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Right now, I feel burnt for critically supporting Nahendra Modi toward Indian liberals and leftists because of Modi overseeing growth and modernization in India.

That was why I was willing to give him critical support, but he's turned into a Netanyahu figure with the recent Pahalgam war, destructive not only to Pakistanis, but also to his own nation, with him effectively threatening to trigger a thermonuclear war the next time ANYONE, not just the Pakistanis, tries something in India, because you cannot properly attribute terrorist attacks. At this point, I want him gone ASAP, almost at all costs.

Has anyone else been burnt like this before?

>critically supporting fascists against leftists
no, i have not been burnt like this, because i'm not that retarded.

Hey NAFOids, I gave you an opening. But Putin's not half as retarded as Modi because he has created zero neo-Dalit classes. Putin is an authentic Russian right-talk left-policy leader, whereas Modi's beholde to Shiv Sena and RSS, the former of which denounced him for not doing a full invasion of Pakistan.

>>2268100
>Putin is an authentic Russian right-talk left-policy leader
>left

compared to who obama ?


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>>2268100
>right-talk left-policy

>>2268087
Why couldnt leftists or liberals oversee this modernization? Just look at China

>>2268091
like why the fuck would you think REACTIONARIES who are OPPOSED TO PROGRESS are going to be a good figure for MODERNIZATION?

https://en.thebell.io/russia-opts-for-nationalization-of-foreign-firms/

>>2268122
Because that'd require revolution? Right talk left policy is also known as triangulating the chuds. The neo liberals triangulate the left, the nationalists triangulate the chuds if they're actually patriotic.

And yeah, I was the one comparing Trump to Modi and suggesting we tail Trump until he betrays us. I can't quite say never again, not yet, but I'm shaken.

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>critical support
>for Modi

>>2268188
The gentleman in your picture formed the Wuhan Consensus with Modi.

BRICS India lifted hundreds of millions from poverty, developed the productive forces and crushed US backed islamic terrorism just like china, they are AES

>I feel burnt for critically supporting Nahendra Modi toward Indian liberals and leftists because of Modi overseeing growth and modernization in India.
crazy how the more obsessed someone is with le geopolitics the worse there takes are like tf kinda aesthetic brained shit is this lmao

>>2268100
>muh authenticity
NGMI

>>2268351
You are a useless Trot with no concept of tactics.

>>2268466
posting is not "tactics"

>>2268466
im not a trot n u just useless in general lmao

>>2268087
You're not a communist.

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>>2268087
>Right now, I feel burnt for critically supporting Nahendra Modi
Marxists support national self-determination where it advances the class struggle (see: Poland in the 19th century, Ireland, anti-colonialism in the 20th century) because there is some kind of national and political oppression. But nationalism can also divide the working class along national lines. Basically nationalism creates a class compromise against a perceived foreign enemy. It's a bourgeois ideology that encourages workers to identify with their exploiters and unify populations under bourgeois rule.

For example, there were the revolutions of 1848 in Europe that was initially led by liberals and nationalists, but they quickly revealed the contradictions between the bourgeoisie and proletariat, which launched an uprising in Paris after the new bourgeois-led republic turned against them. Marx's takeaway is that the bourgeoisie would betray the revolution to maintain property and order, so the European proletariat had to support each other ("workers of the world unite"). I'm not so familiar with India but it used to be colonized by Britain and was an oppressed nation, then India became independent and a bourgeoisie rose up that now pits Indians against each other because of their religion, or encourages militarism so Indian workers see Pakistani workers as their enemy even though they're both poor and speak Hindustani.

how did anyone take this bait, literally nobody here cares about india unless you say alot of slurs

>>2268509
maybe one of the 2 billion people living in india or its neighboring countries

a lot of people got burned with the fall of Bashar al Assad. leninhat had a breakdown.

Just be Keralapilled bro.
You don't need to shill for a fascist.

>>2268100
Putin's pretty different from Modi at least insofar as he isn't nearly as far to the right, in terms of policy is probably comparable to the average Western conservative. Russia is also in a direct confrontation with the West whereas India vs Pakistan is basically a coin-flip as far as multipolarity is concerned.

>>2268087
>because of Modi overseeing growth and modernization in India
Superpower by Friday

What does "giving support" mean, exactly?

>>2268756
blowies, handies, fingerbang, etc

>>2268515
Technically speaking, there are 3.66 billion people living in the countries adjacent India and India itself. Afghanistan subtracted, fuck you chuds.

So reactionary idpol is okay if the economy grows? Literally what makes you different from a US republican?

>>2268767
Poor countries growing is different from rich countries growing. Rich countries growing means penthouses, poor countries growing means people can eat a full meal.

>>2268779
It would grow faster under any of the CPIs and wouldn’t feature lynch mobs dragging people out of their cars for assuming beef consumption

>>2268785
Odds of CPIs actually taking power? The lot of every Communist Party that isn't Cuban, Chinese, North Korean, Laotian, or Vietnamese, is to be bitter and cynical.

>support
NOBODY ON THIS GODFORSAKEN WEBSITE MEANINGFULLY "SUPPORTS" OR "OPPOSES" ANYTHING. MILLIONS OF WORDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS ON LEFTYPOL DOT ORG WASTED OVER THE QUESTION OF IMMATERIAL "SUPPORT" (CHEERLEADING FOR GOVERNMENTS)

>>2268100
The absolute state

>>2268466
Daily reminder that campism is a Trotskist concept.

Well what have you been doing in support of him? Money, opinion peices, fliers? Just stop doing that and support someone that opposed him.

>>2268807
considering how many people use this word despite literally nobody on this site knowing what class character means or what a workers state is I actually wish we had trotskyites on this site

>>2268466
supporting the nationalist NATO asset who massacres communists is tactics

>>2268807
>Trotskist concept.
Ok uygha and?

>>2268087
why were you critically supporting the butcher of bharat? from the jump he's been a hindutva fascist, sikh independance crushing, naxalite hating, muslim murdering rat king of fascism, corporatism, and western interests.

you're a fucking idiot. this is nothing like critically supporting less than wholesome resistance movements.

>>2268466
eKKKonomism is wrong. Trotskyites were eKKKonomists. ModicuKKKs like you are the trotskiyites. Each of trotsky deviations are form of eKKKonomism. Read Stalin.

The fall of the "Economists" and the Mensheviks was due, among other things, to the fact that they did not recognize the mobilizing, organizing and transforming role of advanced theory, of advanced ideas and, sinking to vulgar materialism, reduced the role of these factors almost to nothing, thus condemning the Party to passivity and inanition.

The strength and vitality of Marxism-Leninism is derived from the fact that it relies upon an advanced theory which correctly reflects the needs of development of the material life of society, that it elevates theory to a proper level, and that it deems it its duty to utilize every ounce of the mobilizing, organizing and transforming power of this theory.

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We must critically support whoever kills more brown proles

>>2268928
Except the Chinese Mensheviks are winning, because their material circumstances weren't Lenin's material circumstances, and they were able both to cooperate with and betray the capitalist West.

>critical support
where did this meme even start

>>2269008
Wrong. Marxism-Leninism is thiving greatest in Communist China.

>>2269011
Some maoists unironically saying that shit to every national liberation movement

>>2269015
Wrong, you need to get yourself employed

>>2269015
In form, it is essentially Menshevik, an attempt to harness a controlled market socialism to develop the productive forces until FALC is achieved?

>>2269015
job
now

>>2269044
The distinguishing feature of Menshevism wasn't just the use of market economics to promote development (the Bolsheviks did this too) but halting the revolution once a liberal democracy had been achieved. China still retains the same basic political structures that came about in Mao's day.

>>2268087
>critically supporting Nahendra Modi
Sounds like Dangers of being a fucking brainlet to me.

>>2269088
Eh, I currently believe that Trump and Xi Jinping are engaged in a conspiracy to bring about world peace. It sounds ridiculous, but so's the fact that the Chinese Ministry of State Security sends prominent dissidents on all-expenses-paid luxury vacations.

>>2268087
Modi is Le Hitler REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2268115
So your point is that nationalization=left? Like, for real? Are people really still unironically on the whole "socialism is when the government does stuff and the more stuff it does the more socialister it is" meme?

Look if you wanna do the whole "critical support for Germany against British imperialism" thing that's fine. Personally I've given up asking people to learn century-old lessons. But you don't have to tie yourself into knots trying to frame Putin of all people as politically left in any way. The man's a fascist fighting a fascist war against other neo-colonial fascists being puppeteered by yet more fascists. Own that it's fascists all the way down and maybe you won't be finding yourself posting an embarrassing "Golly gee guys I supported this guy cause he was le epic based multipolarity development man but it turns out hes a fascist????" thread like this in the future.

>>2269539
>So your point is that nationalization=left
i think the point is that economic policies determine social conditions and not the other way around

>>2268087
> for critically supporting Nahendra Modi
>supporting Nahendra Modi

What geopolitics does to a mf, or something

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>>2269539
A particularly pernicious aspect of modern politics is people dressing up liberal nationalist developmentalism in increasingly radical political ideologies. Perhaps it's just a desire to return to the industrial growth and nation-building of the postwar years. Any leader who promises to grow the economy and strengthen the state is suddenly a 'progressive Marxist-Leninist anti-imperialist ally' deserving of critical support, or alternatively a 'dangerous fascist authoritarian dictator' if you're a tedious anti-campist.

>>2269539
The reason that Russia is not a Communist state is because there is no ML party in charge. Unless it has an ML party in charge, it cannot be Communist, but the neo-Soviet aesthetics suggest the neo-Soviet faction in United Russia is strengthening.

>>2268193
>Wuhan Consensus: An Initiative for a New Geoscience Education
?????

>>2268087
Couldn't be me. I would never support a capitalist state.

>>2268087
You are regurgitating lies because Modi was responsible for deregulation, privatization and liberalization for greater capitalist control in India. The Marxist position is to organize and vote for a working class party independent of the bourgeoisie so that the proletariat can assume dominance and the economy can be socialized, and this is not what Modi or the other bourgeois parties want. If you want, I can include quotes, but remember that criticism has to be from the left, so if any liberal wants independence of his country's national bank for the financial market because he does not tolerate conservatives intervening in the economy, then communists must be completely against this liberal who wants to separate politics from the finance of a country, because the solution is the nationalization of all banks with management by the working class in a popular council without technical economists or administrators of financial capital.

>>2270146
>vibes

Hello fellow leftist, Midi bad so Russia must be bad too! Heil Azov infact amirite????

>>2270146
>but the neo-Soviet aesthetics suggest the neo-Soviet faction in United Russia is strengthening
Biggest cope ITT.

>>2270238
nice projection "ex"-/pol/lack

>>2270212
Marxism is about putting the proletariat into power, but actual Marxist states have different priorities, and in much of the world, it's not viable for Marxists to seize power.

We have to make do with what we can.

>>2269078
Honestly, a "Revolutionary Social Democrat Party" could get popular. I might be a bit too cynical.

Islam threads spam stops now we are getting Modi threads.
>why does the left support this thing here!!!!! ughhhh!!!! leftypol explain!!!!! how do you dare!!!
Nobody ever supported Modi here.

>>2268087
uygha, what were you thinking?

>>2269549
which is why india was communist until 1991 and even if they liberalized at that moment modi never privatized the banks or the many Public Sector Undertakings (PSU) which makes him red at heart and india still socialist

>>2270407
You are wrong because Modi and his party are constantly trying to privatize agriculture for the IMF, financialize food production for landowners to enrich themselves and legalize price gouging. India has never implemented the dictatorship of the proletariat and you are confusing the financialized capitalism of neoliberalism with capitalism before the Washington Consensus with Keynesianism and state capitalism which is no longer accepted and tolerated by the neoclassical orthodoxy of current economists for ideological reasons and because the rate of profit of the capitalists has decreased and therefore the intensification of the exploitation of workers by attacking their rights is being encouraged. If you are in India, it is your duty to organize, defend and vote for communist parties in your country even if they have no chance of winning without exception.

>>2268087
The replies are so retarded (like 99% of posts here).

Lenin straight up said 'we took the Marxist doctrine from Western Europe readymade' - the usage of 'doctrine' here is retarded but it shows that the Bolsheviks never saw themselves as 'adapting communism to Russia'. As it is, Engels had long before expressed disapproval over the notion of "adapting" communism, particularly Slavophiles in Russian circles of the time.

>critically supporting Modi
oh shit uygha what are you doing
>growth and modernization
these things are means, not ends in themselves


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