/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Good question

Uh? Last time I wonder online and interact with rightoid they still hate jews with passion and dream to kill them, only more fringe rightoid are pro-Israel, vast majority hates jews and Israel.

>>2260868
yeah but they hate muslims more and that's the key

>>2260868
But they all seem to cognitive dissonance themselves into either not caring or approving of the fact that the party they vote for supports Israel.

>>2260872
they're just OK with palestinian genocide, especially if it's committed by people they also hate. then it doesn't matter to them who wins. Machiavelli in The Prince basically says (paraphrasing) "send a guy you hate to do your dirty work for you and then execute him afterwards. the people will see you as a hero."

>>2260868
They hate muslims/arabs more than they hate jews. Rightoid states made sure to make them the new jew.

The Lehi Gang were essentially nazis.

>>2260871
>>2260879
What? What world you people live? Rightoid hate jew more because they think Jews control the West or something, sure they rate muslim, but between Jew and muslim on hate scale, Jews get the cake because they see are more a profund threat the rightoid worldview, muslim are just some "barbaric" religion out there.

>>2260858
>Jews have been knighted as "honorary" whites, and have been enlisted as crusaders against Muslims by white European Christians.
I've seen a lot of pro-Israel stuff on the right that co-opts the language of the Enlightenment so therefore the West (and Israel) represents reason, science, and secularism while the Muslims are a backwards, irrational, nihilistic death cult. This is the language they use. There's also an invented, retroactive linking between Enlightenment liberalism to "Judeo-Christian" civilization (even though the Enlightenment was largely a break from religious orthodoxy) to justify this alliance.

Douglas Murray is emblematic of this trend and he really tries to be like Christopher Hitchens (who also spoke like this) but one difference is that Hitchens never liked Israel and thought Zionism was dumbed-down nationalism, a "waste of good Jewry" or something like that.

Thing is, many Enlightenment philosophers did believe Europe represented the pinnacle of civilization and rationality and used that to justify colonialism. The concept of the "white race" is like an updated framing of the Christian vs. non-Christian (now Judeo-Christian vs. Muslim) or the "civilized vs. barbarian" rendered in "scientific" or biological terms, atlhough these types of pro-Israel people don't talk about the "white race" but "the West" and "Western civilization" etc. Then a few years ago Richard Dawkins began describing himself as a "cultural Christian."

>How should the secular international Communist left combat these powerful spooks?
That's above my level.

>>2260868
While there's definitely an anti-Jewish and anti-Israel right, these pro-Israel guys have large audiences and they're also closely tied to where the power actually is, which gives their communication a lot of weight.

>>2260881
They were and some of them turned into weird nazbols who saw themselves as "Canaanites." But they were a pretty small group within the Yishuv. The large majority of armed Jews in the late-40s were in the Haganah, which skewed left, and the hardest-hitting Jewish military force within that was the Palmach (or "Strike Companies") that was basically Stalinist, pro-Soviet.

There's nothing schizo about it. The reason far rightists began collaborating with Zionism in the early 20th century is that they had the same interests. Both wanted to see the jews out of Europe and both thought jews and gentiles couldn't co-exist. Both were racist against jews (yes, zionists have written some really nasty things against jews)
>Jews have been knighted as "honorary" whites, and have been enlisted as crusaders against Muslims by white European Christians.
Truth
<Theodor Herzl wrote: “I believe that Zionist idea, … is a colonial idea.. .”5 He wrote that the Zionist programme in Palestine should “form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia,” and be “an outpost of civilisation as opposed to barbarism,” a post of Western culture on the shortest route to Asia. Somewhat later the Zionist ideologists were at great pains to conceal the colonialist nature of Zionism by invoking hypocritical formulas about the “civilising mission” and “burden” of the white man in the Arab East. And finally they declared Zionism to be a national liberation movement.

>>2260883
That's not true, the average low autism score rightoid hates Muslims far more than they hate Jews. In fact, most a philosemitic and think the Jews killing Muslims is a service to them.
The group you're referring to is a distinct minority of the right.

>>2260967
There's a lot of philosemitism in the U.S. among Evangelicals. I have an uncle (he's old as fuck) who wanted to actually go to Israel and fight on their side at one point when he was younger… which sounded aspirational… because he watched Exodus. I know another woman who is very pro-Israel, was talking to her yesterday in fact and she was wearing this on a shirt. And I noticed an Israeli flag flying behind the bar in a Mexican restaurant in town, and I don't think it's a Jewish-owned business because there aren't very many Jews who live around there. And there are tens of millions of these people.

>>2260976
I'm not talking about Evangelicals, even normgroid cuckservatives believe all the greatest ally bullshit

>>2261032
>jews aren't white
true, neither are italian, french or germans. too swarthy. uphold ben franklin thought

>>2260868
Sometimes you get people who hate Jews but like Israel. There are various reasons for this, ranging from them hating Arabs/Muslims even more, to ideological justifications like saying that having a physical homeland to defend causes Jews to lose their rootless and subversive tendencies and become an ordinary nation. Other times they just see Israel as a model for the kind of state they want for white Europeans, or as a solution to getting all of the Jews out of "white" countries. Often its some mix of all of these views.

>>2260883
>What world you people live?
A world of the blackest reaction where my small arab headscarf wearing mother got beaten down by a german cop infront of me while I was 5 with him escaping any consequence.

>>2261087
>swarthy
what does that mean?

>>2261313
Mediterranean

>>2261313
ctrl+T dictionary.com

>>2260858
not rare. multiple photos were shown during the first weeks of zios invading Gaza, where they were altogether with ukrainian nazis tattooed with sonnenrads.

one of the side plots in Thomas Pynchon's Inherent Vice is that there's a Jewish crime lord named Mickey Wolffmann who uses neo nazis as body guards. The main character Doc Sportello is a stoner private investigator who learns about this through a member of the Black Guerrilla Family who just got out of jail. It's such an interesting sequence in the book because it takes place in LA in the late 60s, and Pynchon, who was probably a spook at some point in his life based on his well known real life paranoia, STEM background, proximity to the US security apparatus in the 1950s, and tendency to write about shit like Operation Paperclip a lot, made me think he based that character Wolfmann off of a real guy.