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I got into online rabbit hole of extreme rightoids, I went for curiosity to see what they speak and thinks, in the end I got more radicalized towards the left, unironically many of those rightoid outright defend taking rights of women, kill minorities (depending on their country of origins it varies), some form of hyper capitalism because of some bizzare idea of social darwinism "might make rigth" , what really got me was the sheer hate against women, jews, and people that don't follow their idea of how people should be and behave, it's bizarre and it's frightening, I was a more moderate on politics, having genuinely interacted with extreme reactionaries it's a wake up call, they are a minority on the right, but I wonder if you let those people loose what would happen, it's genuinely dangerous, those people are extremely narcissistic, almost sociopath other lack for care for other people beside themselves. It's sound neurotic what I'm saying, but it's for fear, there are people out there that want to lock women inside a house and take their rights. What the fuck

more frightening than that, for me at least, is going into comment sections on facebook, yahoonews, youtube, etc and seeing how extremely deluded so many people are. they arent or shouldnt be assumed to be an accurate cross-section of the population by any means, but even if you only take the people actually posting those things and dont project it further into assuming anything about people in general, thats a lot of people who seem to just have some level of basic "conceptual impermanence" for lack of a better word. like an apparent unwillingness, disinterest, and/or inability to have a consistent frame of reference for the conclusions they draw from their observations. i dont think these people are inherently stupid or anything, at least not all of them, its more that theres a saturation of information about varying degrees of abstractions of the world, but no impetus to critically evaluate that information or sensibly incorporate it into a perspective outside of a basic level of avoiding cognitive dissonance

yes the insane, ideologically motivated fascist minority is scary, but to me not quite as scary as the sense that a largre portion of the population isnt just "wrong" or "misinformed" which has always been the case, but in the face of information oversaturation seems to reflexively adopt this kind of egotistic relativism of "reality is what i can convince myself it is at any moment, and im not even obliged to be consistent from moment to moment." it just seems like this wildly cynical mindset that discourages any kind of effective action because its incredibly hard to get people thinking that way to even agree on basic aspects of the world theyre supposed to be acting on

>>2257849
Communists gave their lives to defeat fascism. This is why communism was most popular right after WW2, even in the United States, with CPUSA reaching peak membership in 1947 and McCarthyism had to be unleashed to shut it down.

That fascists are cruel psychopaths shouldn't distract you from the fact that liberalism is as murderous.

Keep at it
Remember Stalin did nothing wrong except being too kind and merciful

>>2257871
That what I was thinking in a way, what's more dangerous the extreme reactionaries or the majority of people that "go with the flow" type, the latter is the type that would enable the former, I don't know, there are things on the left I don't fully agree with, but still I'm not seeing many leftist claiming for outright genocide of people or take the right of vote from women because "women can't think straight like man", in the end the fate of society is defined by the fight between political active minorities, be either from the left or right.

>>2257893
most of the time, the worst youll get from communists is unnecessary and irrelevant apologism for disastrous missteps and brutal excesses. even then, liberal historiography is so horribly rotted by anti-communism that in any account of historical or actually existing socialist states, you really need to look into the details closely to see where claims are coming from. theres a lot of things taken as gospel just because theyve been endlessly repeated, but are actually based on absolutely nothing or blatant fabrications.

>>2257922
I think the left has the heart in a good place, even though it can defend dumb ideas, now reactionaries don't care for people outside of their ideal of how a person should be or look like, they hate diversity.

Eat or be eaten my boy.

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>>2257849
>bizzare idea of social darwinism "might make rigth" … what really got me was the sheer hate against women, jews, and people that don't follow their idea of how people should be and behave, it's bizarre and it's frightening
Yeah that's very common. I'd add a prevailing spirit of irrationalism. I think one pathology on the right can come from people seeing themselves as like knights on a heroic quest, which leads to them becoming increasingly unmoored from reality. There's the phrase "tilting at windmills" from Don Quixote about a guy who becomes so enthralled by books about romantic chivalry he goes off imagining himself as a knight and fighting imaginary enemies (like seeing windmills off in the distance and imagining dragons). The novel was written during the Renaissance was a satire of the Middle Ages and contributed to emphasizing the clash between tradition and modernity to a ludicrous effect. "The morning star is Satan and the first thing you do when the sun rises is that you wake up… woke."

A hardcore example is a neo-Nazi group. They come to see basically everything as out to destroy them personally and the white race generally, but they don't even like most white people who they see as race traitors or too gay or whatever. They see Jews everywhere too. Like certain things they don't like (which is a lot of things actually) are "Jewish." It can be anything.

It can be explained as a combination of those things. It's a little island of vision, duty and idealism surrounded by an ocean of threats: women, the crowds, communists, chaos, fun! Children! Basically everything.

Klaus Thewleit said these people were "noch nicht geboren." They were psychologically "not yet born" so they only felt real in a uniform. These people were so paranoid of things they can't control they create a generalized "them or us" situation. In a religious context this is a Manichean universe that splits everything into good and evil.

>>2257922
I think cults are the thing to watch out for among communists. They'll turn you into a zombie, enlist you in some Stalinoid bootcamp, or drag their membership into all sorts of disasters because a dynamic develops around a megalomaniacal "great leader" whose ideas are fairly unpredictable and who surrounds himself with a core of sycophants who repeat his gibberish. They don't necessarily start out this way, there's a tendency for people – especially those with psychological weaknesses and those who feel estranged by the dominant institutions of class society – to look for moral support from others so disposed, but then negative group dynamics set in which squash independent thinking. It can also occur (or seems to) after defeats, and the left loses a lot, so the problem compounds.

And that's disastrous for the left. You have to think for yourself. But you also have to act in concert with others and that's the ultimate contradiction of revolutionary politics.

Another tendency is towards dogmatism. Like, say a million or so fast-food workers go on strike, how many read any Marx before doing it? Not so very many. But that's because it's not "Marxism" which holds sway but objective reality. Now, Marx would have predicted many of the workers' complaints, but it's not the Marxist axioms which created the workers' movement once they began following them dogmatically. "Marxism" here really is more of a guide to action, a compass or guidepost.

I have also done something similar as you and lurk extremist telegram groups quite frequently.
What gets me is the amount of boomers and gen x on there. I was thinking for a while a lot of the extreme schizo vrill type right wingers online were just zoomers but these guys have families and are just guys that you’d see around the street everyday but then they go online and talk about the best ways to exterminate all the blacks. They also cannot have any sort of meaningful discussion about any topic because it always ends in it being the Jews so you literally can’t even pierce their programming in any way.

>>2257893
One thing I’ve recently noticed in alarming numbers is the Nazi apologia on literally every social media platform. Obviously it’s always been brewing under the surface but now it seems that every comment section under a post about WW2 is filled with comments with huge amounts of likes saying “we fought the wrong enemy” and whatnot. My thinking is how much is this organic and how much is it astroturfing from bad actors/

>>2258314
My experience too, but it's wasn't boomers, but young adult guys with jobs and normal life, but online let their hate spill out, like killing jews and black and gays, and "putting women on their place"

>>2258137
That make me wonder if extreme rightoids are mentally mature, may come out as kind of lack empathy, autistic and somewhat dumb they cannot grasp things beyond the immediate of their experiences,

>unironically many of those rightoid outright defend taking rights of women
One leopard moment that comes to mind is Louise Black. Some idiot over in Australia whose a candidate of their Liberal Party and tried to buddy up to the National Socialist Network and hook them up with lawyers and shit.
https://thewhiterosesociety.writeas.com/taking-the-louise-black-pill
<Ctrl+F "Louise had a few criticisms" to find the chat log>
She told them that Nazi saluting was shit optics for that TERF rally and they immediately call her a retard, a faggot, and tell her to get back in the kitchen and "leave politics to men". Oh, but they're also claiming they're "protecting women". It's more hilarious than sad, and it's fucking sad.

>It's sound neurotic what I'm saying

No, it's basic sense. You are a functional human being lol, nothing neurotic about seeing these insane rabid freaks and saying "we need to do something about this!"
Bash the fash isn't just a slogan. Some of us are out here doing that shit, and we do it for a good reason.
I've seen a principled 🧊🍑 advocate shut down their own platform once they realized the nazis in their nazi bar weren't just joking to own the libs and actually wanted to kill his non-white wife and thought his jewish friends were shapeshifters.

btw if you have anything worth chucking in /farcism/, please do: https://nukechan.net/social/thread/611.html

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on an unrelated note: I remember an italian fascist who would come here like once a month for a discussion. I mentioned anon.cafe/fascist/ (continuation of 8ch/fascist/) and they went there, told them their reading thread was garbage and got b& all within like twenty minutes. Fukken got banned from /fascist/ before /leftypol/, even with the uptight mods we had at the time. Shit's hilarious. But really, gone are most of the fascists who actually read theory and dont sink in culture war trash, even their niche online safe spaces got flooded with retarded notsocs.

>>2258474 *
lol i did the wrong "who's"

>>2258122
wait this isnt my vore chatro­om

>>2257871
Disagree. There's the basic reality we live in, and there's ideological frameworks to analyze it through. One's factual, the other more subjective. I'm able to accept different perspectives as long as there's reasonable backing and consistent value system behind it.
I can accept a liberal, a centrist, non fascist conservative, but not a Trumper or fascist for example.
As long as we (mostly) agree on factual material reality then there are a wide breadth of perspectives that can be taken, while still being respectable, whether you disagree or agree.

>>2257922
This articulates the reason why I'm open to communism but fascism and Nazism is completely evil and irrational.

>>2258459
>may come out as kind of lack empathy, autistic and somewhat dumb
[start 1:30]

>>2258486
I mean the madness is the attraction. The reason I don't support fascism and Nazism is because they're not evil and irrational enough. Fascists and Nazis always end up being moralizers about sex and drugs. Also I couldn't give a fuck about money. Fascism and Nazism is always funded by profit-driven capitalists which just ends up boring. I'm a degenerate hedonist who wants a weird fucked up ero-guro world.

TLDR
Fascists and Nazis are boring.

>>2259290
IDK. Like there's a lot I saw as accurate in Klaus Theweleit's work but also basically Theweleit was just describing symptoms of PTSD which would be common in veteran soldiers and the demographics the Nazis wanted to recruit from.

IDK and like I know I'm a neurodivergent lumpen but that doesn't make me a Nazi or a fascist.

Like there's some porn which almost gets the incel stuff but kind of fails miserably in its analysis https://archiveofourown.org/works/61832122/chapters/158100634
Some other porn I find semi-relevant https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/a-prison-a-body-nsfw.63933/

IDK there's some kind of jouissance in stuff like "Tetsuo: the Iron Man" which I find most communist media just doesn't really get. But I don't so much jouissance in the contemporary alt-right.

>>2259293
Anyhow I put a lot of it down to unemployment and lack of species-being. Same reason why Black kids get into crime. You're not human, not a person. IDK how to explain. Kind of sucks but it doesn't mean you have to be a fascist or a Nazi. Jouissance is a form of existence for a moment. It's not individualism or collectivism it's nihilism. Anyhow, I found a lot of good relatable material on lumpen issues by Black communists. I would really recommend that autists read some Eldridge Cleaver or maybe stuff like "Blood in my Eyes".

me and my girlfriend have been open to having another male present in our relationship. recently my male best friend said that hes known ive want to fuck him for a while LMAO. I told my other male schizophrenic friend that I have a crush on my male best friend even tho im dating a chick and basically what he said to me was "im a fascist" and then he texted the guy i have a crush on that hed beat him up next time he sees him ;9 AHSDHAH anywho. crazy day, good thing i can avoid the guy given hes in another city. my girlfriend is gonna be surprised by this news to say the least. LOL. my fagget commie ass would be the first one getting purged. LMAO

>>2259322
this day has radicalized me immensely :D

>>2259322
What the fuck

>>2259325
LMFAO i leave em speechless errytime

>>2259317
>IDK how to explain.
man can only affirm his species-being (what differentiates him from his animal-being, the physical and physiological processes etc) through labor, through changing nature, being an active participant in the creation of history. but because of how capitalist society is organized, workers depend on capitalists to give them work i.e. means of sustenance (wages). when the worker is working he is actually working for someone else, and when the worker is not working he's not affiriming his species-being. in capitalist society without wagework you can't even affirm your humanity

<As a result, therefore, man (the worker) only feels himself freely active in his animal functions – eating, drinking, procreating, or at most in his dwelling and in dressing-up, etc.; and in his human functions he no longer feels himself to be anything but an animal. What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm

>>2259334
I guess I would fighting to the list of things people feel human in.

>>2259485
animals fight though
though they don't have organized warfare

>>2259493
<As a result, therefore, man (the worker) only feels himself freely active in his animal functions – eating, drinking, procreating, […]
I meant I would add sadomasochism to the list as well. TBH this explains a lot of weird kinks to me. It's you know alienated people trying to feel free through the animal and the sensual.

>>2259293
>Klaus Theweleit's work
excellent stuff anon, whatever you think of his conclusions its a fantastic and well-compiled resource for analyzing reactionary psychology. glad to see it brought up here. and i dont think the PTSD thing really covers it, in so many of those cases theres such a consistent repressed attitude towards women and identification of communism and more generally upsets in social heirarchies with castration, at most i think war trauma would be an extenuating factor not the main explanation


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