/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2282340
okay, so what made hitler racist?

>>2282342
Probably a childhood trauma, but that's just my speculation. What makes a woman not attracted to a short man?

>>2282190
People shouldn't get arrested for this stuff frankly, I think there should be far more to this stuff, like actually going out and being involved in organization.
By supporting this stuff, you support this when it's turned around and used on leftists, like it is in the case of Palestine. All it takes is some bad faith Jewish person to cry antisemitism and you have the Met at your door and you are getting smeared all through the media.
It's also just chilling in that people can't talk about obvious issues with ethnic enclaves, terrible behaviour from new immigrants, without being called "racist". My area is quickly becoming an immigrant heavy area and I'm not going to lie, the quality of life, the upkeep of the area etc has gone to fucking shit. The concept of even putting rubbish in a trash can they are standing nex too is completely alien, noise and screaming and being boorish to 2am in the morning in the streets is now the norm, tonnes are aggressive, local shops now have locked up/tagged everything due to rampant theft etc. It shouldn't be 'racist' to point out the complete collapse in civicism and social standards that is common in heavily Immigrant areas and obviously, in areas like the north, where this results in massive almost industrial scale sexual assault, rape etc against largely white teen girls, this is going to send people over the edge. I lived in Sheffield for a long time, and I can tell you right now, almost every white, teenage girl, had stories about older Pakistani men trying to assault them, even the rainbow haired LGBT tumblrites I knew absolutely despised, and were terrified, of the Pakistani community in the North of Sheffield.

>>2282342
>okay, so what made hitler racist?
He wrote a book about it.

Hitler just had reasonable concerns about immigration.

>>2282349
>the jew had no recollection of the day before
this one resonates

>>2282344
>>2282349
no, no. the "cause" of hitler's racism is immaterial to the current discussion (we are discussing "what", not "why"). for hitler to be "racist", there must be a definition of the term which is applicable to a racist person. to be "racist" is to possess "racism". what was this quality in hitler? what is racism?

>>2282346
>By supporting this stuff, you support this when it's turned around and used on leftists, like it is in the case of Palestine.
Would happen anyways. Rupert Lowe, the "Free Speech Union" or any other of these fuckers have NEVER put their neck out for anyone on the left arrested for speech. We dont exist in a cohesive culture where people care about something equally applying to everyone. You cheer your enemies getting thrown in prison, you support your allies likewise. That is where we are, dont pretend its any different.

>>2282353
You're now asking me for a definition of the word 'racism'?

>>2282355
yes. we have established that hitler was "racist". for this statement to hold, you must have a definition of "racism" to apply to hitler.

>>2282356
You'll notice in my reply >>2282340 Iplaced the word 'racist' in inverted commas. I do not agree with the word and was simply referencing it rather than using it. Like I said earlier, literally everyone is racist. It's just a social mallet to bonk dissenters over the head with.

>>2282346
>By supporting this stuff, you support this when it's turned around and used on leftists
Stupid. If I laugh at a fascist dying in a plane crash, do I also have to laugh at a communist dying in a plane crash?
This kind of thinking always betrays a naive belief that you live in a democracy. This is not the law because we "supported" it and it will not cease to be the law if we "Oppose" it, particularly when our "support" and "opposition" come entirely from posting on the internet.

When the state hits someone I think is tedious and annoying, I smirk. When it hits someone I like, I frown. The law, as it is, winds up being made up on the hoof anyway. (Again, just look at the supreme court trans judgement. I don't care whether you support or oppose it, it is manifestly the judiciary making shit up to go "what if we interpret the law as though parliament accidentally made the GRA2004 redundant with the EA2010, despite it clearly having no such intent?")

>>2282354
That might be the current case, but I think we should be better than that. I also think that by calling certain, blatantly true/obvious things as racist/sexist, it's going to result in massive blowback and make us look like assholes when it blows up in our faces. Also frankly, you can not solve issues, if you cannot have frank, straight to the point discussions about it.
I straight up believe that Immigrants should be forced to go through a comprehensive civicism program, that teaches them things like good values, good behaviour, PUTTING LITTER IN THE FUCKING BIN, because white teenage girls wear skimpy clothing doesn't mean they are sluts begging to be raped.
But you could never propose such a thing among the Left here, because it would instantly be called racist. Despite it's something Communist countries have always done. To even move around the USSR you literally had to pass civicism/good values exams which were apparently extremely brutal.

>>2282360
it's called divide and conquer

>>2282346
>The concept of even putting rubbish in a trash can they are standing nex too is completely alien, noise and screaming and being boorish to 2am in the morning in the streets is now the norm, tonnes are aggressive, local shops now have locked up/tagged everything due to rampant theft etc
It's especially grim because you know these people are never going to get deported. They're literally going to stay here, as a burden on the state, making the country a worse place to live in, and no government (including Reform) is going to do anything about it.

>>2282360
No, but you have to understand leopards ate my face moment when you support something that is instantly turned around and used to crush the left. The Corbyn era should have been a wakeup call that "racism" and Identity Politics is not a winner for the left, and is more effectively used by the Establishment to censor us. Even with the Palestine censorship and suppression, leftists still seemingly support said laws, despite they are more often used against us than them. To me also, Baz with some racist views is not my enemy, Establishment liberals are. The Left should be in fact, finding common ground with the Baz's out there, on this topic, to get these laws changed, because they're ridiculous, and are so often used against us.

>>2282359
>l placed the word 'racist' in inverted commas.
yes i did notice that
>I do not agree with the word
yes, because you are a coward
>everyone is racist.
really? so the woman who tweeted is racist?

>>2282364
>We should be better
No, we are fucked. Either we fight in the mud, or we die in it.

>>2282369
again: you keep saying "support" as though there's any actual material support. it is not a leopards ate my face moment to laugh when it rains on your enemies, and to be mad when it rains on your friends. we do not live in a democracy, and me saying "i support x" does not actually mean anything. support must be material: a support beam holds up a building. me saying "i support the building being up!" does nothing.

your analysis is also very simplistic: contemporary establishment-liberal idpol (which is actually giving way to open reaction, but whatever) was a response to pressure from below. all the tedious little identity groups exist, have actual problems, and were beginning to organize and become conscious of them.
in these circumstances, the people in power did what they do best: channel that pressure from below into harmless avenues. #landback is expensive, but a land acknowledgement is cheap. fixing biased hiring practices is difficult and expensive, but hiring a grifter to give you unconscious bias training is cheap. transgender healthcare isn't actually that expensive, but pronoun circles are even cheaper. take a small, middle class segment of the group and elevate it, then direct the rest into endless discourse.

i suspect you want a future in which we just put all the tedious identity group whining behind us and go back to 1975 where you can just have a bunch of lads hold a red flag. it isn't happening, if there is a future for the left it includes liberating all of the unaesthetic identity groups from the cul-de-sac they've been misdirected down.
(which sadly, again, means communists must engage with people they find annoying.)

>>2282364
> because white teenage girls wear skimpy clothing doesn't mean they are sluts begging to be raped.
>>2282346
>noise and screaming and being boorish to 2am in the morning in the streets is now the norm,
That's funny, because that's like exclusively a young White girl thing in America. My god do those bitches love screaming at 2am when they are walking home drunk.

T. Used to live in a college town

Also staying in Manhattan near times square on the 30th floor, and you can hear them making their idiotic screams reverberating through the chasm of the street between the tall buildings all night.

>>2282380
>vidrel
Appears to be drunk Brit bitches in Amsterdam. It was the first vid that came up when I searched drunk loud women, seems it's probably pretty common in Britain as well I presume. I heard Brit's have a bit of a bad reputation in Europe for acting like drunken boors.

>>2282380
>>2282383
That's just women not being able to handle alcohol. When they're sober they probably have some sense of civic responsibility.

>>2282370
>so the woman who tweeted is racist?
yeah, she want to prison for being extra racist though. Inexcusably racist.

>>2282388
okay, so the woman is racist.
we have finally concluded the investigation.

>>2282390
we did it reddit!

>>2282387
>That's just women not being able to handle alcohol. When they're sober they probably have some sense of civic responsibility.
That's not much consolation when you have to listen to them every single night.

>>2282390
you know people were branded 'racsit' for not literally kneeling for a dead yank crackhead don't you? I haven't got a problem calling the jim davidsons of this world racist, but the word has lost all practical meaning. And I didn't do that. YOU did that.

>>2282391
by your own claim, the woman is racist.
pat yourself on the back.

>>2282395
arent you the one who said "everyone is racist"? logic dictates that a particular must partake in a universal. if "all" people are racist, then each person is also racist.

>>2282396
I wonder if your investigation will extend to Ricky Jones?

>>2282401
the fucking slime is talking to me about logic now. I said everyone is racist because it is a nonsense term.

>>2282402
who?
looking him up, seems that he was promoting political violence, but not racial violence in particular.
>>2282405
>i said everyone is racist
okay, thanks for clarifying
everyone is racist, ergo, the woman is racist

>>2282408
>but not racial violence in particular.
yeah, actually it was literal death threats. He didn't mention race, but neither did Lucy Conolly.

>>2282410
He did, however, grow up in London in the 70's, and as a result experienced racism directed at him. I would say this has made him resentful which leads me to interpret that his threat was directed at white Britons.


I'm doing the same thing you are, but you won't see this in any news report.

>>2282410
>yeah, actually it was literal death threats
right, so it would probably be categorised under terrorism, no? incitement to political violence. he could also be particularly racist. im not familiar.
>lucy connolly
didnt she say to burn people alive? seems like death threats as well.
>race
well, according to you, everyone is racist, so racism is always implied in any statement

>>2282417
neither Lucy Conlolly or Rick Jones explicitly mentioned race.

>>2282420
sure, thats why i say that we must infer implicit content, or connotation. ricky jones msy be inferred to be racist, the same as lucy connolly, but neither are explicitly racist. it depends on context.

it's obvious to everyone here that this is retarded right-wing timewasting sophistry, right?

>>2282422
soo your bleeding leftoid heart wouldn't bleed at the sight of this as a headline, and don't lie to me. I will know if you are lying.

>>2282423
the revolution ain't happening comrade, get a fucking job

>>2282424
They didn't even mention his name in the headline, so as to bury the article. I see through them.

>>2282424
i already admitted to being particularly racist myself, so im not quite as bleeding heart as others. the issue for leftists is often that they purify terms like religious blasphemy. to be "racist" is to be excluded from the community, like being called a witch. you perform the same purification in reverse, by denying the leftist divinity all together. between the two though, there is the mere fact of racism, which is a formalism that i defend. lest, we enter into subversive universals, such as you propose; "everyone is racist". you see how you sound just like a politically correct punk?

>>2282430
When I say 'everyone is racist' I mean it is a label you can stick on anyone at any time for any reason.

Here is the actual headline, not the absurdly long search string, and the fact his name is not mentioned.

*note

>>2282432
>When I say 'everyone is racist' I mean it is a label you can stick on anyone at any time for any reason.
but you cannot even qualify what "racism" is because you do not believe in its particular claim. you will not say that hitler was racist, for example. this disavowal of the term is just superstition in reverse, as i say. you are giving power to the word so much that you will not even evoke its name, like how jews are forbidden from speaking the name of God.

New thread:
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>>2282436
everyone is vulnerable to being labelled a racist.

>>2282436
here you go ,what do you reckon to this?
I am going to stay out of the next thread and leave you commies to your discussions.

>>2282444
its an accurate headline. "racism" is a *particular*, not *universal* claim then, as we see.

>>2282447
It's not a real headline, I edited it to be on par with the ricky jones one.