/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2256813
Nothing

neoliberalism is collapsing

>>2256904
It’s always collapsing, that’s what it’s designed to do

>>2256911
its not collapsing, its descending

We're already in WWIII:

>Russia vs. Ukraine
>October 7th and the subsequent Gaza genocide, also the spiralling of this war into full-blown regional conflict with Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen
>now India vs. Pakistan

Yup. Just like how WWII started when Japan invaded Manchuria, then Germany invaded Poland, then Pearl Harbour, we're seeing the exact same type of events play out now.

>>2256917
Until the nukes fly nothing has happened

>>2256978
So multiple ballistic missiles and mass bombing campaigns being used directly against civilian positions to the point where several major cities in Sudan, Ukraine, Palestine, and soon to be Pakistan is nothing happening, but we draw the line at nukes?

>>2257017
You forgot Myanmar and Congo too, might as well throw that in, face it, there’s always some kind of major war or chaos happening at any given time. Every crime Israel is committing now was done to the Tamil people in the northern peninsula by the Sri Lankan government.

There's 5, or arguably 6. Not 4.
India and Pakistan, obviously began heating up yesterday.
Russia vs Ukraine, in which Russia has nukes.
"Israel" also has nukes and is conducting a genocidal war on Palestine.
Being the american liberals you are, you all forgot the USA is a nuclear nation actively bombing and murdering people globally right now, attacking Yemen and so on.
And arguably also the DPRK, since they're technically still at war with the ROK.

>>2256813
>>2256904
>>2256911
>>2256915
Y'all saying nothing ever happens without saying the meme lol

The redpill is that nukes don't exist, or at least in the world destroying sense that people think of. That is a myth created entirely to reinforce an ideological myth that we are at the end of history because if you try to do anything, we will blow up the earth and everyone will die.

You only know what a nuke is from what the government giving you pictures of mushroom clouds (which are fuel explosions as you can see in the Beirut disaster), which has an inherent interest in scaring other nations, tells you. Modern nuclear safety agencies not connected to the USA have found nuclear "disasters" like Chernobyl didn't really have any major, lasting damage and we know all the bullshit hysteria myths like the Japanese with their "tainted" people were entirely false. The official longterm health effect of Chernobyl on people that live there or nearby is just slightly elevated iodine levels, while their death rate is tied to their severe alcoholism.

>but what about the people with radiation sickness
The only known examples of that are people *immediately* next to the source, like by inches. The most famous example is the demon core and yet people in that same room that just stood a few feet farther back lived a natural lifespan. There was a nuclear engineer, Galen Winsor who lives to a normal age and died from natural causes and he would literally put spent uranium in his mouth, after using a geiger counter to prove it.

https://youtu.be/1R1ReBuvsMk?si=HvQ-0gKXfdy6nH3T

There are standard veterinary procedures that leave animals a thousand times higher than the "you're dead" radiation level that are listed on geiger counters (vid related).

https://youtu.be/mu8MdQgqtzQ?si=f_x3cuABSjWr_KLl

The actual, world ending disaster is Capitalist waste destroying the world with pollution and unrestrained harvesting of resources. The nuclear weapon mythology serves an ideological purpose not only for military reasons, but also reinforces the foundations of our economy. Chernobyl was hyped up in western history to scare people from free, clean energy. Galen Winsor makes that very clear in his seminars, though he doesn't make any "nukes are fake" claim like I do. I just believe it's a myth just like Iraq's WMDs because the world-ending capability claimed about nukes does not match any sort of actual, real examples of nuclear "disasters" that have been concretely studied. I believe the anti-nuke movies and other fear-mongering campaigns posturing itself as "resistance" are actually serving as ideological state apparatuses, as Althussier put it.

<we can destroy the world but we don't, aren't we so humane?
<now let us slowly rape the world to death so porky can eat good

>>2258040 (You)
Also the reason I became a "schizo" on this is because I used to go to aerospace museums and I saw this little thing they claimed was a case for a "nuke" which had a literal knob on it, like the ones on an old microwave, that could set the "nuke" to explode larger or smaller. That was the fakest thing I've ever seen in my life. It became clear to me that you can say literally anything about nukes and people will believe it, because it's like Plato's allegory of the cave. You don't know what a nuke is, it's entirely formed on these """anti""" nuclear propaganda pieces like Fallout, STALKER, Threads and so on. Threads is one of the worst movies ever made. It's insane how that piece of shit is treated seriously when the prevailing message is that if the government even somewhat collapses (it doesn't entirely collapse in the movie) then we'll literally become mutant savages. It doesn't take a socialist to understand how stupid that is, no wonder Reagan loved it.

Other points I forgot to make
>the animals in "irradiated zones" like Pripyat don't have geiger counters, yet it's one of the best examples of "rewilding" with a massive biodiversity hotspot compared to the rest of EUROPE
>claiming "radiation sickness" is a very easy welfare scam that people pull. There's been people getting away with claiming it all the way in Italy. This is because there is no actual symptoms.
>there was a massive, MASSIVE surge in abortions in the height of the nuclear fear hysteria. Excited mothers were successfully scared into giving up their future child. Yet, there is no examples of mutant babies. That's entirely a media creation. There's a reason they never corrected people when, such as in Japan, victims were being severely alienated and treated with disdain if they were seen with any burns or missing limbs. I laugh at any attempt to moralize against nuclear energy, when this is the result of their propaganda. Discrimination and crippling anxiety.

>>2258040
>>2258062
Nah nuclear energy is the most expensive at this point and also quite dirty, but basically a bonus for countries which have a weapon program on the side. The nuclear winter scenario is very alarmist but actually it's good thing to envision the worst so a weapon that can be only used by the most powerful in the world willy nilly to incinerate millions of people in seconds stays in the pandora box. Also good luck building socialism when most of the productive forces are glass, mode of production will just revert back to feudalism again.

>>2257799
Isn’t the USA crumbling in its nuclear and ballistic missile capacity anyways? You know how old this warheads are? I’ve heard reports that some of them don’t work anymore

>>2258114
Its nuclear capabilities are still significant, but it seems like it's being degraded by all the same economic and industrial forces as its regular military. Most of its current stockpile is from the 80s or earlier and costs to upgrade the missiles themselves and all relevant systems appear to run anywhere between 1.2 and 2 trillion dollars.

Also

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00963402.2024.2441624

>For example, in March 2024, a nuclear-capable B-52—part of a pair operating over Eastern Europe—flew into the Gulf of Finland toward St. Petersburg all the way to Russian airspace before it abruptly turned south over the Baltic States (Kristensen Citation2024d). Two months later, two B-52s from a Bomber Task Force deployed to RAF Fairford in the United Kingdom flew over the Baltics, and at one point were within a dozen kilometers of Kaliningrad (Gordon Citation2024). Additionally, in July 2024, two B-52s flew through Finnish airspace for the first time before landing in Romania to start the first B-52 deployment in that country (US Air Forces in Europe – Air Forces Africa Citation2024). While these two particular aircraft were not nuclear-capable, another nuclear-capable B-52 flew east of Svalbard Island, south toward the Russia missile submarine base on the Kola Peninsula, and further over northeastern Norway and Finland in November 2024 on its way to Europe (Kristensen Citation2024a).

Jesus Christ.

>>2258141
Oh well

>>2258040
Oh, I don't doubt the total destructive capabilities, but it's a moot point
People can be so miserable they say fuck it we balling

But that attitude requires a fighting spirit. Not just for greater but to feel indignation. The stripping of culture, religion, and even self aggrandizing isn't just a byproduct of liberalism, it's intentional.

People hate themselves and each other.
If they genuinely felt victimized and robbed, they'd retaliate.
If they felt they had something to gain they'd retaliate.
If they felt for others they'd retaliate.
Capitalism has to alienate you from everyone, even your own reflection to work.

Its only a matter of time when human errors cause the the crisis to blow over.

>>2258062
>Threads is one of the worst movies ever made. It's insane how that piece of shit is treated seriously when the prevailing message is that if the government even somewhat collapses (it doesn't entirely collapse in the movie) then we'll literally become mutant savages. It doesn't take a socialist to understand how stupid that is, no wonder Reagan loved it.
That doesn't even make sense, retard. Even if "Threads" was about le guberment collapsing (which isn't the case) then people like Reagan would hate it, lol.

threads was bourgeious propaganda.

>>2258409
>anti-war movement in the west was bourgeoisie propaganda
Comrade it was 110% Soviet propaganda.

>>2258433
Isn't this what preppers like Cresson Kearny said?
>The anti-nuke hysteria is caused by soviet propaganda. They are trying to demoralize us while the Soviet government is organizing the Civil Defense and building bunkers!

Nuclear weapon was only ever dangerous when only one country had them.
The only way we're seeing a nuclear bomb drop again is if some crazy terrorist group get their hand on one.