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I often hear that humans are hard-wired to care more about ingroups than outgroups. This is often used by reactionaries to justify capitalism, imperialism, colonialism, racially homogenous ethnocentric societies, etc, but I found that this entire way of thinking falls apart very quickly for many reasons.

1. It's spatial but not temporal. Due to physical proximity and consanguinity, A man might care more about his children than about his neighbors. A man might care more about his grandchildren than his neighbors. He might even live long enough to see the birth of his great-grandchildren. But can it really be said that he cares more about his 10x-great-grandchildren, totally potential people who haven't been born yet, in the far future, more than his own neighbors, merely because of consanguinity?

2. The spatial nature of it is already dissolved by capitalism. We live in a world where anyone can potentially migrate anywhere at any time. Sure there are legal barriers, but there is also a way around those legal barriers, and even in countries with strict immigration restrictions, there is a constant exposure to foreigners through tourism, international media, trade, etc. If the people aren't arriving, their commodities and media are.

3. The ethnocentricism and homogeneity is already absurd on its face. For example we see people who are clearly not white engaging in white supremacy, partly because they have been brainwashed to dehumanize themselves, but also because the definition of what constitutes "whiteness" has been stretched to such goatse'd proportions as to be unable to return to its original narrow definition, causing the concept itself to dissolve and diffuse, that is, to self-sublate, into absurdity.

4. There is no putting the genie of technological development back in the bottle. Even if resource scarcity and climate change cause us to take many steps backwards, we will develop alternate "tech-trees" with whatever resources we have left, or go extinct branching into new potentials even as the situation becomes increasingly unfavorable for our present unsustainable way of life.

5. Interdependence of nations and peoples is now so obvious and so powerful that there is a strong case to make, viz. the imperial boomerang, that not caring about non-proximates (i.e. foreigners, people of different faiths, people of different ethnicities, people of different ideologies etc.) constitutes not caring about oneself. Anything "bad" your government does to foreigners in your name with your tax dollars will come back to bite either you or your children. Think of how many orphans grow up hating the United States because of US foreign policy. There is a huge incentive to be anti-imperialist not just out of pure empathy for The Other, but out of self preservation for the Future Self.

I'm sure there's other places I could have gone with this, but that's just off the top of my head.

>>2254030
Fake webm.
Earth is a flat triangle and only 4861 years old.
Stop lying to the masses.

Do you care about your favorite hobo more than you care about your family?

>>2254044
is this a sincere question, or a trick question meant to mischaracterize the post

>>2254052
No. I believe that ingroup preferences are real and there are material reasons for them not some capitalist bullshitting. You outlined them yourself. I care about people because Im a nice guy. I cannot help 10th generation into future.

>>2254054
>No.
So it's not a sincere question?

>>2254055
Dude. Try all you want people are retarded. Im just explaining it is real and you can't get rid of it.

So what are you trying to say here?
Im so confused.

>>2254030
Ingroup outgroup is learned behaviour it's not innate and therefore be overcome

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>>2254056
>There's no such thing as change or evolution, everyone and everything stays the same forever, nothing ever happens

>>2254058
>I often hear that humans are hard-wired to care more about ingroups than outgroups. This is often used by reactionaries to justify capitalism, imperialism, colonialism, racially homogenous ethnocentric societies, etc, but I found that this entire way of thinking falls apart very quickly for many reasons.
<lists reasons

is it really that confusing?

>>2254044
This guy deliberate ignored what OP wrote about compassion being spatial

>>2254062
Wait so humans are not hardwired to care about ingroups than outgroups?
I find this hard to believe and your reasons are hard to understand sorry bro.

>>2254030
>I often hear that humans are hard-wired to care more about ingroups than outgroups.
We're actually hardwired to only care about ~100 people and ethnic identities are bullshit because they're greater than 100 people. Some guy in Maine isn't going to care about some stranger in Alaska just because they're both white

In psychology there’s a ton of ways to develop in group loyalty. Hazing works, because once everyone goes through a shared ordeal it’s easy to sympathize with the one another. Sports teams do some similar shit, especially among young kids—we all go to the same school, we’re all dudes, whatever.

Now emphasizing shared burdens or identities is important for struggling together. Reactionaries are wrong in assuming these are objective and unchanging things. However instead of doing that the Left prefers to emphasize “we’re all different, you’re worse than me, we’ve got nothing in common and can’t communicate with each other.”

>>2254077
>Some guy in Maine isn't going to care about some stranger in Alaska just because they're both white
that's exactly what OP is saying, he's just also pointing out that a guy isn't even going to care about his own kin if he's only a potential person in the distant future or an unknown historical person in the distant past.

>>2254099
>Hazing works, because once everyone goes through a shared ordeal it’s easy to sympathize with the one another.
In the field of religious studies they call this a "credibility enhancing display."

Vid related, particularly 2m13s

>>2254102
Eh I consider religious ritual different from hazing. Hazing is like just purposely putting someone in a stressful, painful, or embarrassing situation. Stuff like mass prayer and communion aren’t that stressful. Shared oppression also creates a shared sense of community.

Of course, as I said, the Left’s got none of that. It fractures by design.

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>>2254121
I'm not saying religious rituals and hazing are the same, I'm saying they both belong to the broader category of "Credibility enhancing displays". For something on the venn diagram that overlaps, consider the guys in the Philippines who take the stations of the cross so seriously that they get themselves literally crucified (complete with real nails driven through their palms or wrists) as a public display of devotion to their belief in Christ.

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>>2254030
>ywn live on the columbia supercontinent in the calymmian period of the mesoproterozoic era in the proterozoic eon 1.462 billion years ago

why even live?


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