Of all socialist countries that exist(ed), which on came genuinely close to be a full fledged communist society? Like came really close to achieve a real communist society?
>>2277955he forgot ISIS as the only instance of full communism
stateless, classless and moneyless
Communist China is the highest developed form of Communism.
>>2277943The world is split between capitalist and socialist camps.
>>2278244Wrong. The proletariat controls the means of production in Communist China.
There has never been a socialist country.
There have been state capitalist countries with a welfare state that call themselves socialist and proclaim the desire to achieve communism.
Socialism cannot be established without abolishing the production of commodities, abolishing markets, and abolishing wage labour.
Not a single "socialist" state has ever once attempted replacing the capitalist mode of commodity production, wages, and markets with a new socialised system.
So as much as MLs may protest, there has never been socialism as Marx described it. The USSR was a capitalist state. Yes, Stalin was a capitalist.
According to Professor Cheng Enfu, President of the Academy of Marxism at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, ending the commodity form of exchange is a policy of China's plans for the "advanced" stage of socialism.
For context, China plans to reach the "primary" stage of socialism by 2035 and and the "intermediate" stage of socialism by 2049.
They have decided no date for when they will reach the "advanced" stage.
The problem is that this entirely revisionary, it flies in the face of Marxist theory, and the plans can be endlessly delayed while the current state capitalism entrenches itself ever more deeply.
How so? The socialistic system where by abolishing commodities and markets should be the starting foundational point of building towards communism is inverted, and is in fact made the final stage before achieving communism.
That said… if by say 2075 or some such date China does adopt the principles of their "advanced" stage of socialism, and it is a massive "if"… then according to actual Marxist theory, they will have finally entered what is in fact the starting point of socialism, albeit through an extremely bizarre and slow means.
>>2277941None of them. Communism is not just something you establish one day, it's not this single point. No socialist country so far has gotten close to communist society because how could they! We're still dealing with capitalism. You can't get more communist or less communist in this way. No country is more or less communist, you can be closer or further from a communist / Marxist ideology, but you can't have a country BE communist. You need capitalism gone from the entire world for Communism to be possible. Read the Marx qoute from the German Ideology:
Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.
I can't believe nobody has said this yet.
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