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Not reporting is bourgeois


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https://tass.ru/politika/24009075

Translated to English:

<2025-05-21, 09:29

<St. Petersburg International Legal Forum
<Kobyakov pointed out the violation of the procedure for the dissolution of the USSR in 1991

According to the presidential adviser, if the legal procedure was violated, then legally the Soviet Union exists, as constitutional law experts say.

MOSCOW, May 21. /TASS/. The procedure for dissolving the USSR in 1991 was violated, so the Soviet Union "legally still exists," said Russian presidential adviser Anton Kobyakov at a press conference following the International Legal Forum in St. Petersburg.

"The USSR does exist legally somewhere, as constitutional law experts have been saying for a long time, including in Western countries, in the USA, in France. They say this because the procedure for the so-called dissolution of the USSR was violated. If the Congress of People's Deputies, also known as the Congress of Soviets, created the USSR in 1922, then it should have been dissolved by a decision of the Congress of these same deputies. And if the legal procedure was violated, then it turns out that the USSR legally exists, as constitutional law experts say," Kobyakov said.

According to him, the conclusion of the Belovezh Accords, according to which the USSR was dissolved, looks "completely strange from a legal point of view." "This act was later ratified by the Supreme Soviets of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, and the BSSR, and this was not within their competence at all. But if the USSR was not dissolved, then logically, from a legal point of view, it turns out that the Ukrainian crisis is an internal process," the presidential adviser noted, adding that "the collapse of the USSR must be given a proper legal assessment in order to understand current events."

The 13th St. Petersburg International Legal Forum is being held from 19 to 21 May. The forum is being held by the Russian Ministry of Justice and Roscongress. As in previous years, it is being held at the ExpoForum Convention and Exhibition Centre in St. Petersburg. TASS is the general information partner of the St. Petersburg International Legal Forum.

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>>2277884
Mikhail Rodionov rehabilitated

this is the slavoids version of sovereign citizens

Saw this from the thread about sovereign citizens in Bulgaria lol
>ALL COUNTRIES, CORPORATIONS, BANKS AND OTHER PROTECTED OFFICIAL, NATURAL JUDGE, CANNOT BE LEGAL!

>>2277923
wasn't there a whole movement about this in russia already? people who consider themselves soviet citizens

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>>2277921
This should be the new flag, somebody email Olga

>>2277884
as long as they crack down hard on the Chechens, im down

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Revolutionary potential in sovereign citizens? Can sovereign citizens destabilize a government? Should I give some of my KKKritical support to sovcitz?

>>2277957
Chechens were extremely valiant against the Azovites-Banderite-Neonazis early in the war against NATO

>>2277980
as long as your critsupp is weapons and cash and not just cheerleading, yes, destabilize the burger reich

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What good would "bringing back the USSR" do? It would literally just be a legal and aesthetic choice.

>>2277988
put fear in porky's mind

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>>2277999
It would just come back as the union though, it wouldn't be socialist.
With all that being said though I hope it does return because it'd be funny.

>This is why you should not pay taxes or obey laws you did not agree to

>>2277988
socialist law is a thing. and if Russia considers the ukraine crisis to be 'internal', what other countries would they consider 'internal'? Belarus? Moldova? Georgia?

>>2277884
If Luka shoots Putin live on TV then they should do it.

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>>2278096
They got Trump as a freemason uploaded on the channel lol

>>2278096
Based off my first impression, they genuinely feel and look like some small and obscure as fuck faction in The Fire Rises that immediately gets squashed once the Second American Civil War starts rolling.


>USSR but without any worker's control
We're so back zizters!

sovcits in the russian governrment, fucking awesome guys we gotta support that because they're bringing back le heckin based USSR!

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The USSR… as a.farce

>>2278193
>pro-ussr sovcits ignoring bourgeois law are… le bad

>>2278201
they are not gonna restore the heckin based USSR no matter how much you want them to

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>>2278200
FUCK OOOOFFF REDDITOR NO ONE WANTS YOU HEREEEE

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>Russians when they realize they have to hangout with the minority republics again

>>2278204
Because there are no such republics in RF currently.

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>Putin is just a protege of Yeltsin, nothing more
>ok Putin may have been playing the long game to freeze liberalization, but that's it, he's not going to fight the Yeltsinite oligarchs
>ok Putin is re-nationalizing some industries and punishing the oligarchs but he will never stand up to NATO even as it expands eastward
>ok so Putin is standing up to NATO's eastward expansion but he will never fight Ukraine
>ok so Putin is fighting in Ukraine but he will never send Wagner to help kick the French out of the Sahel
>ok so Putin sent Wagner to help kick the French out of Sahel but he will never declare USSR 2
<you are here
>ok so Putin declared USSR 2 but it's just aesthetics. He will never nuke NATO and spread world revolution

>>2277884
>stalinism with liberal capitalism characteristics
Holy cope

>>2278189
>USSR but without any worker's control
There never was any in the original not a complete farce version.

>>2277884
> But if the USSR was not dissolved, then logically, from a legal point of view, it turns out that the Ukrainian crisis is an internal process
Nothingburger, they want a pat in the back over the Ukraine stuff and couldn't care less what the USSR stood for.
If anything the local bourgeoisie has gotten more legitimacy nationally lately and we're even further away from a USSR 2 or even a RFSR

>>2278538
Cucktin would never declare USSR 2.0. He's just forced to make concessions because the younger generations in Russia hate capitalism and want to go back despite all the pro-monarcuck and pro-tsar propaganda.

>>2278571
>because the younger generations in Russia hate capitalism and want to go back despite
Holy cope

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This is what he said

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>>2278576
It's going to happen. The next leader after Cucktin will be either a military figurehead bonapartist who has to appease growing pro-Soviet sentiment and cannot just shit all over the Soviet legacy like Cucktin does, or an outright socialist.

>>2277936
say what you want about them but this song is absolute banger

>>2278538
all of the stuff you listed is either lie or doesn't mean jackshit

This legally speaking is probably true, but at the same time legality arguments are nonsense in general because a government being overthrown is always illegal according to its own laws.
>the provisional government being overthrown by lenin is illegal therefore it still exists

>>2278603
Gee I wonder who the porkies will choose to protect their property.

>>2278594
So this is just about legitimacy of annexing Ukraine and Belarus?

>>2278706
>annexing belarus
lukashenko supports the SMO against NATO-occupied ukraine thoughever

NOTHING BURGER! YOU MOTHERFUCKERS NEVER LEARN! ALWASY REMEBERS CHUDDHA'S TEACHING!

>>2278706
Yes. No. Kind of.

This is an extraordinary thing for the Kremlin to say, and we need to read between the lines to figure out what understand what they are really telling the West.

What Russia wants right now above anything is to solve the underlying issues that started the Ukraine crisis. They've been begging for a new security architecture in Europe, along the lines of a Yalta-like agreement.

But a new Yalta requires cooperation with the institutional Europeans that will neither accept a Ukrainian defeat nor engage with diplomacy with Russia at all, as this would de-legitimize their ruling parties.

So what does it mean when the Kremlin says the USSRs dissolution was illegal? its a warning. What they're really saying is that if Europe doesn't play ball with Russia on reorganizing spheres of power on the continent, Russia CAN and WILL do it themselves (legally!) through the framework of the USSR.

>>2278905
damn that's a good assessment I think

The most I see happening now is the increasing role of state in the russian economy (somewhat forced to allow them to overcome the sanctions and to perform adequately in the war) and increased ties with China moving them in a direction (perhaps) similar to how China manages their economy. This still leaves major questions like 1. whether they stick with this after the war 2. how much further will they go in this direction and for how long 3. how competently they go in this direction, and the big one 4. to what end?

They will probably keep the same flag and still be the Russian Federation and just work out what is looking like the better approach to economics as pioneered by China and other countries increasingly, but to say that the bourgeoisie don't run the Russian Federation now and won't in the future, which is a big factor in whether they reverse this course eventually, is an open question at best(!) and the idea that they are trying to move to a post-capitalist mode of production or that they should isn't something they even pay lip service to presently.

>>2278947
theoretically a return of the USSR wouldn't just involve Russia even if they were the ones to initiate it

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>>2278905
>if Europe doesn't play ball with Russia on reorganizing spheres of power on the continent, Russia CAN and WILL do it themselves (legally!) through the framework of the USSR.
Europe keep shooting themselves in the foot it's comical at this point
I can't see an end to the ukraine war without Russia taking at least the Novorossiya territories and if NATO screeches about it they'll use that card and may even release dirty secrets from the dissolution agreements. Anything more that that is wishful thinking

>>2278603
>It's going to happen.
Nothing ever happens
>The next leader after Cucktin will be either a military figurehead bonapartist who has to appease growing pro-Soviet sentiment
Or he'll just do the way easier thing like Cucktin and increase state repression while giving porkie more and more power.

>>2279051
This.
They always take the path of least resistance even if it spells their doom.
USSR 2.0 is coming but not by a legal loophole.
Three cheers for the New October Revolution

>>2279050
I can't see an end to the Ukraine crisis without Russia getting everything they want, which includes installing a pro Russian government in Ukraine, coincidentally a prerequisite for a return of the Soviet Union with ukrainian membership

>>2279053
So will it be in Oct or Nov?

>>2279069
i'm backing that on the experience of Crimea and the Donbass people's republics plus the referendums that already happened in those areas and the fact that it roughly corresponds to the extent of current Russian military deployment in the country. You're just fearmongering

>>2279081
what? fearmongering? do you fear Russia? why?

>more tarnishing of the soviet legacy by subhuman fascists
le epic!!!

>>2279989
>muh soviet legacy

the fall of the ussr was so retarded in hindsight
they actually believed that they'd be let into the cool westoid imperialist club, or that the west was so developed thanks economic efficiency, and not by enslaving the whole world
so they cut off their own legs, and the west was like "you can't sit with us loser, here, have some shock therapy"
and then putin had to reorient the country towards independence from the brink of being colonized
and they ended up in the exact same geopolitical position, except now they have to fight after having cut off all their limbs

idiotic

>>2278571
>le younger generation wants to go back to capitalism
What?

>>2279997
The russian party degenerated or something

>>2279997
Yeltsin thought that the GDP would soon take off like China’s.

>>2280024
Because?

>>2280000
go back (to the USSR)

>>2280027
le free market or some shit idk
yeltsin was drunk most of the time it probably makes more sense if you're always drunk

>>2280052
Yeah? USSR was capitalist


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