not like they would have accomplished anything anyway. Huey Newton was a drug addict and the breakfast program was the only decent thing they did.

He was like those bankers that supported Hitler

A big fat S to all Neocons.

>>2248676
He also attacked pro-Palestine activists, namely professors like Chomsky and Finkelstein.

>>2248657
RIP in power to a true hero of Marxism-Leninism o7

>>2248676
>Huey Newton was a drug addict and the breakfast program was the only decent thing they did.
They assassinated Fred Hampton for a reason, pig apologist.

>>2248671
Bella Dodd snitches on 1400 CPUSA-affiliated teachers in the NYC area, most of them Jewish women.

Fuck her.

>>2248676
Truthnuke
The black panthers are overrated as fuck and had no strategy whatsoever

>>2248835
They did have a strategy, it was to organize black workers and defend their communities and build those communities up into bases for an eventual protracted People’s War

>Parents were CPUSA members who raised Horowitz to be a Stalinist.
He never had a chance

>>2248669
in my limited experience with the academic world as a bio student its kinda funny how conservatives basically ceded off my field to the libs and leftists(at least in burgerland) since they wanna be a bunch of delusional retards who deny climate change,vaccines and evolution. Those three things just being taken as a non negotiable fact filters out most reactoids and conservatives from the field. If they weren't dying on that hill I would expect things to be way different tbh.


>>2248671
RIP BOZO leftypol grave pissing meetup when?

I know very little about this guy other than that he ran an anticommunist "newspaper" that was distributed for free on my college campus, but how fast and how severe was his transition to reaction? His name is on a huge biography of the Rockefellers published in the 70s that by grandparents have on their shelf; did he go straight from leading anti-war protests to sucking off the richest man in US history?

>>2248840
In other words, they had no strategy

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>>2248730
>RIP in power to a true hero of Marxism-Leninism o7
One of the original MAGA Communists.

>>2248840
<PPW in the mouth of the beast
I smell the stench of adventurism in the air
>>2248976
First a tragedy
Second a circus

>>2248835
They had a strategy but they didn't and had no way to account for COINTELPRO, but the 70's they were cooked

>>2248657
>>2248711
>Stalinist to Likudnik
EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

>>2248976
>get beaten and gassed by Reagan
<vote for him anyway
what a class cuck

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/magazine/1985/03/17/lefties-for-reagan/c3d58778-8ec9-4463-9252-3a032e078d36/

and damn does he gas on

>>2248969
Are you retarded, shitlib? He just told you their strategy

>>2249113
https://archive.is/7vNNo

archived version of that post for people who dont subscribe to washington post (i assume everyone here)

>>2249133
yeah and it fucking sucked, didn't work and they got destroyed for it

>>2248657
As much as I hate Neocons and Zios, he was right we need to take down academia. Trump defunding Harvard and Columbia is objectively a good thing. Fuck the PMC. They are enemies of the workers.

>>2249138
anti intellectual retard

>>2249104
I mean…

>>2249135
Oh so he never read anything and was a moralist

> Our assumption that Vietnam would be the political and moral fulcrum by which we would tip this country toward revolution foresaw every possibility except one: that the United States would pull out. Never had we thought that the United States, the archimperial power, would of its own volition withdraw from Indochina. This development violated a primary article of our hand-me-down Marxism:


>>2249142
naw fuck the universities especially the private ones.

>>2249145
He was definitely never a Maoist because Mao would talk like "eh, the Americans will soon get bored in Vietnam and go home" *takes another drag off a cigarette*

>>2249145
The university is a refuge for the anti proletariat liberal. But it will be salvaged and not destroyed when the time comes. The resources they contain will be put in better, more proletarian hands.

>>2248657
I dont give a shit about this nobody. Today is the celebration of all of worlds working class.

>>2249158
Ah, but did you consider that sometimes the working class does bad things? Sometimes things that are just as bad as their capitalist "oppressors?" Checkmate, leftist.

>>2249137
most effective party in the history of the USA, every other party is cucked servile trash that stacked no millitancy and get no popularity or damage to the capitalist hegemony.

>>2249183
CPUSA I’m the 1930s did more to advance socialism in America than the BPP. This is just a fact. Foster and Browder were actually effective in reaching the American proletariat.

>>2249170
Working class has no power they are slaves.

>>2249183
>most effective party in the history of the USA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT MAN, THE SPUSA WAS MORE EFFECTIVE AT THEIR PEAK, THE BLACK PANTHERS' GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IS DOING WHAT A CHURCH DOES HOW YOU CAN EVEN SAY THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE IS LAUGHABLE

>>2249210
>the '30 s.
after that they became irrelevant lmao.
>Foster and Browder were actually effective in reaching the American proletariat.
great man theory put into praxis, after they died the party died with them.
>>2249228
>they were more effective at their peak.
LMAO, CPUSA achieved jack shit in the end, at least black panters were primary in the end of jim crow and had to be murdered by the state before even maturing just from deduction of their growing popularity against the government.
>HE BLACK PANTHERS' GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IS DOING WHAT A CHURCH DOES
the church is the most effective method of political spread in human history, the ussr died and the fucking church returned with ease, no wonder the black panter actually grew instead of the stagnatocracy of the CPUSA had become.

>>2249264
SPUSA BUDDY, NOT CPUSA, SPUSA

THREAD THEME

>>2249104
Reminds me of how Bob Dylan idolized Woodie Guthrie (who was a tankie) and modelled his early leftist politics after his. Then all of a sudden he became a born-again Christian and full-blown Christian Zionist.

Authoritarian left always breeds the authoritarian right.

>>2248657
>Parents were CPUSA members who raised Horowitz to be a Stalinist. After working with the BPP and the 60s New Left, Horowitz betrayed the Panthers and went on to shill for Reagan and the Neocons.

So why did he abandon the left?

>>2249430
Nobody has put forward the most obvious answer yet: he thought Reagans project of aggressive neoliberalization was more revolutionary than the black panthers. He's an accelerationist.

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>>2249430
>So why did he abandon the left?
This event seems to have shook him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Betty_Van_Patter

>>2249397
>Authoritarian left always breeds the authoritarian right.
Or the fanatical, sectarian left. He moved to the right, but anyone who still disagreed with him or the cause etc. was a traitor and deserves to be subjected to bloodcurdling denunciation. One day you see no difference between fascism and social democracy, and the next day you're an anti-communist who sees no difference between Nazism and communism. The narrow-minded personality remains along with the feelings of intense hatred and seeing the world in black and white, it's just differently distributed (to paraphrase Isaac Deutscher).

>This irrational emotionalism dominates the evolution of many an ex-communist. ‘The logic of opposition at all costs’ says Silone, ‘has carried many ex-communists far from their starting-points, in some cases as far as fascism.’ What were those starting-points? Nearly every ex-communist broke with his party in the name of communism. Nearly every one set out to defend the ideal of socialism from the abuses of a bureaucracy subservient to Moscow. Nearly every one began by throwing out the dirty water of the Russian revolution to protect the baby bathing in it.


>Sooner or later these intentions are forgotten or abandoned. Having broken with a party bureaucracy in the name of communism, the heretic goes on to break with communism itself. He claims to have made the discovery that the root of the evil goes far deeper than he at first imagined, even though his digging for that ‘root’ may have been very lazy and very shallow. He no longer defends socialism from unscrupulous abuse; he now defends man-kind from the fallacy of socialism. He no longer throws out the dirty water of the Russian revolution to protect the baby; he discovers that the baby is a monster which must be strangled. The heretic becomes a renegade.


[…]

>His former illusion at least implied a positive ideal. His disillusionment is utterly negative. His role is therefore intellectually and politically barren. In this, too, he resembles the embittered ex-Jacobin of the Napoleonic era. Wordsworth and Coleridge were fatally obsessed with the ‘Jacobin danger’; their fear dimmed even their poetic genius. It was Coleridge who denounced in the House of Commons a Bill for the prevention of cruelty to animals as the ‘strongest instance of legislative Jacobinism’. The ex-Jacobin became the prompter of the anti-Jacobin reaction in England. Directly or indirectly, his influence was behind the Bills Against Seditious Writings and Traitorous Correspondence, the Treasonable Practices Bill, and Seditious Meetings Bill (1792-4), the defeats of parliamentary reform, the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act, and the postponement of the emancipation of England’s religious minorities for the lifetime of a generation. Since the conflict with revolutionary France was ‘not a time to make hazardous experiments’, the slave trade, too, obtained a lease on life – in the name of liberty.


>In quite the same way our ex-communist, for the best of reasons, does the most vicious things. He advances bravely in the front rank of every witch hunt. His blind hatred of his former ideal is leaven to contemporary conservatism. Not rarely he denounces even the mildest brand of the ‘welfare State’ as ‘legislative Bolshevism’.


>He contributes heavily to the moral climate in which a modern counterpart to the English anti-Jacobin reaction is hatched.


>His grotesque performance reflects the impasse in which he finds himself. The impasse is not merely his – it is part of a blind alley in which an entire generation leads an incoherent and absent-minded life.


>The historical parallel drawn here extends to the wider background of two epochs. The world is split between Stalinism and an anti-Stalinist alliance in much the same way as it was split between Napoleonic France and the Holy Alliance. It is a split between a ‘degenerated’ revolution exploited by a despot and a grouping of predominantly, although not exclusively, conservative interests. In terms of practical politics the choice seems to be now, as it was then, confined to these alternatives. Yet the rights and the wrongs of this controversy are so hopelessly confused that whichever the choice, and whatever its practical motives, it is almost certain to be wrong in the long run and in the broadest historical sense.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/deutscher/1950/ex-communist.htm

>>2249445
>She had reportedly threatened to make public her discovery that the party doctored its books and had major tax problems.[8]
Wut?

>>2249448
Apparently Horowitz introduced her to the Panthers to get their bookeeping in order, and she found some shenanigans but I don't know if she was already falling out with them before she decided that was a problem. Becoming an accountant for the Black Panther Party and being uncomfortable with not everything being on the up-and-up is a little bit strange to me, but whatever. She was murdered and nobody knows who dunnit, but Horowitz believed the Panthers killed her and, while I'm not a psychologist, sounds like he became a fanatical anti-communist as a way to externalize and project his own guilt in the matter.

BARF

>>2249451
>sounds like he became a fanatical anti-communist as a way to externalize and project his own guilt in the matter.

You mean guilt over having introduced her to the Panthers, or guilt at the fact he may have been involved in her death?

>>2249467
Watching this, and I find it very telling how so many of these ex-communists who become right-wingers always pander to their new conservative friends by attacking leftism on a spiritual basis, e.g. "it's not that Marxists are wrong about economics, the fight between capitalism and communism is fundamentally a SPIRITUAL BATTLE between the forces of GOOD AND EVIL". If any of you had the stomach to read SNITCHaker Chambers' Witness or Tell-a Dodd's School of Darkness you'd know this is exactly how both of them attacked Marxism after they left CPUSA and subsequently had Christian conversions.

New pack

>>2248657
just in time for MAY DAY

>>2248840
That is an empty platitude, you are retarded for not seeing that . You can't trust anything you believe because you can't even form coherent thoughts

>>2249397
>Authoritarian left always breeds the authoritarian right.
Myopic analysis. You could apply this logic to any party traitor, whether that party be "authoritarian" or "libertarian". It also places the "authoritarian right" at the footsteps of the left, as if it was the lefts fault for the right.

>>2249228
>>2249270
Bruh, what are you talking about? The SPUSA were in a constant state of splitting, riding the coattails of existing movements, and (eventually) working against communism and opportunistically supporting US measures to try and win popular support. And this was when the Black Panthers were around.

>>2248676
>Not like they would have accomplished anything anyway. Huey Newton was a drug addict and the breakfast program was the only decent thing they did.
The Black Panthers accomplished more in trying to unify marginalized communities against the re-up of police suppression and abuse in their neighborhoods then any other party every really did during their time. You're judging them in terms of how much they built while violently under attack, as opposed to the degree they resisted what was happening to them and black communities. And even if Huey did drugs, what point is this? Nearly everyone did in the 70s and 80s.
>>2248835
I would say they had a pretty good strategy for the position they were birthed into.

>>2248669
>conservatives can't get jobs in academia (half true)
none true
i mean depends on the field obviously but i'd guess like 80% of economics profs are right-wing, like 60% of STEM, maybe 40%ish percent of both philosophy and history (though I think in history you mostly get liberals but a lot of them hate communism and downplay American crimes)

>>2250190
its more like a specific breed of american conservative has been locked out of academia due to being backwards ass religoids that reject evolution and secular public education as a concept. You could be a ghoulish neoliberal or randian all you want but magatards literally think the concept of having to cite a source that isnt fox news or infowars is a jewish conspiracy

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>>2249472
I dunno. I'd reckon it's the first one but Horowitz was also a deadbeat who didn't like to pay his bills.

>>2250228
That’s fucking lulzy.

>Parents were CPUSA members who raised Horowitz to be a Stalinist.
>ex-communist
i'm not surprised that would happened to the haz community

>>2248976
>>2250291
First as tragedy, then as farce.


>>2250527
How long until he says Marx was an anti communist?

>>2250541
"Marx never claimed to be a communist. You know, Marx's ideas were very close to INNOVATIONISM!"

>>2249502
In Witness, Chambers claims the first thing which lead him out of CPUSA was his wife’s refusal to get an abortion. He claims CPUSA was Malthusian and promoted birth strike by demanding party members abort their fetuses. Interesting.

Not a big loss for humanity.

>>2248657
>>2248661
Am I the only one who thinks he looked like Gargamel?

>>2252531
>CPUSA was Malthusian and promoted birth strike by demanding party members abort their fetuses.
NOOOOOOOOO MAUPIN

>>2252704
Hey hey get, let’s not be antisemitic.

>>2248661
>"i describe how my father would take me through the streets of the neighbourhood and we would rename them what they were going to be after the revolution."
i cry evrytim

>>2248671
The fact Chambers and Dodd both died of natural causes is proof CPUSA were pussies.

Goodbye and good riddance.


>>2267377
>While Horowitz remained productive up to the very end, nothing of his later works bears any originality. His defenses of conservative politics sound more like Fox News soundbites than something written by Edmund Burke. His analytical abilities clearly declined with his apostasy. As a leftist, Horowitz was clearly aware of the differences that separated Marxists from the bourgeois imperialists of the Democratic Party. As a conservative, he lumped them all together and the Democrats appeared as another radical organization hellbent on destroying America. It is a notion that the Horowitz of 1968 would have scoffed at due to its sheer stupidity.

>As part of his new conservative branding, Horowitz never missed an opportunity to tout his credentials as an ex-Marxist. This produced one of the few post-1974 works of Horowitz worth reading, his memoir Radical Son (1997). At times, Horowitz can be intimate in recounting his thinking and the various episodes of his life. Yet the reasons for abandoning his former convictions are incredibly hollow and unoriginal. Horowitz comes off as a poor plagiarizer of J. L. Talmon, Whittaker Chambers, and Fyodor Dostoevsky where he bemoans the communist left for rejecting original sin and deifying man’s reason in its place which will inevitably end in terror and totalitarianism.


>As a Marxist, Horowitz was no orthodox theorist, but he did make genuine contributions in works such as Free World Colossus. And even his heterodox beliefs were part of a sincere revolutionary commitment against exploitation and oppression. During the sixties, Horowitz’s writing showcased many of the best traits of an engaged Marxist intellectual — insightful, rigorous, accessible, and overtly partisan. While Horowitz’s writings and actions from his later period showcased an equally extreme partisanship, he produced almost nothing of any substance or value. Like many renegades before him, Horowitz travelled the familiar road from radical to reactionary. There was nothing remarkable distinguishing Horowitz’s rightward journey from so many others, except that he turned it into a very lucrative career in defense of the status quo.

How was the funeral?

Was it a traditional Jewish funeral or not given he wasn't observant and was basically a Christian?


>>2248657
Another case of trying to educate youth into marxism and failing due to their inherent neurological reactionary tendencies.

>>2248835
>>2248983
>>2250066
>>2249137
what's the difference between /r/Asmongold and leftypol?

>>2249502
Speaking of which, has anyone here read Horowitz’s Radical Son? How does it compare to Witness or other McCarthy-era snitch memoirs?

>Jewish
You think David Horowitz underwent metzitzah b'peh as a baby?

>>2276963
>metzitzah b'peh
Should NOT have googled that.

>>2276760
Horowitz's entire shtick was basically a rip-off of Chambers', expect Horo-shits didn't have a dramatic Christian conversion.

>>2268633
Asmoncuckolds don't pretend to be communists.

>>2276963
kill yourself

>>2276963
Only some Hasidic sects still do that FYI. Most mohelim will use a sterile tube, as they should.

>>2253899
Oh, you mean they didn't actually have goon squads like Paul Kengor claims?

>>2276963
Unironically yes.

>>2276760
Radical Son uses a lot of standpoint epistemology, Horowitz claiming he "knows the left best" because he lived it and re-examined it when it got too hot for him. He uses the "re-examined" trope a lot, actually. A lot of it revolves around him trying to prove how morally superior he is.

I'd say Witness is more about Chambers ranting about the evil metaphysics behind communism and how he left it when he saw the "truth" of Christianity.

>>2248657

Hell doesn't exist. Do something or keep coping.

>>2282148
If hell doesn't exist, then where is Henry Kissinger currently burning right now? Checkmate.

>>2280948
What I find striking about both books is how much Chambers and Horowitz lambast intellectuals and intellectual thought while praising “experience” as the antidote. It’s like standpoint epistemology for right-wingers.


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