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https://statehistory.ru/books/pod-red--G-F--Krivosheeva_Rossiya-i-SSSR-v-voynakh-XX-veka--Statisticheskoe-issledovanie/27

This says Germany and allies had 5.5 million soldiers against Soviets' 2.9 millions in 1941. 1.9 Nazis to every Soviet. Meanwhile, Soviets had 3 tanks to every Nazi one, 2 planes per every Nazi plane.

Pretty certain that a better equipped military, even if smaller, deals better K/D ratio than other way.

2nd pic: full losses vs sanitary losses. The hilarious part about this is, it claims that 3 people have died for every 1 injured. This is, frankly, impossible.

This is the apex of idiocy:
>Given that the losses of the fronts were constantly replenished, the list number was maintained at about a certain level, as far as possible, and the percentage of average monthly losses varied depending on the intensity of the fighting. If you add up all the losses for a certain period of the war, then their total will often significantly exceed the average enlisted strength of the active army (navy, branch of the armed forces) for this period. Sometimes — several times. For example, if in a company with an average monthly strength of one hundred people, the average monthly losses were 25%, then for a year with the same number of companies on the list (100%), the total losses would be 300%. If, for example, we take the Western Front, its average monthly strength in 1941 was 501120 people [ 57 ], and irretrievable losses for that year amounted to 956293 people [ 58 ] Therefore, in 1941 the front lost 190.8% of its enlisted personnel, while every month 30.3% of its personnel irretrievably retired.. Together with sanitary losses, 259% of the average monthly population decreased during the same period. Thus, taking into account the replenishment, 41.1% of personnel were lost in the troops of this front every month in 1941.
Not only it contradicts factual reports from the frontlines at these dates, it contradicts military science itself, because 25% losses in a unit make unit unable to fight, period. As in, dead weight. Even Soviets attempts at counterattack would be impossible due to lack of moving parts in a unit.

You do realize most of the archives were forged by Gorbachev and his cronies, right? No the Soviets were not le human waves but actually valiant soldiers willing to put their lives on the line for communism, the proletariat, the party, and of course comrade Stalin without whom they would have been cast adrift and left to the mercy of the west

This is like the nonsense people discuss about Lend Lease. People genuinely believe the USSR only won WW2 because of American/British aid. I'm British, and everyone with a brain knows in 1940 we were absolutely destitute. We relied more on American tanks, armoured cars, jeeps and trucks than the Soviets did. Most of our arsenal was American by 1942. The Soviet tank fleet after Stalin began to put the war industry into full drive? Almost entirely domestic.

>>2260442
>You do realize most of the archives were forged by Gorbachev and his cronies

We would then have to throw out the archives all together by that logic.

>>2260445
>The Soviet tank fleet after Stalin began to put the war industry into full drive?
It was domestic throughout the war. Soviets had STOCKPILES, because they have prepared for war. Problem was mostly mobilization, not equipment, because Germans were outnumbering Soviets basically 2 to 1

>>2260446
And? Documents must be evaluated on their own merit. In case of Soviet losses figures - nobody has ever saw those, they don't exist, all we have is not ARCHIVE evidence but rather "trust me bro" numbers put out by the likes of Krivosheev. He claims to have researched every "base level" document on losses, but then we have archival evidence in the form of frontline reports from units, which do not match Krivosheev's (or Wikipedia's) figures.

Stalin on the extent of mass repressions of 1937-1938

Выступления на расширенном заседании
Политбюро ЦК ВКП(б)
(конец мая 1941 года)

"Сталин И.В. Cочинения. – Т. 15. –
М.: Издательство “Писатель”, 1997. С. 20–37."

Page 32:
Наши враги за рубежом в провокационных целях распространяют слухи о массовых расстрелах, которые якобы имели место в Советском Союзе, проливают крокодиловы слезы по разоблаченным нами и расстрелянным своим агентам, по всем этим Тухачевским, Егоровым, Якирам. Утверждают, что разоблачение иностранной агентуры в СССР якобы понизило боеспособность советских вооруженных сил, а число расстрелянных в Советском Союзе чуть ли не перевалило за миллион человек. Это провокационная клевета. В 1937 году за контрреволюционные преступления судебными органами был осужден 841 человек. Из них расстрелян 121 человек. В 1938 году по статьям о контрреволюционных преступлениях органами НКВД было арестовано 52372 человека. При рассмотрении их дел в судебных органах осужден был 2731 человек, их них расстреляно 89 человек и 49641 человек оправдан.

>Our enemies abroad, for provocative purposes, spread rumors about mass shootings that allegedly took place in the Soviet Union, shed crocodile tears for their agents who were exposed and shot by us, for all these Tukhachevskys, Egorovs, Yakirs. It is claimed that the exposure of foreign agents in the USSR allegedly lowered the combat capability of the Soviet armed forces, and the number of people shot in the Soviet Union almost exceeded a million people. This is a provocative slander. In 1937, 841 people were convicted by the judicial authorities for counterrevolutionary crimes. 121 of them were shot. In 1938, 52,372 people were arrested by the NKVD under articles on counterrevolutionary crimes. During the judicial review of their cases, 2,731 people were convicted, 89 of them were shot and 49,641 people were acquitted.

<In 1937, 841 people were convicted by the judicial authorities for counterrevolutionary crimes. 121 of them were shot.
<In 1938, 52,372 people were arrested by the NKVD under articles on counterrevolutionary crimes. During the judicial review of their cases, 2,731 people were convicted, 89 of them were shot and 49,641 people were acquitted.

121 + 89 = 210 people shot during Great Terror in total.

Furthermore, the full extent of Great Terror was actually 52,372 people arrested, out of which 49,641 people were acquitted.

That's it. That's all there was to it

>>2260436
Don't rely on an author just because he claims he's an expert on archives. Obvious anti-soviet, far-rightoid "historian" Töppel too is supposedly an expert on WWII archives and critisized Krivosheev but i know he's full of shit.
David M. Glantz seems to come close to sort of a neutral historian regarding WWII matters (if that's even possible), his numbers are regarded by a lot of historians to be pretty plausible and i would agree.


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