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>>2279383Cuck Party USA too.
Fuck these cowards
>>2279388Now PSL, I understand since they're legal Marxists and the shooter was briefly affiliated with them at one point, plus they covered a speech of his once. But who genuinely gives a fuck what CPUSA have to think about it and the use of violence?
Like they're probably on the bottom of fed lists for leftist organizations to harass and raid, and that's probably in part because of how many feds are already in the party right now anyways.
>>2279611This is the typical Zionist cope. Lucky you they used US enemies. It's not uncommon for them to hide behind USA's and other western allied past atrocities of which yeah, they are often larger in scale, so they claim you gotta dissolve the USA first or the only reason you complain about their smaller pet genocide is antisemitism.
Or claiming that, since the USA or Canada are founded on settler colonialism, they too are entitled to do it, in your face, to completion or you are an antisemite with double standards. Or substitute colonialism.
Anything goes,because ultimately they are just wasting your time with words when the material and institutional support they receive, is based on entirely different reasons which are themselves banished from polite liberal discourse.
>>2279621Personally, I am not a revolutionary. I think this admission is one of the least shameful admissions in my life. I'm at peace with this and being generally a coward. I know which side of things to stand when they come my way, and am invested in improving my working arrangements. But I am already settled in, (un)gainfully employed, unionized and… I just don't think most of everyone around me deserves anything but the retarded farcical fascism that they so seem so keen on. The punishment in built into the crime, even if liberals don't realize it yet.
I'll keep my life, it'll be the next couple of generations who eat the big shit we are cooking for them.
>>2279628/tinfoil
Israel is gonna request extradition.
And it will be the ultimate powermove, when he hets judged under one of those new "death for 'trrists" laws and killed. But not before getting the Palestinian treatment in some shithole while capturing the whole attention of the oh-so-powerful antizionist left for months. He'll be the best distraction ever, even the Democrats can jump on the side of "moderate" Zionists denouncing Netanyahu.
>>2279615>it glows to acknowledge the truth about the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the pharaoh of proxy wars, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkkaβ’ and it's yapping little dog jizzrael >>2279335Palestinian movement being emotional idiots once again smh
Palestine will never be liberated with idiots like you folks
>>2280071>Does israel need justification to get popular support for war?No
>If so,It isn't
>then hamas gave it to themDoesn't matter. The Al-Aqsa flood operation was a resounding military victory that utterly embarrassed Israel and provoked them into fighting a decolonial war of attrition that will ultimately destroy the zionist entity.
>>2280180/ISG/.
I hope you get banned, redditor.
>>2280026>The Genocide is had and should be opposed, imperialism is bad and should be opposed.>Supporting national liberation struggles is a form of supporting nationalism, and only leads to the creation of new bourgeois states and should also be opposed>The IDF are fascist mass murderers, but likewise Hamas, etc, are Islamist and fascist groups themselves in their ideology and supporting them in their battle to create more bourgeois islamist nation states doesn't help the Palestinian proletariat and is inherently anti-internationalist and anti-leftistThey might help them not get killed or displaced.
>Therefore there can be no critical support or united front with such organisations >Dead proletarians on both sides is bad, and both sides should engage in revolutionary defeatism to exist in one single state for both Palestinian and Jewish proletarians, while being firmly opposed to those who want to create a Palestinian or Israeli stateOK, so say you are Palestinian helping Hamas be defeated, how does this A to B to a one state? How does that help in anyway?
>>2280668the jewish identity is kind of unique in being both ethnic and/or religious. If you're born to jewish parents you're a jew period, even if you're atheist or renounce judaism and join another religion. But you're also a jew if you're not born jewish but adopt judaism as your religion.
the christian or muslim identity is not like that. there may be some other small enthic/religious sects that have a similar kind of identity but not the big ones.
>>2280026I'm sure most leftcoms are not actually this retarded
this is just workerist puritanism anyways
>>2280697this but it's just palestine and the israeli identity is wiped off
>>2280629call him out on believing essentially the same than hitler
>>2280026Sounds remarkably similar to the anti-campiest opinions on the cold war. Which, by means of denunciation and purity politics mean to imply no progressive outcomes can be found in the transformation of the status quo. They take this retarded position where they demand denounciations despite being completely uninvolved.
IMO it's just a thinly disguised method of running cover for the status quo. A form of "anti-revolutionary defeatism" that operates entirely out of scolding.
>>2280026Let's go through this "leftcom" statement point by point
>The Genocide is had and should be opposed, imperialism is bad and should be opposed.no arguments here
>Supporting national liberation struggles is a form of supporting nationalism, and only leads to the creation of new bourgeois states and should also be opposedBullshit. Most communist/socialist entities past and present were founded on national liberation. What usually happens afterwards post nat-lib, should the nationalists remain- is a civil war with more socialist aligned factions. Prime examples being Yugoslavia, China, Greece, Syria and Angola. National liberation movements more often than not have an element of anti-capitalism in so far that they're resisting colonisation and imperialism.
>The IDF are fascist mass murderersNo shit
>but likewise Hamas, etc, are Islamist and fascist groups themselves in their ideology and supporting them in their battle to create more bourgeois islamist nation states doesn't help the Palestinian proletariat and is inherently anti-internationalist and anti-leftistThis is complete bogus. Hamas may certainly be opting to create a bourgoise state, but to say its islamist and fully anti-leftist is a lie by omission.
According to the Hamas charter, they want a
democratic state in which Muslims, Jews and Chirstians can co-exist.
But don't take my word for it, here's some extracts from their 2017 charter.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
<6. The Palestinian people are one people, made up of all Palestinians, inside and outside of Palestine, irrespective of their religion, culture or political affiliation.
<8.By virtue of its justly balanced middle way and moderate spirit, Islam β for Hamas - provides a comprehensive way of life and an order that is fit for purpose at all times and in all places. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety. Hamas also believes that Palestine has always been and will always be a model of coexistence, tolerance and civilizational innovation.
<9. Hamas believes that the message of Islam upholds the values of truth, justice, freedom and dignity and prohibits all forms of injustice and incriminates oppressors irrespective of their religion, race, gender or nationality. Islam is against all forms of religious, ethnic or sectarian extremism and bigotry. It is the religion that inculcates in its followers the value of standing up to aggression and of supporting the oppressed; it motivates them to give generously and make sacrifices in defence of their dignity, their land, their peoples and their holy places
<16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
<17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
<24. The liberation of Palestine is the duty of the Palestinian people in particular and the duty of the Arab and Islamic Ummah in general. It is also a humanitarian obligation as necessitated by the dictates of truth and justice. The agencies working for Palestine, whether national, Arab, Islamic or humanitarian, complement each other and are harmonious and not in conflict with each other.
<28. Hamas believes in, and adheres to, managing its Palestinian relations on the basis of pluralism, democracy, national partnership, acceptance of the other and the adoption of dialogue. The aim is to bolster the unity of ranks and joint action for the purpose of accomplishing national goals and fulfilling the aspirations of the Palestinian people.
<29. The PLO is a national framework for the Palestinian people inside and outside of Palestine. It should therefore be preserved, developed and rebuilt on democratic foundations so as to secure the participation of all the constituents and forces of the Palestinian people, in a manner that safeguards Palestinian rights.
<30. Hamas stresses the necessity of building Palestinian national institutions on sound democratic principles, foremost among them are free and fair elections. Such process should be on the basis of national partnership and in accordance with a clear programme and a clear strategy that adhere to the rights, including the right of resistance, and which fulfil the aspirations of the Palestinian people.
<33. Palestinian society is enriched by its prominent personalities, figures, dignitaries, civil society institutions, and youth, students, trade unionist and womenβs groups who together work for the achievement of national goals and societal building, pursue resistance, and achieve liberation.
<34. The role of Palestinian women is fundamental in the process of building the present and the future, just as it has always been in the process of making Palestinian history. It is a pivotal role in the project of resistance, liberation and building the political system.How is any of this "islamist" in the ISIS sense or "fascist"? Do these leftkkkoms understand the meaning of the words they spout? Furthermore, might be good to know that Hamas regularly kills ISIS members and expounged any Wahhabist sympathisers from their ranks before the 2017 charter. ISIS has also declared war on Hamas. So much for Hamas being "Islamo-Fascist"
Hell, even the New York Times is able to make the distinction better than these arm-chair sitters.
https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-hamas-security-kill-aid-looters-linked-israel-isishttps://time.com/6329776/hamas-isis-gaza/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/world/middleeast/isis-hamas-sinai.htmlFurthermore, are these so-called Leftcoms even aware of the various Marxist groups that are fighting the Israelis? It may surpirse them to know that two major figures of the DFLP, Lafif Lakhdar and Hakima Barrada made initiatives to introduce both Council Communist and Situationist theory in the education of their Cadres.
https://www.palestine-studies.org/ar/node/34661https://book-shadow.com/files/fhrst13/462.pdf
>Therefore there can be no critical support or united front with such organisations. Says who? The DFLP, and the PFLP, the main marxist orgs of the Palestenian resistance have not only formed a united front with Hamas, but knowingly had a hand in orchestrating the October 7th attacks, as well as establishing an argreement with Hamas to form a united front via the Beijing Declaration and an agreed post-war government.
https://www.mfa.gov.cn/eng/wjbzhd/202407/t20240723_11458790.html As per the declaration
<The first step is to achieve comprehensive, lasting and sustainable ceasefire in the Gaza Strip as soon as possible, and ensure access to humanitarian aid and rescue on the ground. The international community should build more synergy for ending the hostilities and establishing a ceasefire.<The second step is to make joint efforts toward post-conflict governance of Gaza under the principle of βPalestinians governing Palestine.ββGaza is an inseparable, integral part of Palestine. Restarting post-conflict reconstruction as soon as possible is an urgent priority. The international community needs to support Palestinian factions in establishing an interim national consensus government and realizing effective management of Gaza and the West Bank.<The third step is to help Palestine become a full member state of the U.N. and get down to implementing the two-State solution. It is important to support the convening ofβa broad-based, more authoritative, and more effective international peace conference to work out a timetable and road map for the two-State solution.<Ceasefire and humanitarian rescue are pressing priorities. βPalestinians governing Palestineββis the basic principle for the post-conflict governance of Gaza. The two-State solution isβthe fundamental way forward. The international community should support the parties in taking the three steps in real earnest.
>Dead proletarians on both sides is bad, and both sides should engage in revolutionary defeatism to exist in one single state for both Palestinian and Jewish proletarians, while being firmly opposed to those who want to create a Palestinian or Israeli state. This isn't the Ukraine-Russian War. In spite of Russia's irridentist plans to annex Ukraine- The current government Ukraine is a government is founded on the basis of a CIA backed coup, all the while acting as a proxy for NATO policy. Point to me how Palestine is in anyway shape or form a proxy of imperialism or an imperialist entity itself.
While a one state solution is indeed the solution to bring about peace, let us not act as if the Israeli proles who support Palestine are in anyway shape or form the "majority". It is true that there are Israelis who indeed want to see their government done away with, but owing to israels totalitarian government, Israeli comrades are imprisoned, shunned and "dissapeared". And while public demonstrations to end the war and demand the resignation of Nethanyahu are a step forward, they are just that. A step. To demand "revolutionary defeatism" from both sides- particularly one where major communist resistance can be found amongst the PFLP and DFLP, is not only a position founded on false and misinformed grounds, but is also pure folly.
Be free to screen cap and send this to any leftcom who spouts such nonsense.
>>2280692<…even if you're atheist or renounce judaism and join another religionThis is the same if you're baptized Catholic, but at least I don't go to loser Prot heaven…
t. The church owns my soul in perpetuity
This is such a fucking lie about gaza. Ethan Klein brought this guy on his show and they were praising him on his Reddit. I looked him up as I was suspicious of why they would like someone so much randomly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Fouad_AlkhatibHe works for the Atlantic council
>>2280859Ah but who wouldn't be inspired by the message that change comes mediated by individualist acts of immense sacrifice… of others? That's the message here, the bar for change is feeling up to self immolate or to throw away your life with nothing but a demented faith in spontaneous and numerous replicas.
Clearly, not for most of everybody. What's being conveyed here is the relative safety of remaining firmly within liberal politics and how insane "radicals" actually are.
>>2280881BE made a video on this and other tokens(vidrel) and this guy actually got mad at BE and responded(link):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbB_NKSOaE >>2280026First, let's look at Lenin's definition of capitalist imperialism:
<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this βfinance capital,β of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.
<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. IMPERIALISM AS A SPECIAL STAGE OF CAPITALISMhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htmI will give another quote as an example of self-determination of nations in Lenin's time, where we can see that Palestinians do not have economic sovereignty, energy, water, or the entry and exit of goods without Israel's approval, which has always led to immense unemployment among the population in Gaza, and therefore a violent reaction is logical due to Israel's subjugation, which at the same time rejects the simplest bourgeois rights of this population:
<In this respect, countries must be divided into three main types:
<First, the advanced capitalist countries of Western Europe and the United States of America. In these countries the bourgeois, progressive, national movements came to an end long ago. Every one of these βgreatβ nations oppresses other nations in the colonies and within its own country. The tasks of the proletariat of these ruling nations are the same as those of the proletariat in England in the nineteenth century in relation to Ireland.[3]
<Secondly, Eastern Europe: Austria, the Balkans and particularly Russia. Here it was the twentieth century that particularly developed the bourgeois-democratic national movements and intensified the national struggle. The tasks of the proletariat in these countriesβin regard to the consummation of their bourgeois-democratic reformation, as well as in regard to assisting the socialist revolution in other countriesβcannot be achieved unless it champions the right of nations to self-determination. In this connection the most difficult but most important task is to merge the class struggle of the workers in the oppressing nations with the class struggle of the workers in the oppressed nations.
<Thirdly, the semi-colonial countries, like China, Persia, Turkey, and all the colonies, which have a combined population amounting to a billion. In these countries the bourgeois-democratic movements have either hardly begun, or are far from having been completed. Socialists must not only demand the unconditional and immediate liberation of the colonies without compensationβand this demand in its political expression signifies nothing more nor less than the recognition of the right to self-determinationβbut must render determined support to the more revolutionary elements in the bourgeois-democratic movements for national liberation in these countries and assist their rebellionβand if need be, their revolutionary warβagainst the imperialist powers that oppress them.
<V. I. Lenin, 1916, The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination, Three Types of Countries in Relation to Self-Determination of Nationshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htmNow the text that talks about wars of national liberation for opportunists who want to finance the arms industry and the hegemony of financial capital, its puppets and agents that enrich several capitalists with US hegemony instead of cutting off this money abroad:
<In short: a war between imperialist Great Powers (i.e., powers that oppress a whole number of nations and enmesh them in dependence on finance capital, etc.), or in alliance with the Great Powers, is an imperialist war. Such is the war of 1914β16. And in this war βdefence of the fatherlandβ is a deception, an attempt to justify the war.
<A war against imperialist, i.e., oppressing, powers by oppressed (for example, colonial) nations is a genuine national war. It is possible today too. βDefence of the fatherlandβ in a war waged by an oppressed nation against a foreign oppressor is not a deception. Socialists are not opposed to βdefence of the fatherlandβ in such a war.
<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 1916, The Marxist Attitude Towards War and βDefence of the Fatherlandβhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/1.htm#v23pp64h-029Now the text for those who say that every war is inter-imperialist:
<Advanced European (and American) capitalism has entered a new era of imperialism. Does it follow from that that only imperialist wars are now possible? Any such contention would be absurd. It would reveal inability to distinguish a given concrete phenomenon from the sum total of variegated phenomena possible in a given era.
<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 1916, βOur Understanding of the New Eraβhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/2.htm#v23pp64h-036 >>2280026you could just ignore them. pflp isn't taking advice from internet liberals.
>>2280821 >This isn't the Ukraine-Russian Warbut who defends hamas? and who defends the defenders of hamas? and who defends the defenders of the defenders of hamas? if russia is imperialist then hamas is an imperialist proxy of another camp.
>>2280802and what of second great war?
>>2280886>Now the text for those who say that every war is inter-imperialist:drop the pink junius on them. he even predicted american hegemony and national war in europe
>>2280959>but who defends hamas? PFLP/ DFLP
>and who defends the defenders of hamas?Most of their sympathisers- i.e Marxists and other communists/ socialists.
>and who defends the defenders of the defenders of hamas?At this moment, most people with a conscious- including students, teachers, activists and even UN members/ UN member states- Ireland being one.
>if russia is imperialist then hamas is an imperialist proxy of another camp.It isn't though. Don't play dumb, lad.
>>2281006as you stated
>and who defends the defenders of the defenders of hamas?I gave an answer.
The people giving military support are the PFLP/DFLP and other factions such the Houthis, and Hezbollah are doing that.
In terms of providing support outside of embargoes, and attacking them economically- most leftists are sabotaging arms trade to Israel.
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2025/01/28/palestine-action-teledyne-van-shipley/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/activists-shut-down-uk-arms-factories-ahead-month-protests >>2281016no because russia and iran are not imperialist. russia is supporting iran materially with arms and technology. they are not proxies of iran but allies. if russia falls iran falls if iran falls the rest of opposition to israel goes with it. not to mention china lurking in the background means they cant all in.
i find it interesting you understand pflp support for hamas but not for russia when russia is a key part of their continued existence.
https://tass.com/world/1290145 >>2281382>pent up political energy?Because it's not real energy. Or at least no more real than any other culture war issue. You can take an easy test, every single time the western media forgets about Palestine so does 99% of the people who previously held it as a part of their politics. In the west, at least.
The west's own adversaries already have bigger fish to fry and Palestine is merely an opportunity. For those in the gulf client states, well, the same reason apply for why they keep being governed by western puppets when Palestine is in the news and when it isn't.
>>2280857She's like the fifth person I've heard say:
>Antisemitism has existed as long as the Jewish people have existed.How do Jews not have an ounce of self-awareness. Have they ever heard the expression:
>If it's everyone else, it's actually you?Like that's an impossible concept for them to understand. There's no way literally everyone on Earth hates you, has always hated you, if you're not at fault.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2281636>They're saying that the natural state of the gentile is to hate Jews. So who are they sending this message to if all gentiles naturally hate them? Jews.
>What is the goal?To get Jews to support Israel. Like, there's a whole thing about how American Jews are detached from their Judaism and Jewish identity but everything that is happening is an opportunity to get them more "engaged." Lizzy Savetsky isn't just some random girl, it's literally her job to say that stuff on behalf of pro-Israel groups (she's also a former beauty queen from Fort Worth).
Not going to lie, in my literal near 20 years of talking about politics with people, no group is so pathologically bad faith, and full of shit cry bullies, than Zionists and frankly, not to mince words Jewish people.
Zionists literally just spout insane hasbara then sea lion you to death, before they cry antisemitism and disengage, but the more annoying one is frankly, Jewish people in general, who like, spout massive "We are the biggest victims, muh antisemitism, why isn't everyone focusing on our feelings instead of these dirty Subhuman Palestinians" and you call out how selfish that attitude is, and instead of even replying, they always, ALWAYS go fucking running to mods (or irl, authorities) like little fucking snitch bitches to rat on your ass to get you censored.
It's so fucking annoying, literally even posting stats about the majority of the Jewish communities fucking shitty ass views on Palestine, they hold in polling, is enough to get you banned from pretty much 95% of Internet's online politics forums/subs as the Jewish members will go fucking running and shitting and pissing themselves to the mods, you can't even fucking quote the crazy shit that the Jewish community orgs themselves are saying, without getting bans.
What's even more obnoxious to me, is that through tonnes of these communities, absolutely 110% perfectly fine to shit on Christians and Muslims to ridiculous levels.
Literally never before in all of political/social discussion, have I seen a group so able to dish accusations and insults, but literally cannot take any fucking response. Even pathetic incels have more of a fucking spine and that is saying something.
The Ethno-Narcissism is honestly off the fucking charts. It genuinely seems to be the complete mainstream opinion, in almost all communities, that Jewish feels, matter more than reality itself.
>>2281598Truth to this, but it's a discussion nobody is willing to talk about because of the implications and how easily it flows into Nazi propaganda.
But just the reality, Judaism is an explicity pro-Genocidal religion, built out of Genocide, and spent pretty much it's entire ancient history, genociding and dehumanizing it's neighbours, though in fairness, not that out of the realm for norms at the time, but I would put early Judaism up with Assyrians in pure assholishness.
Pretty much the entirety of Jewish folklore in Europe, is around fucking over "Goyim", how Goyim are subhumans, robbing and scheming against Goyim. The term Goyim basically is the N word and notice how Jewish people to this day are fine with saying it to peoples faces while smiling, knowing that "Stupid goyim" don't really get what they are saying.
Yiddish as a language, is explicitly racist and supremacist, and literally changes it's words, based on if a Jewish person is doing something, or a Goyim is, pretty much everything a Goyim does, uses verbage that implies an animal like a pig, or dog. In fact the term "Shiksa" which Jewish people literally love to use, literally means, "Degenerate/Detestable slut".
Jews played a direct role in the enforcement of serfdom as a "privileged minority" famously, as they were used to crush serfs with more fucked up laws and taxes, to squeeze serfs into even more back breaking poverty. This is why especially in Eastern Europe (Paradisus Judaeorum), were Jews made up huge swaths of the ruling classes, they were absolutely despised by the average person and when Jews became very powerful, they started overthrowing Nobility through debt trapping, which is where they played with fire and generally progroms were finally allowed to break out.
When Merchantalism/early Capitalism was forming, who made up a whopping 80% of the Bourgiousie? Jewish people. Showing they were materially in a very privileged position by the tail end of the middle ages.
These are the parts that conveniently get left out of the boo hoo victim narrative, but you can find all of these are facts, even from history books on the Jewish people, written by Jewish historians and Israeli's themselves. They just always view these shitty attitudes, behavior and actions as completely justified.
You can see the same behavior now in regards to Palestine, Palestinians. But people are too scared of being seen as "Antisemitic" like it's any worse than being any other form of anti-theist. Why as a Communist, should I give a single fuck about the backwards iron age values of some religious cult? Do people demand I care about Falun Gong as well?
If you want some history books to read that cover this shit if people think I'm just making it up:
>Alan Edelstein - An Unacknowledged Harmoney>Le Goff - Money and the Middle Ages>Florike Egmond- Underworlds>Breuer Mordechai - German-Jewish History>Max Dimont - Jews, God and History.>Bernard Weinryb - Jews of Poland>Salo Baron - A Social and Religious History of the Jews>Leon Poliakov - The History of Antisemitism.>Simon Dubnov - History of the JewsAll Jewish authors, all basically "Yes we fucked over dirty Goyim and they deserved it".
>>2281777You're just being dumb. I think people should be allowed to talk about / debate anything. Even if I think you have an antisemitic tendency, I think it just makes you stupid, not a bad person or anything. That's not tone policing, I'm just calling you a moron. It's what happens when you generalize Jews as "bad" (and you're good and would never do anything bad) without the barest understanding how pro-Israel organizations discipline their tribe.
>>2281771You can be right about all of that but the thing that tends to get ignored is that they're also intelligent and believe in power, and want to exercise it whenever they think it's in their interest to do so. If religion does play a role though, I think it's that they're not Christians. Jesus taught stuff about turning the other cheek and how "an eye for eye" is bad and so on. The Old Testament is a bit different and actually teaches the Jews to show no pity! (Under certain circumstances.) "You must purge from Israel the guilt of shedding innocent blood, so that it may go well with you." Jews believe in fighting and outsmarting those who wish to destroy them. Think of dealing with people who believe in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche and you wouldn't be that far removed from a Zionist.
>>2281803Well the thing about the Nazis is that they're huge moralfags themselves. That's the main thrust of my attack here, like the Jews helped overthrow the feudal nobility and that's why the peasants were mad at them? The bourgeois revolution which you seem to despise so much was historically progressive as I see it, but in any case, condemning that on purely moral grounds is kind of missing the point: what matters is understanding how and why capitalism emerged. Otherwise we're never going to overcome it. You get reactive, emotionally-driven bitterness instead, sitting there seething in resentment at the Jews which is frankly pretty pathetic, and I don't think it helps your cause either.
>>2281817>Well the thing about the Nazis is that they're huge moralfags themselves. That's the main thrust of my attack here, like the Jews helped overthrow the feudal nobility and that's why the peasants were mad at them? The bourgeois revolution which you seem to despise so much was historically progressive as I see it, but in any case, condemning that on purely moral grounds is kind of missing the point: what matters is understanding how and why capitalism emerged. Otherwise we're never going to overcome it. You get reactive, emotionally-driven bitterness instead, sitting there seething in resentment at the Jews which is frankly pretty pathetic, and I don't think it helps your cause either.I view it as a progressive cause, but the Bourgiousie were abusive of regular people, in frankly, often, far worse ways than fuedal lords were, with the onset of Merchantalism/Early Capitalism and enclosure, the quality life of the average serf/working class plummeted, famines became more common, average heights and life expectancy dropped etc At the top, you largely had an ethnic minority group which actively was pretty antagonsitic to the average European. If you read reports about Jewish people at the time, it's that they were extremely rude, extremely abusive and haughty, to the point even Royal Bailiffs were terrified of getting them to go to court for crimes.
These are just facts, the parts that go against this absolutely ridiculous narrative Jewish people have that they are humanities greatest victims in all regards, who are hated for being just too perfect and good. It's a ridiculously narcissistic attitude, and has in reality, resulted in mass ethno-narcissism and people bowing over for Jewish people to a ridiculous, pathetic bootlicking level, which of course, has led to this Genocide, and people pussy footing around the fact that a majority of Jews, have no problem wiping every Palestinian man, woman and child, from the planet.
People need to get over this fucking sheer pathetic devotion to a genocidal iron age cult. It's fucking ridiculous.
>You can be right about all of that but the thing that tends to get ignored is that they're also intelligent and believe in power, and want to exercise it whenever they think it's in their interest to do so. Yes obviously, Jewish people are shock horror, humans, and humans have ingroup biases, and utilize power, but try tell that to anyone else online, especially a fucking Jewish person, and you insantly get hit with "antisemitic trope" and them going to cry to the fucking mods. Implying that a Jewish person or figure, is using their position, to push an agenda, that benefits Jewish people or Israel at the cost of others, is the quickest way to be banned on for example, any Reddit sub, or plenty of even "left wing" forums.
>The Old Testament is a bit different and actually teaches the Jews to show no pity! (Under certain circumstances.) "You must purge from Israel the guilt of shedding innocent blood, so that it may go well with you."Yes again, obviously, but I literally got banned from r/Atheism for pointing out plenty of fucked up theological beliefs that are commonly held among the Jewish community (and are openly admitted in Israeli/community Jewish press). Which again, brings me to my initial point there, that it's WILD that even in communities, where shitting on Islam, Muslims, Christianity and Christians is the absolute norms, Jewish people and Jewish beliefs are literally sacrosanct. It's such a ridiculous double standard but it is absolutely not only the norm online, but in real life as well. Look at how the British press seethe about Muslims every day, but god forbid you call a Jewish person who says "Palestinian babies are also Hamas" a "genocidal monster", because if you do enjoy being smeared to death as some Nazi level hitlerian holocaust supporter.
>>2279700This is just a song and dance that Israel does with its allies. The Israeli government is well aware that it breaks international law, some ministers even flex blatant violations as being a good thing.
But they're also aware that support at home is important for their allies and they need to provide a smokescreen to shield themselves from scrutiny too. Western media outlets only need a 'both sides' narrative to exist, and they'll naturally use it to distract from the more important narrative, which would be about what Israel is currently doing. Watch the BBC right now and you'll see exactly this.
So every time western allies send them a letter saying "stop pls this is horrible", they reply in kind with inflammatory language. This helps to create the impression that pressure is actually being created here.
In reality, the real support that the West gives Israel: diplomatic cover, military intelligence, arms supplies- continues unabated, and do nothing to actually stop, or even speak against the genocide. This is how the relationship has to work when Israel is an apartheid colonial state. But the phrase the government is deploying "risk of breaking international law" shows the real story here. There is a concerted effort to shield Israel from legal judgement and the natural material action that would have to follow.
Anyone actually convinced by these weasel words is being an absolute idiot. The government knows exactly what it's doing and any objective analysis of how badly mismatched its language is with its actions shows that. European Governments do not use the phrase "risk" when it comes to Russia there could not possibly be a more blatant double standard, but the media entertains this paradigm uncritically.
>>2279338This was the most hilarious thing to me, the entire media was like "Um he was actually at a meeting to help Gazans and get aid to Gazans because he loves Gazans and Palestinians so much, they killed a pro-Palestinian hero", then it turns out he's not even Jewish, but a fucking crazy as fuck pro-genocidal christian zionist. Shock horror, people who work at Israeli embassies tend to be fanatical fucking psychopaths. Just look at the US or UK Israeli ambassador and the deranged statements that comes out of those embassies.
This reminds me a lot of the "rave" that was caught in the crossfire between Hamas attacking Reim Military Base and the IDF. To this day, they still pretend it was a pro-Gaza peace festival, when it was literally just Universo Parelleo, a drug fuelled psytrance doof from Brazil. In fact, I can tell you right now, as someone who worked at a psytrance label, Israeli Psytrance fans are typically ultra-nationalist pro-settler types. They even have full on blacklist and harassment campaigns against psytrance producers and DJs who criticize Israel, go to any vocal pro-Palestine Psytrance Dj's set at say Ozora or Boom, and watch literally half the crowd boo while flying Israeli flags.
Read about the accounts at what Psytrance Zionists got up too at Ozora this year
https://www.reddit.com/r/psytrance/comments/1fe56c2/ozora_wtf/This is something I absolutely love about Zionists and the pro-israel Jewish community, cannot help but take these situations, and then just fucking BLATANTLY LIE pathologically, to craft some hilariously flagrantly bullshit narrative to play off even more as a massive victim and "oh look how ironic hmm hmm" *tips fedora*. I can tell you right now, this guy could have shot Ben Gvir and they would claim he was actually Pro-Palestine and was running a fundraiser to give a 500 billion dollars to each Palestinian.
It's so fucking obnoxious. I honestly do not get how people can come away with a good view of the Jewish community after all of this shit. I sometimes wonder how the minority of anti-Zionist Jews do not go fucking crazy from the insane shit they must hear daily from their family and friends and community leaders.
>>2281817>You're just being dumb. I think people should be allowed to talk about / debate anything. Even if I think you have an antisemitic tendency, I think it just makes you stupid, not a bad person or anything. That's not tone policing, I'm just calling you a moron. It's what happens when you generalize Jews as "bad" (and you're good and would never do anything bad) without the barest understanding how pro-Israel organizations discipline their tribe.I don't give a fuck about you. I'm talking about the mods who ban whatever.
There is no such thing as antisemitism. Anyone who uses that word is a fucking Zionist. We don't need to have the same debate about what a Semite is.
>hurrr durr durr actually Arabs are semites too!Yeah, it's all a game so they can obfuscate what the actual thing is:
>Anti-JudaismYou're playing into their fucking game when you use their psy-op terminology.
Be a fucking philo-Jew, I don't give a fuck, people can do and believe whatever retarded shit as long as it doesn't effect me. I don't care for when the Christians fuck with my life either because of their dumb cult. Christianity is just "reform Judaism" in the first place. There fucking religion is terrible and the cause of everything "they've been through" throughout their thousands of years of history.
Ironic too that anything I said is considered controversial on a supposedly Marxist board.
>Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew β not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.
>Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.
>What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
>Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time. >>2281923It's not the cause of everything, but absolutely a lot. Like I said Ancient Jewish people were Assyrian level asshole, genocide after genocide. I mean, Jews, in their own holy book, are not even "native" to the Levant (Abraham is Sumerian), they only want it because god told them to go there and do Genocide and take it.
People for some reason, even leftists and "marxists" get all fucking weird when it comes to criticizing religion directly, from a theoretical level, despite religion, is literally just the political/structural ideology of ancient peoples.
Judaism was quite literally born out of a political split between Canaanite tribes, Jewish law comes from seething from Israel towards Judea (Judeans for example, had a core diet built around pork). Islam is basically just the deranged ramblings and consolidation of politicial power of a warlord in the 7th century. Christianity literally was a apocalyptic Jewish reform movement built around the POLITICAL restoration of the Davidic line to bring about the end times.
Yet, people piss and shit themselves when you actually criticize, at least Islam, and Judaism, in a direct way.
Judaism, is literally a shitty, evil iron age ideology. Deeply supremacist, deeply genocidal, doesn't have any "Sermon on the Mount" moment. But 98% of Leftists will never bring themselves to critique it directly, and 60% of leftists can't even bring themselves to criticize Muhammed for murdering a pregnant woman and parading her and her dead fetus around because she was a better poet than him, or fucking a 9 year old.
You know I find hilarious, people 100% acknowledge the Assyrians were histories biggest assholes, but ancient Jews were pretty much 1:1 exactly the same.
The only reason Jews aren't viewed as warmongering genocidal psychopaths, is because ironically, most adopted Christianity in the Levant, leaving only emigre Jewish populations with no state power.
>>2282016He could be banned forever on Twitch. But he's such a good sheepdog and Twitch has invested so much money in him already. Plus, the niche that he occupies at the top of leftist streaming needs to be filled in a controlled manner so getting rid of him on short notice because of an ADL spergout seems counterproductive. So while he could be banned forever and move to Youtube, I think cooler heads will prevail among liberals. Although, you can't ever tell with the level of hubris Zionists operate at.
Either way, if you care about the content: The parasocial vampire will be right back to soothe your thralldom anxiety.
>>2282028 (me)
IMO this is part of a psyop to bring Hasan to MSM relevance.
>>2281817>You're just being dumb….That's not tone policing, I'm just calling you a moron. It's what happens when you generalize Jews as "bad"They could just be dumb but
>>2281803 doesn't really help. The reason for distinguishing between Jews and Israelis is that one is an inherent characteristic and the other is a political position. If Jews are essentially evil then there is only one "solution" where Zionism is an ideology that can be changed. They could potentially choose not to be Zionists, its not possible to choose not to be (ethnically)Jewish. This mirrors the Marxist analysis of the bourgeoisie. They could choose not to be a capitalist. When the revolution comes the landlord could choose to give up his property and get a job. The solution to capitalism is not to kill the capitalist. And as Marx says the solution to the Jewish question is the same, abolish Capital before it turns everyone into a Zionist.
>>2281803>Judaism is an explicity pro-Genocidal religionlike come on man. are you just bringing up islamaphobia online because you also think thats a genocidal religion and you think its unfair?? you also have muslims and christians becoming communist on the basis of their religion. and what about the jewish marxists who justify communist revolution through tikkun olam? you dont have to subscribe to ADL to know the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism. pflp is secular and hezbollah religious yet they both know anti-zionism is at its core anti-imperialism.
>>2282053> its not possible to choose not to be (ethnically)Jewish.There is no such thing as Ethnically Jewish, this is entirely a ZIONIST concept that Jews themselves don't even truly believe. My wife literally is from Israel, she says the average reaction to Jewish ethiopians was "Ewww what the fuck, keep them away, gross", people made fun of Chinese Jews, people saw Mizrahi as hick retards. An Ashkenazi, never in a million years, would truly see themselves the same "ethncity" as Jewish Ethiopian or Jewish Kaifeng. Judaism is a religion, not a ethnicity.
Let me post the standard secular "Jewish" position from 100 years ago on this btw. Montagu's response to Zionist claims of a single Jewish ethnicity/"nation" of the time:
>I assert that there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my family, for instance, who have been in this country for generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion. It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of the same race.>I claim that the lives that British Jews have led, that the aims that they have had before them, that the part that they have played in our public life and our public institutions, have entitled them to be regarded, not as British Jews, but as Jewish Britons. I would willingly disfranchise every Zionist. I would be almost tempted to proscribe the Zionist organisation as illegal and against the national interest. But I would ask of a British Government sufficient tolerance to refuse a conclusion which makes aliens and foreigners by implication, if not at once by law, of all their Jewish fellow-citizens.The other Anon is completely correct, "Antisemitism" is largely a made up term or perhaps, more accurately describing what the Nazis believed. A more accurate term for what I'm describing, is Anti-Judaism. Same way Islamophobia is a bullshit term for most people, as they are Anti-Islam.
>If Jews are essentially evilJews are not necessarily evil, Islam for example, is quite literally, by nearly all Socialist values, a "evil" ideology, but most Muslims are fine people, who often have some pretty fucking shitty views on things, this is the same with most Jewish people.
The average deeply religious Jewish person you meet in the street, literally believes they are superior to you in every biological way, literally believes that their end goal is to enslave you, literally believes that every Palestinian, man, woman and child deserves to be killed. That is the actual ideology, what can you say about that? Hasids have a terrible repuation around people, even most secular Jewish people, because they are deeply religious, and guess what, that makes them flagrant, antagonistic fucking haughty ASSHOLES even by the standards of most Jewish people.
>like come on man.How is Zionism not just the political application of Judaism? What is the core command of Judaism? Got to the Levant and literally genocide every single person there and seize it. The calls to genocide against Palestinians, in Hebrew, are done EXPLICITY by Jewish authorities, using theological examples, demands by god, and dogma. If a Jew does not want to kill every Palestinian man woman and child, they are explicity going against god's central command to the Jewish people, that is just fact.
Judaism is an explicity genocidal religion with calls for genocide constant, every single fucking time. The end game of Judaism is to literally murder all of us and enslave our children as a subhuman slave race. Shock horror, iron age genocidal ideology is genocidal nonsense.
What happens the SECOND Jews get some level of state power again? literally seconds later, Genocide. What will State empowered Jews do once Palestinians are gone? Move on to Lebanon, Genocide, move onto Syria, Genocide, move onto Jordan, Genocide. This is all commanded by their religious texts and dogma.
> you dont have to subscribe to ADL to know the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism. pflp is secular and hezbollah religious yet they both know anti-zionism is at its core anti-imperialism.Give me a reason why I should give a fuck about Jewish beliefs? Like? why should I view this ideology any better than Fascism or Liberalism?
>you also have muslims and christians becoming communist on the basis of their religion. and what about the jewish marxists who justify communist revolution through tikkun olamPeople doing good things for totally wrong reasons. These people are all, also, functionally apostates and heretics by their own religious values.
>yet they both know anti-zionism is at its core anti-imperialism.And they get called "antisemitic terrorist freaks" by 95% of Jewish people along with anyone else who questions Zionism, because shock horror, most Jews see Zionism as the political application of Judaism.
>>2281975Retarded zionist shitpost
Will you people fuck off already?
>>2282221>He is an islamophobe masquerading as an anti Zionist. You are dumb if you can't see this.Seems like he's probably anti-Abrahamic, I guess I'd have to see what he says about Christians, if not anti-religious in general.
I'm not even a fedora, but I am at least a secularist, and my respect for religion begins where it doesn't interfere with my life. Keep your nutty beliefs behind closed doors, outside of the government, and it won't be a problem.
>>2282221>"Islamophobe"oh god, how dare I criticize the ramblings of a schizo, cult leader shithead dogstomping warlord and his idiotic followers from the 7th century, HOW DARE I.
Lmao imagine calling yourself a Communist and giving a single fucking shit about what religionoids value. STATE MANDATED ATHEISM NOW.
>>2282232>yeah its pretty clear you dont know what you are talking about and for some reason think the most fundamentalist literalist interpretations of religions are the most true expressions of themWhat would Mohammed think of the average, modern "secular" muslim?
The text is literally the fucking RELIGION dude, lmao like what is this copium? Give me any decent example of why I should treat islam or Judaism any different from Nazism? Nazism had good aspects as well, the Environmentalism, healthy eating and living and a lot of Germans were nice people even as Nazis, doesn't mean I would go around saying "ummm the Holocaust is only a fundamentalist, literalist interpretation of Hitler's commands".
People are good people IN SPITE of their religions, not because of them.
>>2282255yes retard
opposition to islam is not a zionist-thing, it is a pure communist poisition
fucking islamists trying hard to make their medieval fascist ideology compatible with evertything
>>2282264The only element that elevates Christianity above Islam and Judaism is the few aspects of clarity from Jesus, but again, dogshit ideology filled with pedophiles and crazies, used to subjugate working classes accept their misery and subjugation, and why, as a Communist, should I have to bend over for an opposing ideology?
>>2282255Go back to worshipping your pedophile dog stomping warlord dude.
Also may I note, how Religionoids, can never, actually defend their beliefs or figures, they always just cry "ISLAMOPHOBIA", "ANTISEMITISM", because the obvious is true, Religious dogma is insane bullshit. Muhammad literally raped children, stomped dogs, and engaged in mass genocide, he was a petty, vindictive cunt who changed his views on a whim, based on whatever was personally positive to him in the moment, even tried to cuck his own fucking son with his big titty wife and said god commanded him to do it.
>>2282287Ah yes, the reactionary idea like, religion is bad. Yeah, sorry, I forgot, we are the Whites now, not Reds. Lmao.
>>2282291Islam is an evil religion = Palestinians deserve to be genocided = Israel is a benevolent force in the middle east.
I hope other posters are not fooled by you.
>>2282293Depends what you mean by Islamists: organizations like ISIS and al Qaeda are indeed reactionary evil organizations. They are the west's creation too.
However organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas and Taliban are domestic resistance organizations, founded in reaction to foreign occupation and imperialism. Every self respecting communist should support them.
>>2282298Israel is absolutely not a benevolent force, it's a political project by a bunch of Religious psychopaths based on a religious ideology that tells them to explicity genocide their enemies and everyone in the Levant.
I don't support Palestinians because they are Muslims like you do seemingly, I support them because they are humans, and humans, despite their ideology, don't deserve to be exterminated.
The Chinese converted Puyi, the literal Emperor of the Qing Dynasty, who carried the mandate of heaven, to a Communist. This is what a Communist society will do to all religionoids, because Communism is the most superior value and ideology.
>>2282321muslims will not understand you
They only understand our righteous religion vs the infidels
I am sick of supposed communists doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to cleanse islam of any wrongdoing
Islam is the most anti-communist ideology to exist
(Rule 7 - disruption with reactionary content) >>2282758Well I opened it and of course there's comments like "but muh uyghurs go through the same thing" so I'm pretty sure it must be bots.
This is total dehumanisation.
>>2281914>To this day, they still pretend it was a pro-Gaza peace festival, when it was literally just Universo Parelleo, a drug fuelled psytrance doof from Brazil.Yeah the "peace" stuff is just shit people say at raves to make everyone feel relaxed while using X. They weren't, like, peace activists engaging in some benefit.
>>2281923>Ironic too that anything I said is considered controversial on a supposedly Marxist board.It's just me, but I interpreted Marx's statement there as drawing out from the particular to the general. Like, everything you say about the "Jewish" religion can be true, but in capitalism the spirit of that religion has come to pervade the entire society.
In that sense we're all "Jews" now. Unless you're a food-growing peasant or are a professional soldier, you're likely doing something in the modern age which would've been socially coded as "Jewish" during the Middle Ages.
Religion is like a projected idealization of human social roles. (Like how Father "God" can be an idealized patriarchial authority figure.)
>>2283500Lol that article is so short yet has so much bad English or typos, and has a reading age of like 8
Just watch F1 guys come on
>>2283401rJudaism is such an insane fucking sub, along with rIsrael and rIsraelPalestine.
I have no idea why people bootlick Jewish people and do the "Uhh Judaism and Zionism are totally different" bullshit when you can just go read Jewish subreddits (or Israeli forums) and see they are insanely narcissistic, crybully, professional victim psychopaths.
I spent years dunking on Christians and Muslims a lot, but like I said in a previous post, nothing ever has come close to sheer unrelenting narcissitic attitude professional victim Jewish people have.
>>2283623Dumb
Entitled
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>>2283734Don't piss and shit your pants. Literally where else are you going to go read the average mainstream opinion of Jewish people? Reddit is literally the largest forum in the world, it's a pretty fucking good place to get an idea of the general zeitgeist within the Jewish community.
Shock horror, it's filled with batshit crybully zionists who think that literally anyone disagreeing with them on any point, or even repeating their own words in a critical way, is a fucking hate crime.
>>2283815I don't, I'm just saying it's a pretty good place to get a current zeitgeist within the Jewish community. It also matches, all polling on the topic as well, how Jewish community orgs act, how Jewish people shit themselves constantly about "antisemitism" which is clearly almost never actual bigotry.
The vast, VAST majority of polling show the overwhelming majority of Jewish people view that everyone done in Gaza is A-OK and good. I don't know why people want to pretend that Jewish people as a whole don't support this shit. Anti-Zionist Jews are literally called Kapos and Fake Jews by their own Synagogues and Community organizations lmao.
>>2283843>contemporary antisemitic discourse centres around those claiming only to be βantizionistβ. However, antizionism is at the heart of the issue β and, in our experience, is without fail antisemitic. Thus, without tackling antizionist antisemitism , βtearing antisemitism out by its rootsβ is frankly doomed to failure. While internally within the Jewish community there will always be a small minority with antizionist views, the vast majority identify as Zionist, with 93% saying Israel plays a central part in their identity. Antizionist antisemitism harms them deeply and multiple ways.Reminder, to the vast, near ubiquitous amount of Jewish people, all criticism of Israel, all Anti-Zionism, is literally Nazi level Antisemitism. But the left will still pretend that "aksually Zionism and Israel has nothing to do with judaism" despite it clearly fucking does, and the vast majority of Jewish people are pathologically loyal to the Jewish state. More American and British Jews go join the IDF, than they do the US or British military lmao.
>>2283857Wow that will show them a whole 4 people turn out!, still ignoring the fact that 9/10 Jews support this shit, and in the West, leverage their institutional, political, corporate and media power, to constantly push support for this stuff.
This genocide would not be happening if Non-Israeli Jews were actually critical of Israel, but instead, they massively spam pro-Israel agenda everywhere, while campaigning massively to shut down and remove the rights of anyone criticiquing the state they are loyal too.
BE made an important point, that more Germans in WW2, and more Americans during the Manifest destiny era, opposed the atrocities carried out by the US and Germany, than fucking Jews do in regards to Israel. More American colonists, sided with the Natives, than Jews do with Palestine.
>>2283864Judaism as an ideology is inherently reactionary.
Lets be real, you all just oppose this basic reality, because you don't want that criticism to be turned around on Islam, like it was up above and led to terminal pissing and shitting and seething.
Judaism as a religion, is inherently genocidal. The central command of God to the Jewish people, is to genocide the Levant and clear it for Jews. The end game of Judaism is to genocide and enslave the rest of of humanity. That isn't hyperbole, that isn't "racism" it's just literal fucking indisputable fact.
What is it with the Religioncucks on this board? Would you people defend Nazi Germans in the exact same way? What makes Nazism any different from a religion?
>>2283814>This is what literally every country with some leverage wants and allows to happen to children in occupied Palestine.China, just say it, you mean China.
And it is true, china could end the genocide if they wanted, but they'd rather watch Palestinians be sacrificed in the geopolitical game.
>>2283940>China, just say it, you mean China.I meant what I meant. Germany, the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, China, India, Russia, Britain, etc. They're all in on it. If just one of them actually started serious attempts to stop this, it could have happened but they didn't care enough. It's not a slight against China specifically, although if they were socialists they would have stopped this a long time ago or at the least stopped trading with zionists. Fuck all these governments.
>>2283951Just lazily trying to tie support for Israel as the same as support for Ukraine when it makes no real sense.
Hamas nor Gaza is of any relevance to British politics or Geopolitical aims beyond the fact that 80% of Parliament is more loyal to Israel than they are to the UK.
White House envoy Steve Witkoff told Axios on Monday he is "disappointed" that Hamas has so far failed to accept his proposal for a new Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal.
Why it matters: Witkoff has been speaking directly with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his top adviser Ron Dermer, and with Hamas leadership through a backchannel facilitated by Palestinian-American businessman Bishara Bahbah.
What they're saying: "What I have seen from Hamas is disappointing and completely unacceptable," Witkoff told Axios.
Driving the news: Negotiations have shown little progress. Meanwhile, the Israel Defense Forces are proceeding with an operation to displace all two million Palestinians in Gaza to a "humanitarian zone" and flatten most of the enclave.
President Trump said Sunday that he wants to end the war in Gaza "as quickly as possible," stating publicly what he's been saying privately since his trip to the Middle East earlier this month.
Zoom out: Hamas officials briefed Arab media on Monday that the U.S. has presented a new proposal for a hostage and ceasefire deal.
According to the reports, the proposal includes a 60-day ceasefire with the release of five live hostages on its first day and another five living hostages on its last day.
Hamas officials described the proposal as one that includes a boost in humanitarian aid delivery to Gaza, and the withdrawal of IDF forces to the lines they were in last March before the war resumed.
According to Hamas' claims, the U.S. proposal says that during the ceasefire negotiations, the U.S. has guaranteed that Israel will negotiate seriously and will not unilaterally resume the war like it did in the previous ceasefire.
Hamas then said in a statement that it accepts the new U.S. proposal.
The alleged U.S. proposal Hamas identified Monday differs from Witkoff's latest proposal in the number of live and dead hostages that would be released during the ceasefire and the timing and sequence of their release.
Witkoff's latest proposal includes the release of 10 live hostages and 19 dead hostages in return for 45-60 days of ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners
Behind the scenes: Witkoff said Monday that Hamas was given no new proposal, despite their claims.
He added that Israel will agree to his latest proposal for a temporary ceasefire and hostage deal.
Witkoff said the proposal Israel agreed to would "lead to substantive negotiations to find a path to a permanent ceasefire, which I agreed to preside over."
"That deal is on the table. Hamas should take it," he said.
The other side: The Israeli prime minister's office rejected the proposal Hamas described as "a U.S. proposal" and said "no responsible Israeli government could accept it."
π¨ Behind the scenes:
ποΈ A senior Israeli official familiar with the details said that Palestinian-American businessman Bishara Bahabah, who is talking to Hamas on behalf of Witkoff, has been in Doha in recent days and has held talks with the Hamas leadership.
ποΈ The Israeli official said that Bahah conducted the negotiations according to general guidelines he received from Steve Witkoff, such as the requirement that any deal include the release of 10 live hostages, a 60-day ceasefire, and an American commitment that Israel would hold serious negotiations to end the war.
ποΈ The source claimed that during the negotiations in Habah, he agreed to Hamas's proposal to release the 10 live hostages in two stages β 5 at the beginning of the ceasefire and 5 at its end β instead of all of them on the first day.
ποΈ Israel opposes this, claiming that it would allow Hamas to violate the agreement on the last day and refuse to release the remaining five hostages, so that in reality only five will be released.
ποΈ Bahah also agreed with Hamas on a wording that could be interpreted as if a permanent ceasefire would come into effect immediately upon the end of the 60-day ceasefire, without the need for additional agreements or negotiations β Israel rejected this, according to the Israeli official.
ποΈ "The deal that Habah made with Hamas was completely rejected by Israel, and it seems that when Wittkoff realized this, he hit the brakes," said the Israeli official.
>>2284004Hell yeah!
Don't spare the Dengist when
the revolution gets going. We've been building up for decades now, trans rights are just out of reach. Once we secure the most vulnerable under the matrix of oppression… Oh I don't even want to think about all the revolutionizing we are gonna be doing!
Oh and remember to BDS your groceries!
Decolonize the classroom!
Abolish the Police!
Up/Down with the current thing!
>Israeli government ministers have reportedly warned key European countries that any unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state could prompt Israel to take unilateral measures as well, potentially including the annexation of parts of the West Bank.
<Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer personally warned French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot and British Foreign Secretary David Lammy that Israel could respond to recognition of a Palestinian state by annexing Area C of the West Bank and legalizing unauthorized outposts, the Haaretz outlet cites a foreign diplomat familiar with the matter as saying.
<A separate report by Israel Hayom says Foreign Minister Gideon Saβar conveyed a similar message to counterparts in the UK, France and other nations, warning that steps against Israel would be met with Israeli actions such as extending sovereignty to West Bank settlements and parts of the Jordan Valley. βUnilateral moves against Israel will be met with unilateral moves by Israel,β Saβar reportedly said.
<The warnings come ahead of a French- and Saudi-led summit set to take place in New York next month, where French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to promote coordinated recognition of Palestinian statehood.
<While the US has said it will not participate, other European countries are still deliberating. Some, including Germany, Hungary and the Czech Republic, have reportedly voiced opposition to unilateral recognition. Others, such as Spain β which recognized a Palestinian state last year β and Malta β which has said it will do so at the summit β are expected to say they support countries announcing unilateral recognition.
>>2284152>brown children<whatPalestinians are white
Israelis are mostly brown
>>2284225nukes are paper tigers
but china should do nothing
Palestinians will liberate themselves or they will go extinct
Whatever happens, China should not interfere in the regional brawl of the Middle East
>>2284243they will assimilate in the nations they live in and their palestinianness will disappear.
No identity exceptionalism for anyone. We have seen how that worked out for da jooz
>>2284239if burger empire wants to do imperialism, that must not mean that china also has to engage in imperialism
China does nothing and that is good
>>2284250only in anglo countries as anglos believe in ethnic enclaves and are socially awkward
france and other latin countries understand assimilation and thus reject any of this retarded muh identity
Palestinian as long as in Palestine, once in France, French it is
>>2284205Russia/Ukraine is more complicated than that.
NATO is the major aggressor but Putin is a fucktard who is using the situation to do braindead irredentism. Both sides are bourgeois and (wannabe) imperialist, and while one is far worse (NATO), the reasonable position remains revolutionary defeatism because the Atlanticists have grown too decadent to actually take advantage of the situation and would fumble the ball in a scenario where Russia was being destabilized by the war (especially since such a scenario would likely also involve the destabilization of Ukraine).
It's largely moot at this point however since NATO has mostly lost interest in pushing for anything like a victory as they have more or less accomplished as much of their goal (degrading Russia's military) as they can (not very much). In the end it's a horrific tragedy borne of the total disregard for the lives of the workers by various intra-bourgeois factions.
This is really not at all similar to what is happening in Palestine which is straightforwardly a settler colonial genocide and a front between the empire and the periphery rather than the empire and a rival quasi-empire. Israel's "war" is also posing legitimate threats to the power of the empire in ways that the Ukraine war does not at all. The fact that the US made a deal with Yemeni forces to allow their ships to pass without negotiating for anything to stop against Israel, and that they have negotiated with Hamas behind Israel's back, inidicates that NATO is losing Israel as a useful pawn. Meanwhile the war is meaningfully degrading Israel's capabilities as a settler state, largely because the entire situation is making the place seem non-viable as a "safe haven" for settlement, which undermines the most fundamental basis of its political project (demographic transfer and growth).
>>2283864100% of Jews could be as unhinged as Yoav Gallant and zioinism still would not be inherent to Judaism
>>2283868>Judaism as an ideology is inherently reactionary.There is no single ideology of Judaism. Religions in general are bad because they are false, even though they may be progressive in some way or another.
>Lets be real, you all just oppose this basic reality, because you don't want that criticism to be turned around on Islam,The taboo on criticizing Judaism comes from the Holocaust industry, not anything to do with Islam.
>The central command of God to the Jewish people, is to genocide the Levant and clear it for Jews.The historical reality is that the claims of this happening in the past are essentially fabricated and Jews were simply a group from that region. Further, the historical Kingdom of Israel insofar as it existed in the first and second temple periods was fairly small, arguably less than even a minor regional power. Certainly nothing compared to Israel today in relative terms. The stories are basically fictional with no basis in reality, and well before the 20th century were regarded as obsolete anyway. There certainly are pieces in the religious texts that can be put together in this way but by no means is it a clear and straightforward message as you're suggesting.
>The end game of Judaism is to genocide and enslave the rest of of humanity.No it is not. There is no substantiation for this anywhere. Not even today's zionists have such aspirations.
>What is it with the Religioncucks on this board?Nobody is cucked by religion. The arguments about this are largely irrelevant and have little if any bearing on the situation which is motivated by material interests not religious doctrines.
>>2284271>I think it'd be an error to conflate Jews and Zionism as a 1:1 thing as much as conflating Nazis and Germans as a 1:1 thing. It's like saying the essence of being German is to wipe out all the lesser races or something. And you ca make an argument that there are roots in German culture and philosophy (with its obsession with purity, whether in beer, religion or in the environment) which also produced the Nazis' racial purity ideology, which did have its endgame in the genocide and enslavement of everybody else.Bullshit. It's more like conflating Catholocism and Crusaders if the crusades were going on right now. It was right to to conflate crusader ideology with the Bush wars too seeing as he said that was one of his primary motivations.
So fine, #notallChristians, #notallJews, but a whole lot of them, and the crusader and zionist ideology doesn't exist in a vacuum apart from the religion itself.
>>2284281Or wahabist, or whatever "extremist" ideology. The religion itself is extremist, the texts are extremists. It's really retarded that anyone who is not a follower of these religions would feel the need to defend them.
Really what liberals expect is for every non-believer to try and convince all these extremist believers of these religions, that they the extremist, are misinterpreting their holy text, the text that does actually endorse and advocate violent extremist behavior, and that we have the correct interpretation, and that the correct interpretation is to be a moderate liberal.
>>2284282Ok, you could claim the majority of wahabists and crusaders aren't Muslim or Christian, I don't know how that would change anything. Those ideologies are inherently from their respective religions.
>>2284281>>2284284This game is so tired and pointless:
>Jesus said turn the other cheek!<Jesus also said I do not come to bring peace, but as sword>Jesus said give away your money to the poor!<Jesus also said sell your cloak and buy a sword.The books say anything and everything.
>>2284265>The fact that the US made a deal with Yemeni forces to allow their ships to pass without negotiating for anything to stop against Israel, and that they have negotiated with Hamas behind Israel's back, inidicates that NATO is losing Israel as a useful pawn. I don't think they're really losing Israel (it's not like they've stopped delivering weapons), but trying to balance short term and long-term interests. The deal over shipping is really to protect their short term interests as the conflict in the Red Sea was contributing (slightly, less than a percent, but something) to inflation, and it was messing with business. But at the same time, you see this domestic repression aimed at the Palestine movement, and the U.S. moving to discipline elite universities. The Israelis have been feeling left out recently but the U.S. just sent DHS secretary Kristi Noem over there to hump the Wailing Wall.
>>2284281>So fine, #notallChristiansI'm not getting into the Crusades, but they also slaughtered Christians and sacked Constantinople at one point.
>>2284284>Really what liberals expect is for every non-believer to try and convince all these extremist believers of these religions, that they the extremist, are misinterpreting their holy text, the text that does actually endorse and advocate violent extremist behavior, and that we have the correct interpretation, and that the correct interpretation is to be a moderate liberal.I think you're over-emphasizing ideology. The core insight of the Marxist theory of ideology (I know, bear with me here) is that ideology is not fixed or inherently tied to any particular content (like religion, nationalism, liberalism, etc.). It changes depending on the material needs and contradictions of a given class society. Christianity in a feudal society emphasies a divine right monarchy. In capitalism, it's the prosperity gospel of self-made religious entrepreneurs who emphasize an individually customizable and personal relationship with God.
>>2284288>I think you're over-emphasizing ideology. The core insight of the Marxist theory of ideology (I know, bear with me here) is that ideology is not fixed or inherently tied to any particular content (like religion, nationalism, liberalism, etc.). It changes depending on the material needs and contradictions of a given class society. Christianity in a feudal society emphasies a divine right monarchy. In capitalism, it's the prosperity gospel of self-made religious entrepreneurs who emphasize an individually customizable and personal relationship with God.Basically this argument is saying that idealism doesn't exist at all. So why would anyone need to deboonk idealism then if it has no measurable effect on people's actions? No, that's the whole point of decrying idealism, because people will take actions that have no relation to their material conditions or improving them because of their crazy unfounded beliefs.
I don't even know how that would need to be argued it's so obvious. Many people may live in the same material conditions, but some are caught up in cults and crazy beliefs, and the most effective way to help them is "deradicalization" or "reeducation" as communists have done everywhere. If you let people spread lies and insane beliefs and cults, and you just let them, even in a communist society, it will be a problem.
>>2284292>Basically this argument is saying that idealism doesn't exist at all. I wouldn't say that. But let me flip it around and talk about Islamist parties. You know my personal opinion? I don't like 'em. I don't like them anymore than I do other religious fundamentalists. But you have these toadies like Douglas Murray who moralize about them in these abstract terms about how they're "bad" and "evil" and how that comes from the religion. Which doesn't tell you – it obscures in fact – the material and historical conditions beneath the ideology, by which the ideology emerged and functions. We don't need to get into the history but we're talking about societies that have long been in various states of freefall or collapse, which is due to internal contradictions in the society but accelerated by scheming foreign powers using their countries as proxy battlefields, and so here comes a moral framework that gives people a sense of identity and purpose and is capable of mobilizing them to resist an enemy. People don't freely choose ideologies, really, they arise for a reason and in the absence of alternatives and then the most evolutionarily adaptive ideologies funnel down the path of least resistance. It's not simply "wrong."
That doesn't mean endorsing it either. Actually I suspect it might ultimately be harmful. Like not only socially reactionary (which is when the left usually does criticize them), but in substituting material analysis for magical, religious thinking about God's plan with patriarchial leaders who are just feeding people into a martyr-making machine and you can't question them even when they lose touch with reality and fuck up.
>>2284368>lose touch with realityYou moron, Nasrallah was probably one of the most sober and intelligent leaders out there, he had a very sober view of Israel as an imperial outpost, rather "Jews control the world" type of thinking. Sinwar was most likely similar too.
Fuck your orientalism, uyghur.
>>2284284>>2284284>Really what liberals expect is for every non-believer to try and convince all these extremist believers of these religions, that they the extremist, are misinterpreting their holy textand communists expect a change in the mode of production to undermine the social necessity of religion
>>2284292>that's the whole point of decrying idealismno there is no point. fighting idealism with debunking is idealism. communism isn't when you convince people you are right its when you demonstrate it through practical action. you want to change ideas? change the economy
>>2284386>no there is no point. fighting idealism with debunking is idealism. communism isn't when you convince people you are right its when you demonstrate it through practical action. you want to change ideas? change the economySo how do you change the economy without changing anyone's ideas? LMAO. I swear to god you guys pontificate some grandstanding bullshit without even giving an ounce of thought to what you're saying.
>>2284386>and communists expect a change in the mode of production to undermine the social necessity of religion There is no social necessity to religion, which is why many people do without it. I already said that people who live in the exact same material conditions maybe subscribers to many different belief systems and cults. People have brains and can be reasoned with or fed false reason.
>>2284378Well this is where you can do criticism of religion again, because religion – while not the root of the problem – is like a veil over other stuff. Hezbollah emerged as a resistance organization against Israeli occupation. But they didn't transform the base, and as in many such cases, Hezbollah lost its radical edge. They went into making all kinds of crazy business deals, and they entrenched themselves in a sectarian power-sharing system in Lebanon and reaped the spoils of that, which is a problem when facing Israeli aggression because it makes it harder to coordinate a unified country-wide, national, anti-imperialist front. Not that different from divided warlord-era China. And Hezbollah wasn't interested in fundamentally changing that system.
Its commitment to resistance to Israel (real enough) was important for its ideological legitimacy (along with its Shia religious identity) but that was also a mask. Hezbollah wasn't asking, "what class interests does X policy serve?" It was: "Is this Islamic? Is this resistance?" That contradiction helped be its undoing. They committed to help out Hamas but utterly refused to fully step up (presuming that they reckoned they didn't have the rest of Lebanon behind them), which Israel (correctly) concluded meant they could do whatever they wanted and get away with it, while buying enough time to perform a "strategic decapitation."
>>2284389Well this is the difference with Marxism. New ideas don't emerge in a vacuum, the Marxists say. Ideas change as a result of changes in material conditions, so that is primary. You can't just lecture people to change their ideas, they have to live through the real contradictions even if it means getting it good and hard.
Israelis marched today thru Muslim towns chanting death to arabs and may your villages burn
They were accompanied by politicians.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-jerusalem-nationalist-march-ben-gvir-0c6471592182aac205115150d1b3a552>BREAKING: The Israeli Minister of Finance Bezalel Smotrich:
>"We are not afraid of the word occupation. We are liberating Gaza - and settling it"
>"we are at the place where it all started, in the place of this mount, we all thanks God"
>"We are all giving force to God, giving force to tens of thousnads of our brave soldiers that right now fight in Gaza to bring us the security, to give us victory, to make us proud. There are some people who are worried from victory, we are not worried from victory, let's give power to our soldiers! are we afriad of victory? Are we afraid from the word occupation? We occupy Israel, we liberate Gaza, we settle Gaza, we win the enemy"
>"We thank God, we ask for more!"
I've long had my eye on Bezalel 'Greater Israel' Smotrich as Netanyahu's successor. I think he has the juice.
>>2284498That's the
original sin implicit bias antisemitism inherent in reality acting up. We humans have evolved over the instinctual drive for many things. Contradicting Israel chief among them.
Do better.
>>2284525Just because every single group of people in all of human history who have ever encountered Jews gradually came to hate them, doesn't mean you have to too.
Do better. We must break the eternal cycle of human history and inevitable antisemitism.
>>2284574>Good cop <Bad copIsrael Netanyahu will be "stopped" by the EU.
They'll do some even more farcical "Camp David Accord" stuff and pretend it's all behind them and they were always opposed to
Trump & Netanyahu's ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And that they are setting the region in some nonspecific road for peace because it has the rubberstamp of the western compradors and the PA puppets. The resistance will have no choice but to sign on and be graciously spared, though dismantled later.
And everyone will pat themselves in the back and celebrate at the UN with some resolution which puts it all behind them and gives Israel some vague unenforceable "human rights" goalpost to never abide by.
>>2284406The base texts of the religions may not have changed much, but certain aspects or teachings will get selectively bolstered or ignored depending on how well suited they are to the material conditions at the moment. The repeated line of Jews having a unique right to Israel from being god's chosen people, references to amalek etc. are examples of this.
You can see it with christian fascists too– They love gorging themselves on stories about the almighty purging perceived degenerates, but will completely gloss over pretty much all of Jesus' teachings that don't conform to their worldview (parable of the good samaritan, prodigal son, rich men and eyes of camels)
People's belief systems DO change, religion remains, primarily, as a selective bibliography to provide legitimacy to those beliefs.
>>2285079few years ago, and probably now it's certainly solidified with the zionist slander last year
>>2285077define "radical liberal"
>>2285101before: useful distraction of the neolibs
after: scourge of the neolibs
>>2285058based Thvnberg
happy to share nationality with this madlass
>>2285101this is a bit inaccurate. libs started getting mad at Greta before Oct 7
>>2285954Whoa! Who could have guessed that those who perform acts of nihilistic self sacrifice under the delusion that they are they starting a great chain of events that will change the world…
…would be crackpots? OH NONONONO
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On a more serious note, this helps nobody but the Zionists. I hope this illustrates the nature of these "progressive" liberals who in this case work for the Intercept or it's subsidiary "Dropsite News". They are, at the best of times, a lightning rod for the outrage that grounds demand for radical solutions right back into the mainstream.
But eventually they get the call, and then like Dropsite, join the propaganda effort on their terms. In this case, validating the idea that the ICC prosecution of Israel's is just a distraction from his sexual misconduct. By means of a "left coded" approach of validating the #meetoo style accuser.
(Even though, it must be said that at the heart of the matter the ICC is a toady of NATO, and their case against Israel is a red herring to distract from the ICJ case)
>>2285971 (me)
Or rather it's not just a media distraction, there is a lot of diplomatic pressure. And in relieving the judges and their represented states from the pressure by promoting the ICC case, they allow the court more room to fail in NATO favor and less scrutiny.
>>2286123No, officer, I am a good
gboy.
>>2285939<All they can do is do as the US anti-war draftees did and run while they still can.B-B-b-but there is another way anon.
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>>2286165>>2286167>Do not do this you will end up on a list, and not an irrelevant one.Really couldn't care less.
You are a timid faggot to scared to even write to do prisoner support.
Why are you even here? You are not a leftist you are someone who enjoys posting on the internet.
>>2285945His old SA forums account got banned and rofl
>>2285971It's self-defeating. I would add that it springs from something like "petit-bourgeois radicalism."
Going back to this:
>>2280821>Hamas may certainly be opting to create a bourgoise state, but to say its islamist and fully anti-leftist is a lie by omission … But don't take my word for it, here's some extracts from their 2017 charter.>[…] By virtue of its justly balanced middle way and moderate spirit, Islam β for Hamas - provides a comprehensive way of life and an order that is fit for purpose at all times and in all places … Hamas believes that the message of Islam upholds the values of truth, justice, freedom and dignity and prohibits all forms of injustice and incriminates oppressors irrespective of their religion, race, gender or nationality.I'd say that there's no reason Islam and capitalism can't mix. This used to be believed in a lot 100 years ago, while that's impossible to sustain now, and actually it's dumb even historically because of the long history of Islamic traders and merchants.
But this romanticized idea that Islam is inherently egalitarian is wrong. Islam has throughout history also legitimized slavery, oligarchies, and rigid class hierarchies. In fact, it doesn't automatically produce ANY particular society. It can support conservative monarchies, revolutionary movements, liberal reformers, and capitalist economies.
>>2285937The 20% arab minority of the genocidal are living under constant surveillanc3 qnd if they try anything the zionazis will come for them
But rest assured once the jews are done with gazans and west bankers they will come for them, they need to act
>>2287744It really is.
The first of these is relevant to everyone but the US and friends.
Not everyone can afford to put sanctions (unilateral coercive measures) on anyone they like.
>>2287462Islam is not compatible with Capitalism because Capitalism is too progressive for the medieval fascist ideology known as Islam
That said, death to Zionism, free Palestine, death to Islamism, death to Imperialism, long live communism !
>>2287939This is insane 10/10
>>2287862stfu and read OTJQ before saying dumbass fucking shit
>>2288106OTQJ is for the J not for Islam
Islam is cancerous fascism and the worst ennemy of communism
>>2288488Ironically, it seems to me the progressive aspect of Islam is lacking a central authority. And often being more of a national unification against foreign oppression. But Judaism is pretty much centralized in Israel, whether theologians like it or not. All the power is there, and the Jewish identity has become a national identity under the Israeli state banner.
So I guess I'm arguing that Judaism is one example of how Islam could be reactionary.
That's one of the funnier retorts of Hasbara to me, "But Muslims got MANY states". Because yeah, that is the Zionist's worst nightmare, diluting their claim to build an ethnonationalist state.
>>2288512Judaism isnβt centralised in Israel. Orthodox Religious Jews have book autism and their authority is religious judges who lived nearly two thousand years ago, plus their rebbes from late medieval to 18th century Europe. The Israel rabbinate is usually viewed as compromised by their integration with the secular state of Israel. New religious decisions are made locally or by heads of rabbinical traditions.
Zionism is an ethnic project which is why itβs strongest support base is among non-religious or reformist religious Jews.
>>2288488Re: Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Paganism, Zoroastrianism, Spirituality, All Theology, All Abstractions, All Regressors, All Conservatives, All Cultures -
God Does Not Exist
Besought by certain comrades, I publish today the development
of my thesis, "God Does Not Exist," and refute the principle
arguments of the evangelist Tagliatela.
The struggle against the religious absurdity is more than ever a
necessity today. Religion has revealed its soul in the full flare of
the sun. To be still deluded would be cowardice. No matter what
the adaptations of the Church to the new and inexorable necessities
of the times may beβalas, it is to weep!βthey are attempts,
generally vain, to resuscitate the titles of the βdivine bankβ which
already is on the road to failure.
Confronted with the spread of free thought, Pope Sarto [Pope
Pius X], fearful of the destinies of his domination, cried out:
"Faithful, the Antichrist is born!
"The Antichrist is human reason which rebels against dogma
and a beaten god."
Dieu n'existe pas
When we claim that "God does not exist," we mean to deny by
this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped
in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over, that
God who from nothing created the universe, from chaos matter,
that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason.
With each new discovery of chemistry, physics, biology, the
anthropological sciences, of the practical application of sound
principles, dogma collapses. It is a part of that old edifice of
religion which crumbles and falls in ruins. The continuous progress
of the natural sciences now extending from city to country,
disperses the darkness of the Middle Ages, and the multitudes
desert the churches where from generation to generation they
betook themselves to pray to Godβthat monstrous product of
human ignorance.
Let us examine the nature of God. We force ourselves,
therefore, to reason in a vacuum, the God of religions being their
own image of their mental vacuum, the proof of the complete
absence of any activity in reasoning.
How can the idea of a creator be reconciled with the existence
of dwarfed and atrophied organs, with anomalies and
monstrosities, with the existence of pain, perpetual and universal,
with the struggle and the inequalities among human beings?
Epicurus, the philosopher who lived in Rome in the time of the
decadence of the Republic, posed the following questions:
"Either God wishes to do away with evil in this world and
cannot succeed; or he can do away with it and does not wish to; or
he cannot and does not wish to; or finally, he wishes to and can. If
he wishes to but has not the power, he is not all-powerful. If he has
the power to do away with evil and does not wish to, he is not
infinitely good. If, as affirm the deists, he can and wants to, tell
me, then, why does evil exist on earth, and why does not God
make it impossible?"
That which affronts human reason most is the inconceivable
fact of the creative power of a God who from nothingness created
everything, from chaos the universe. . . .
One would have to be completely without knowledge of
physiology, botany, and psychology to claim today the existence of
a "soul" independent of the body; on the contrary, one which does
not form one of the two distinct aspects of the unique human
nature.
Dogma is absurd because it presupposes immobility and the
absolute. Nothing in the world is absolute, everything is relative.
Nothing is entirely changeless, but there is a continual
transformation, a perpetual movement of forces.
Dogma presents to human reason an obstacle to progress
because it imposes limitations to the painful but salutary impulses
towards the search for truth, because it checks the free expansion
of all intellectual energy.
Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma.
The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd.
"Religion is the opium of the people."βKarl Marx.
It being demonstrated that religious dogma presents itself to the
human spirit and to rational criticism as "the absolute consecration
of the absurd," let us see why moral religion is "immoral."
The evangelists are ridiculous when, instead of studying the
Bible as a document of a certain historic interest, they try to credit
it with real life and bring to the masses the principles of Christ
(who perhaps never existed) as the ethical principles of a morality
everlastingly young, permanent, modern, in complete accord with
the present age. The Bible and morals called Christian are two
cadavers which the evangelists attempt to galvanize into life with,
it must be agreed, small enough success.
It is, therefore, clear that religious morality is one of
resignation and sacrifice, a morality which may be dear to the
weak, to the degenerate, to slaves, but which results in the
diminution of reason and human personality. It bends man toward
the earth, making him a slave to divinity. It favors the conservation
of those primitive sentiments which belong to that period of animal
life long left behind, and transforms the "thinking being" into a
"passive sheep" who lives in the fear of the universal judgment.
Religious morality shows the original stigmata of
authoritarianism precisely because it pretends to be the revelation
of divine authority. In order to translate this authoritarianism into
action and impose it upon humanity, the priestly caste of revealers
has sprung up and with it the most atrocious intolerance.
Certain it is that religion is a psychic disease of the brain, a
contraction, a tightening up of the individual who, if he is
profoundly religious, appears to us as abnormal.
The history of many saints, beatified by the church, is
repugnant. It shows nothing more than a profound aberration of the
human spirit in search of ultra-terrestrial chimeras; it is a delirium
which can attain the state of spasms of passion and which ends in
madness.
Therefore, many of those who today hover over the altars of
the Catholic Church are pathological cases, hysterics, dΓ©omanes
and demonomaniacs.
Even today in the more remote parts of Italy and Spain we can
witness similar phenomena, Saint January for the people of Naples,
and the Madonna of Lourdes for French bigotry. Are they not
analogous aberrations?
If we read the history of religions, we find that it deals with the
pathology of the human brain. If today the Middle Ages are retiring
into the thick shadows of convents, it is due to triumphant
skepticism; and if the epidemic disease of religion no longer
appears with the terrible intensity of former times, it is due to the
diminution of the political power of the Church which formerly
placed on the heads of people its cap of lead.
Religion presents itself to our eyes in another characteristic: the
atrophy of reason. The faculty by which man is differentiated from
the lower animals is his reasoning power. But the devout believer
renounces reason, refuses to explain the things which surround
him. the innumerable natural phenomena, because his religious
faith is enough for him. The brain loses the habit of thinking; and
this religious sottishness hurls mankind back into animalism.
In concluding we say that "religious man" is an abnormality
and that "religion" is the certain cause of epidemic diseases of the
mind which require the care of alienists.
Religion has shown itself in the open as the institution whose
aim is political power by which to externalize the exploitation and
the ignorance of the people.
>>2288788>centralized in Israel, whether theologians like it or notEven if most Zionists are not Jewish, most
Jews *are* Zionists or sympathetic enough to support the Zionist project. Making "Jewishness" a nationalist, racial category is long gone from a Zionist project to a Zionist reality.
I've said this before, but you won't get anywhere trying to salvage "The Good Jew" from the Zionists, because you simply cannot offer anything to them other than moralism. Zionism has actual power, actual economic and political incentives. Zionism is a material benefit for most any Jew that adopts it, particularly in places like NATO where they are free from the tensions of settler colonialism but the state is still unflinchingly compromised to back Zionism in every situation.
So you ought to focus on undoing that privilege, rather than moralizing. You would think it retarded to combat white supremacy or sexism by doing nothing other than elevating the right models of behavior without attacking the structures that keep the privilege. But for some reason, "Jews" enjoy this incredible protected status and they cannot be physically convinced of the folly of supremacist viewpoints.
>>2288962A white nationalist getting beat, or counter protested is a laudable thing, period. But zionists? Oh shit you better be 100% peaceful, put every other cheek on your body for them and the police to smack. And keep some Jewish tokens around to hide behind. And make sure to denounce every flavor of "antisemitism", real or imagined, on command.
And forget about destroying property or explicitly addressing Zionism as the reason. Nono you gotta object to the acts in the name of Zionism but that former is a most sacred category of respectable opinions!
>>2289010we are winning on social media
Zoomers are repulsed by nonstop videos of Israel killing children
within another 20 years Israel will have lost all support from Western states and will be forced to carry out their genocide alone
Multipolarity and its consequences
>French President Emmanuel Macron further hits out at Israel over the war with Hamas in Gaza, amid an escalating war of words between Jerusalem and Paris.
>βIf we abandon Gaza, if we consider there is a free pass for Israel, even if we do condemn the terrorist attacks, we will kill our credibility,β Macron tells a top defense forum in Singapore, adding: βAnd this is why we do reject double standard.
>Macron said earlier today that recognition of a Palestinian state, with conditions, is βnot only a moral duty, but a political necessity.β
>France is considering recognizing a Palestinian state ahead of a United Nations conference, which France and Saudi Arabia are co-hosting between June 17-20, to lay out the parameters for a roadmap to a Palestinian state, while ensuring Israelβs security.
German federal press conference 2 days ago (topic: Namibia's first memorial day on the German genocide against the Nama and Herero and the current negotiations concercing reparations and reconciliation)
Journalist(Tilo Jung):
>The trigger for this genocide was a massacre of 1,000 Germans by Herero and Nama militias. Considering todayβs world situation and Germanyβs stance on Gaza, was this massacre in any way a justification for the German genocide that followed?Government response:
>I donβt want to make historical comparisons with the present. Jounalist(Tilo Jung):
>Well there is a reason why there is genocide research for that. The German government repeatedly refers to the October 7 Hamas massacre regarding the Gaza war. Would it ever consider the Herero and Nama massacre a justification for the genocide? Thatβs a simple question.Government Response:
>Iβve already said what I have to say.Journalist(Tilo Jung)
>So you are not negating that?Press conference moderato(intervening)r:
>Mr. Jung, was this your registered topic or something else. You named the topic Gaza
>Journalist(Tilo Jung)No. [lol] This is something else.
>Press conference moderatorThen go on and please pose your question on Gaza.
[press conference continue on questions about the aid organization fiasco and whether Germany supports the UN system or the private aid orgs]
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