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What do we think of "rewilding"?

>Rewilding is a form of ecological restoration aimed at increasing biodiversity and restoring natural processes. It differs from other forms of ecological restoration in that rewilding aspires to reduce human influence on ecosystems. It is also distinct from other forms of restoration in that, while it places emphasis on recovering geographically specific sets of ecological interactions and functions that would have maintained ecosystems prior to human influence, rewilding is open to novel or emerging ecosystems which encompass new species and new interactions.


<A key feature of rewilding is its focus on replacing human interventions with natural processes. Rewilding enables the return of intact, large mammal assemblages, to promote the restoration of trophic networks.[4] This mechanism of rewilding is a process of restoring natural processes by introducing or re-introducing large mammals to promote resilient, self-regulating, and self-sustaining ecosystems. Large mammals can influence ecosystems by altering biogeochemical pathways as they contribute to unique ecological roles, they are landscape engineers that aid in shaping the structure and composition of natural habitats. Rewilding projects are often part of programs for habitat restoration and conservation biology, and should be based on sound socio-ecological theory and evidence.


Will socialism have to "Rewild" part of the planet to deal with climate changes?

Abolish suburbs and put everyone into high density cities or small towns in order to preserve natural environment?

rewilding is petty booj utopianism, because private property "or something'

>>2262435
Rewilding sounds more like deleting private property and creating spaces reserved to nature that are collectivelly managed though

>>2262430
leftypol became a geopolitics spectator nationalist forum. No one will engage with your thread. Leave before it's too late or you will end up arguing with ziggers 5 hours/day

>>2262439
“Nature” is a reactionary notion and “rewilding” is an artificial cap on productive forces. PAVE IT ALL, IF YOU WANT TO SEE ANIMALS, GO TO THE ZOO

Who cares this will not happen in our lifetime

>>2262445
imagine being the rube that believes this shit, how the fuck is oxygen gonna work when you have no trees, the only way coruscant works in star wars is with futuristic technology, with current technology paving the earth is a death sentence for all mankind and possibly all life.

>>2262452
Imagine thinking random plants and animals matter more than the lives of human beings

>>2262455
the lack of care for human beings is a result of inequality caused by capitalism not lack of growth. There is plenty to go around and has been for decades, world hunger can already be cured.

unless you're saying the problem is "lack of growth" like some sort of leftypol-neoliberal

>mfw leftypol is unironically saying enclosure was a good thing to own the libs

Can this be done i capitalism?

>>2262445
>Let us not, however, flatter ourselves overmuch on account of our human conquest over nature. For each such conquest takes its revenge on us. Each of them, it is true, has in the first place the consequences on which we counted, but in the second and third places it has quite different, unforeseen effects which only too often cancel out the first. The people who, in Mesopotamia, Greece, Asia Minor, and elsewhere, destroyed the forests to obtain cultivable land, never dreamed that they were laying the basis for the present devastated condition of these countries, by removing along with the forests the collecting centres and reservoirs of moisture. When, on the southern slopes of the mountains, the Italians of the Alps used up the pine forests so carefully cherished on the northern slopes, they had no inkling that by doing so they were cutting at the roots of the dairy industry in their region; they had still less inkling that they were thereby depriving their mountain springs of water for the greater part of the year, with the effect that these would be able to pour still more furious flood torrents on the plains during the rainy seasons. . . Thus at every step we are reminded that we by no means rule over nature like a conqueror over a foreign people, like someone standing outside nature – but that we, with flesh, blood, and brain, belong to nature, and exist in its midst, and that all our mastery of it consists in the fact that we have the advantage over all other beings of being able to know and correctly apply its laws.

Engels, bitch

we're too late

Something something deep ecology

>>2262464
short answer: probably not. You can't have degrowth or even alternate-growth with capitalism.

you can maybe do it with a heavily statist form of capitalism but it would require heavy redistribution of wealth downwards from the top to make it politically viable which the bourgeoise will not tolerate.

The best we can hope for is more pro density housing policies and try to stop them from selling off national parks/lands

>>2262466
ok doomer

>>2262464
>>2262469
Thr current "plan" in capitalism is to commodify nature to know what value is being lost when it is destroyed, a few environmental battles were won that way because money is the only thing porky understands. Kind of like they deal with climate change trough taxing carbon emissions.

>>2262472
yeah some libertarian guy had the idea to privatize the ozone or something and just fix climate change by having the ozone owners sue polluters in court for damages

>>2262452
It's a reference to a classic RevLeft post from Haz
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/2083.html

>>2262430
Sounds good to me. Mass murder land lords, throw their bodies in mass graves and let nature take over what they previously owned.

>>2262430
>Abolish suburbs and put everyone into high density cities or small towns in order to preserve natural environment?
>>2262514
>Mass murder land lords, throw their bodies in mass graves and let nature take over what they previously owned.

I thought this was the plan the whole time? I mean, duh.

>>2262514
you don't really need to remove them, just make them have a real job.

>>2262430
It's based obviously

>>2262477
>haz
dont compare rafiq to e-celebs

>>2262439
Nah, it's just nihilism mixed in with luddism

Seems like a stupid idea. What about the animals which have been so domesticated that they can't survive in the wild? What's a fucking bulldog supposed to do in the Australian bush?

Secondly, what are even the effects on the ecosystem when you suddenly release thousands of domesticated animals into the wild overnight?

>>2262707
I dont think the idea of rewilding is literally rewilding the whole planet, just more of it than exists today

>>2262983
>I dont think the idea of rewilding is literally rewilding the whole planet
Even if it was, releasing a bunch of domesticated animals into the wild would in no way constitute rewilding. I'd say we'd just kill'em all but rewilding will take enough time that we can just let them live their usual lives while restricting their reproduction and call it a day
>just more of it than exists today
the lowest of bars

Rewilding is falling for the same problematic westoid ideology about man vs nature, just reversing the polarity so we leave it alone instead of destroying it. We should be actively managing ecosystems to keep them from collapsing, and that will likely involve a lot of intervention. We can't RETVRN to a pre-humanity "virgin" state, and we shouldn't even if we could, since nature does change with time. Global warming is going to make that completely impossible though, and we should instead be trying to manage ecosystems to be as resilient against mass extinction as possible, with the focus being on avoiding loss of biodiversity/biomass rather than saving any specific species.

Le indigenous people did stuff to care about ecosystem, or something. So, rewilding is retarded


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