What do you think of the term "brocialist"? Do you believe it's possible for men to hold left-wing political views and still keep a traditionally masculine image?
>>2280776See this is what I'm talking about.
Gymcel trap. "Get fit for x" Without mentioning fascism, the amount of people who get psy opped into thinking getting muscular will do anything is hilarious because it just keeps repeating over and over, each time becoming more farcical.
Go ahead go on a roid cycle then walk up to a group of women going "HI DO YOU WANNA JOIN MY ORG" and see how it goes.
>>2280777>Without mentioning fascismYou can do multiple things at once, dumb-dumb
>HI DO YOU WANNA JOIN MY ORGWell no one but you can fix your autism and your anti-social behavior
>>2280819I don't think its masculinity or femininity that really defines most communist organizations are successful.
Rather its the ability to commit to the cause, and use either qualities in its service, without major apologia or insecurity.
>>2280926>>2280924"We need military aged men so we can build a people's army, but we should do everything in our power to make our belief system and organizations as unappealing to those military aged men as possible."
Really just comes down to the fact that for the overwhelming majority of the left, revolution is an academic exercise and not something to die fighting for.
>>2280924>>2280926>>2280927>"Masculinity" is 80s male pin-ups and Hollywood filmsGiving more credence to how fickle and performative gender roles are and have been, and how such roles are shaped by both economic production and media. This isnt even about physical strength, which could be framed as something that anyone wishing to be healthy could strive for, rather it's adherence and desire for a particular aesthetic and supporting narrative.
Also, I'm genuinely confused by this thread. "Bro-socialist" back when it was a term, and by "back when" I mean a fucking decade ago on reddit of all places, generally referred to socialists who adopted positions that were seen as chauvinistic and dismissive of other causes. This became poorly used (if it wasn't already), and over time saw use to vaguely encompase anyone who held any position that various social issues, like racism or sexism, were "purely" an outcropping and development out of class society. Then it completely died out as a term when it just got vapidly thrown around between tendencies and organizations for really anyone who disagreed on much of anything (I've seen it used for everything from a person supporting a given country to someone supporting a given theorist). Sometimes I've seen it used to refer to people who treat socialist organizations as shallow "bro"-esc social clubs, with the attitude that comes with that, but that was rarer then any of the previous uses. Never though have I heard it used to refer to leftist men who have the "image" of being "traditionally masculine", not once.
>>2280770>>2280862communism has de facto familial associations because it de facto refers to the fact that things havent always been like this, this being alienated individuals suffering alone as interchangeable sources of commodities. but communism is not reactionary and the vast majority of if not every known historical mode of production was based on patriarchal right. the family is a longstanding historical mode that has been in many ways abolished outside of its immediate nucleus in every instance of developed capitalism, which means its possible to go beyond something assumed to be inevitable. so the family is a very important referent. within systems of patriarchal right, the countless masculine and feminine roles are all associated in some way or another with nurturing the family. the effective abolition of the historical family under capitalism still requires its nucleic form to reproduce labor-power. in most of the world, in most capitalist societies, this non-waged reproduction becomes primarily the duty of the mother. the mother has the exceptional expectation of nurture, care, guardianship, regardless of wage or caste. if communism has any association its not masculine or feminine, its maternal, because the mother figure represents (i mean symbolically) the contradictory necessity of non-waged social cooperation even within a mode of production that insists it is transhistorical and eternal
>>2280924Also,
>Being masculine is so shamed in today's society Where? I don't see this anywhere in my daily life. If anything, image is coupled and weighted by personal values and political affiliation. Someone who has the "image" and "aesthetic" of masculinity is not demeaned for such, rather whether they should be mocked or not is determined upon the exposure or admission of their values. Many will celebrate a given "masculine" or "feminine" man, so long as they state political values they themselves support. For example, Noel Deyzel and Jeff Nippard are enjoyed by liberals because of their values and who they are, while being sterotypically "masculine", while Milo Yiannopoulos and Christian Walker are enjoyed by conservatives while being more physically "feminine".
>>2280890This.
Masculinity is a spook. What is important is if you are assertive when it matters and confident or not, but this is a good trait to have whenever you are a girl or a boy.
I played football with a 8 years old girl, I kept losing, but I'm not fragile enough to think this is a blow to my "masculinity". I truly feel the pair of balls I have between the legs (especially after that kid mischeviously shooted the ball toward my dick, goddamn brat). My own version of "masculinity" was telling her "you are good at sports, keep practicing, and be careful about knee injuries" and when she told me she couldn't play football with boys on the nearby public square because "it's only for boys", I was very sad.
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