Primitive Communism is the most successful mode of production in human history. For over 200 thousand years human beings lived in small groups, hunting and foraging for food and producing tools, handicrafts and shelters for themselves. During this time all labor was directly social. There was no value-form, no markets or money, no class society, and hierarchies were extremely limited or ephemeral. Small numbers of hunter-gatherers even persist in this lifestyle to the present day.
Maybe instead of worshiping some statist industrialization experiment that barely lasted 80 years, you could instead follow a communism that actually WORKS and has a proven track record of success and stability.
>>2253316"follow a communism"
It should be a bannable offense to be so illiterate and confident. Get polio and die, thanks.
>>2253316>>2253319>>2253368uygha they killed all the animals in North America, Australia, and the Near East and agriculture developed because human beings were too successful at hunting and exhausted their sources of food (why the fuck else would you wait months for seeds to grow otherwise)
Also the anprim solution for Africa would literally be to deindustrialize
This thread is incredibly stupid
>>2253390So close. Yet so far at the same time.
>>2253555it is largely not industrialised
I was born in Africa an lived and studied only in Africa , I should know
May be anprim is somehow right if it is not taken directly as going back to hunting.
If methodology is: we figure where capitalism is going and build that, but faster or better. The economy, not the wars. If you think so, I think that is wrong.
Capitalism produce lots of things, everything it can turn to profit and some people ok with that. But as it is capitalism, it is using force, it is private property, wages. We do not know how it all linked. If I could work less, will I still drink coffee? Will I need a car? May be not, I'll be ok using a bus. etc.
While it seem capitalism is going to something like playng video games as a job, communism will not have that.
If we attribute some of the consumptiong and GDP growth, to private property, then communism, compared to modern capitalism, will look slightly primitive in the type of things it is producing.
>>2253316Engels talks about revrnfags
No, you won't be able to retvrn
>>2253316there are too many humans now dependent on mass agriculture so going back to primitive communism would require mass death of 99% of the human population on earth which makes it unfeasible unless you can agree for people to do voluntary anti natalism for generations until the human population dwindles and even then without industry humans will repopulate by having raw no condom sex because condoms require latex which doesnt exist in nature.
And thats not even gonna happen because people would rather just have shit capitalism than go back to hunting 8 hours of endurance hunting for an animal to eat or spending all day looking for mushrooms/berries/etc.
Primitive communism was indeed based but it had limitations that people wouldn't wanna live with today, the better solution is to recreate the good parts but with technology and medicine
>>2253876>latex which doesnt exist in natureIt exists, but not enough for so many people. It is also barbarik if you want it in bigger quantity..
I've read they are not against the factories… I'm not sure I remember correctly.. but their question is: you use the tool and you understand it is a tool, like, the condoms factory VS you no longer recognize it is just a tool to help us, the limitations and side effects of it, and you think it is the only way of doing things, from a tool it becomes something like an ideology that dictates how you should do things, etc.
So.. idk where you got 8 h/day. I was fishing, not at commercial fisheries. With smaller population you could fish enough fish for a week in a day, using a sportive method. So you could have lots of time for something else.
May be people will prefer not working 8 h/day +++ everyday. One thing when you use industry as a tool to produce condoms and food, things like that, but different if it is programming and lots of other jobs, etc, division of labor.
>>2254128Latex only comes from condoms.
Condom's don't exist in nature.
Checkmate athesits.
>>2253316Trvke
The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster
>>2253876>latex which doesnt exist in nature.Anon, are you dumb?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rubberhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex
>In nature, latex is found as a milky fluid, which is present in 10% of all flowering plants (angiosperms)[2] and in some mushrooms (especially species of Lactarius).[3] It is a complex emulsion that coagulates on exposure to air, consisting of proteins, alkaloids, starches, sugars, oils, tannins, resins, and gums. It is usually exuded after tissue injury. In most plants, latex is white, but some have yellow, orange, or scarlet latex. Since the 17th century, latex has been used as a term for the fluid substance in plants, deriving from the Latin word for "liquid".[4][5][6] It serves mainly as defense against herbivores[2] and fungivores.[7] Latex is not to be confused with plant sap; it is a distinct substance, separately produced, and with different functions.
>The word latex is also used to refer to natural latex rubber, particularly non-vulcanized rubber. Such is the case in products like latex gloves, latex condoms, latex clothing, and balloons. It wasn't primitive, the ancients had technology more advanced than what we have today, play Chrono Trigger radlib
>>2253390>solarpunkliterally corporate yogurt commercial aesthetic lol
Here's some science I read from my RSS feed literally today:
<Ten principles for transforming economics in a time of global crises>Transformation of economic systems is widely regarded as essential for tackling interacting global crises. Unconventional economic approaches seeking holistic human and planetary well-being have transformative potential, but mainstreaming them is hampered by vested interests and intellectual lock-ins. They are also diffuse and struggle to develop sufficient discursive power to gain more widespread traction in policy. To bring coherence, we undertake a qualitative content analysis of 238 document sources from science and practice. We identify ten ecological, social, political economy and holistic principles cutting across 38 economic approaches. They include: (1) social–ecological embeddedness and holistic well-being; (2) interdisciplinarity and complexity thinking; (3) limits to growth; (4) limited substitutability of natural capital; (5) regenerative design; (6) holistic perspectives of people and values; (7) equity, equality and justice; (8) relationality and social enfranchisement; (9) participation, deliberation and cooperation and (10) post-capitalism and decolonization. We also consider opportunities and barriers to applying these principles in the context of global crises. Our results can help consolidate transformative economic approaches and support future efforts to synthesize conceptual models, methodologies and policy solutions and to validate the identified principles more explicitly within global south contexts.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-025-01562-4>>2279128>You can live on your own in your own shit, your descendants will leave to join the networked hivemind post-regime spanning the galaxy<she doesn't know that earth's microbiome will naturally turns feces into fertilizer, but Elon Musk's unholy space pods are sterile and teeming with filth, having attacked and dethroned God, forsaking his blessed alchemy of turning shit into goldTechnocrats are like that one zombie cyborg Digimon whose body is decaying into sewer slime because it rushed into gaining technological interfaces:
comrade Bogleech:
https://bogleech.com/digimon/d032raremon> This beautiful, beautiful thing is not only another of the "failure" evolutions, but the very largest and most "serious" of them. No toilet humor this time; just a gargantuan, terrifying abomination of diginature. As we've mentioned before, there was a time when cybernetic digimon were almost exclusively perfect-level evolutions, the idea being that they were a powerful but unnatural extension of the adult stage and that it took quite a bit of evolutionary power to stabilize such a dangerous form. You can probably begin to guess what's wrong with Raremon. > As an adult-level Digimon, Raremon represents a child-level attempting to rush its evolution into something more like Metalgreymon and failing about as hard as that can fail. Categorized as an undead rather than cybernetic Digimon, this crawling heap is said to be completely mindless and perpetually decomposing, unnaturally held together and animated by its barely-functioning cybernetic components!> The visual effect of those tiny, lidless, too-human eyeballs surrounded by misshapen patches of scrap metal is FAR too cool, and especially far too cool when they're crudely stapled to this particular pile of carrion above that particular, horrible, gaping maw. As simplistic as it is, Raremon's face is immediately distinct from any other monster I can think of, and it perfectly communicates the kind of brainless, ghastly mistake of evolution that we're supposed to be looking at. > But why do I, personally, love this Digimon more than almost any other? Why is it so high on my list of favorite creatures from any franchise? I don't know what intrigues me so much about creatures that are slimy, rotten and malformed. To some degree that's kind of common, given the popularity of so many mutant and undead creatures throughout popular culture, but those are usually deadlier, more wicked looking creatures than this saggy pile. Raremon's clumsy body plan and vacant, gaping stare give it an underlying "dopiness" that makes it more horrific in a more "pathetic" than "cool" way, and that's not a combination a lot of other people seem to be into, but it's an aesthetic I've always been fascinated by. Raremon is a thing that isn't supposed to exist, an evolution that's basically a punishment for a Digimon's hubris, and it really looks the part! >>2253316>human historyNice spook humantard.
The most successful mode of production is BACTERIA. They far predate humans and far outnumber humans. And they're all equal. We could learn a lot from bacteria.
Smash your computer and smartphone and start eating shit NOW!
>>2279123in hunter gatherer style society theres no time for turning latex into molds that requires agricultural society which is productive enough to have a full time specialist in crafting.
The most reliable birth control in hunter gatherer would be pullout or using breastfeeding to delay additional ovulation
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