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Are Uyghurs actually worse than regular normies?

This is an important distinction, since the reactionary camp encompasses two types of people.

1. Normie operating on instinct
2. Entrenched cultist with ideological conviction

For example, America is full of the first kind. I wouldn't expect your regular American Christian to oppose life extension through science, because they wouldn't be ideologically consistent enough in their worldview to want that. Their fear of death or inconvenience in the moment outweighs the abstract possibility of heaven in their mind, creating a sort of instinctive doublethink. For such people, religion is an expression of autopilot conformity. They don't have agency are more like red blood cells in the social organism rather than something to be exterminated.

Keep in mind, I have massive contempt for the first type of reactionary. Unfortunately, they are the VAST majority in every society, and the "socialization" solution for this majority is only achievable through careful sustained effort (as the USSR learned the hard way). If the Uyghurs are a variant of this first type of person, then overkill persecution isn't necessary and won't achieve much (aside from bad optics).

HOWEVER, if they are like the second group - Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, or other moralizing fundies who would prevent us from playing god with science, they deserve everything they get and more.

Most of what I know about these people is from heavily biased sources. Do we have any objective proof that Uyghurs belong to the second category of fundamentalist reactionaries? I have no stake in this matter, and am open to a convincing argument on why they people actually suck.

>>2282927
>Blood and soil

>>2282952
DOTP will oppress you ;)


They got massively affected by the wave of salafism that swept the world. They would go to hajj and bring back texts and lectures that genuinely produced sweeping, regressive social changes in a historically short time frame.

>>2282861
Their silly culture is worthless and their primitive religion is only harmful for them and everybody around them. They integrate into Han culture and adopt atheism and then nobody needs to re-educate them.

If they need to be dragged kicking and screaming into modernity and socialist development, so be it.

>>2282861
>Do we have any objective proof that Uyghurs belong to the second category of fundamentalist reactionaries?
No such a thing doesn't exist. "prone to" or "more easily" something is a false narrative created by right wingers to promote the ideals of the greater v. the lesser, the ubermensch v. the untermensch.

as much as the catholic religion has its reactionaries, as much Judaism has its reactionaries, Islamism, too has its reactionaries. And they are used by other factions, even beyond Islamism.

I'll leave the typical pictures before radlibs start to scream free Uyghurs.

men who wear knives to symbolize their manliness are sus toxic masculinity freaks, how about you 'everyday carry' a soul you fucking murder hobo losers 😆😅🤣😂

What the fuck are you guys ITT actually talking about. China doesn't "erase their primitive culture" or tries to surpress Islam in favor of state athetism.

Some of the biggest mosques of the world are in Xinjiang. The ratio of mosque per 100k people is some of the highest in Xinjiang. Street signs are in Uyghur. Some university lectures are in Uyghur. Uyghurs were excempt from the two-child-policy.

Yes, China tries to fight the extremist elements of Salafism, and makes sure that Uyghurs at least also speak Chinese, which is the lingua franca and official language of China.

>>2284085
>What the fuck are you guys ITT actually talking about. China doesn't "erase their primitive culture" or tries to surpress Islam in favor of state athetism.
That's the problem, they should.

>>2284086
nta, and not, they shouldn't. de-radicalization from the external separatist forces aiming to subdue China? yes, absolutely.

>>2284089
Nta, and yes, they should. Endorsing mental illness does no good for the development of society.

>>2284089
When we claim that "God does not exist," we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over, that God who from nothing created the universe, from chaos matter, that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason.

With each new discovery of chemistry, physics, biology, the anthropological sciences, of the practical application of sound principles, dogma collapses. It is a part of that old edifice of religion which crumbles and falls in ruins. The continuous progress of the natural sciences now extending from city to country, disperses the darkness of the Middle Ages, and the multitudes desert the churches where from generation to generation they betook themselves to pray to God — that monstrous product of human ignorance.

Let us examine the nature of God. We force ourselves, therefore, to reason in a vacuum, the God of religions being their own image of their mental vacuum, the proof of the complete absence of any activity in reasoning.

How can the idea of a creator be reconciled with the existence of dwarfed and atrophied organs, with anomalies and monstrosities, with the existence of pain, perpetual and universal, with the struggle and the inequalities among human beings?

Epicurus, the philosopher who lived in Rome in the time of the decadence of the Republic, posed the following questions:

"Either God wishes to do away with evil in this world and cannot succeed; or he can do away with it and does not wish to; or he cannot and does not wish to; or finally, he wishes to and can. If he wishes to but has not the power, he is not all-powerful. If he has the power to do away with evil and does not wish to, he is not infinitely good. If, as affirm the deists, he can and wants to, tell me, then, why does evil exist on earth, and why does not God make it impossible?"

That which affronts human reason most is the inconceivable fact of the creative power of a God who from nothingness created everything, from chaos the universe. . . .

One would have to be completely without knowledge of physiology, botany, and psychology to claim today the existence of a "soul" independent of the body; on the contrary, one which does not form one of the two distinct aspects of the unique human nature.

Dogma is absurd because it presupposes immobility and the absolute. Nothing in the world is absolute, everything is relative. Nothing is entirely changeless, but there is a continual transformation, a perpetual movement of forces.

Dogma presents to human reason an obstacle to progress because it imposes limitations to the painful but salutary impulses towards the search for truth, because it checks the free expansion of all intellectual energy.

Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd.

"Religion is the opium of the people." — Karl Marx.

It being demonstrated that religious dogma presents itself to the human spirit and to rational criticism as "the absolute consecration of the absurd," let us see why moral religion is "immoral."

The evangelists are ridiculous when, instead of studying the Bible as a document of a certain historic interest, they try to credit it with real life and bring to the masses the principles of Christ (who perhaps never existed) as the ethical principles of a morality everlastingly young, permanent, modern, in complete accord with the present age. The Bible and morals called Christian are two cadavers which the evangelists attempt to galvanize into life with, it must be agreed, small enough success.

It is, therefore, clear that religious morality is one of resignation and sacrifice, a morality which may be dear to the weak, to the degenerate, to slaves, but which results in the diminution of reason and human personality. It bends man toward the earth, making him a slave to divinity. It favors the conservation of those primitive sentiments which belong to that period of animal life long left behind, and transforms the "thinking being" into a "passive sheep" who lives in the fear of the universal judgment.

Religious morality shows the original stigmata of authoritarianism precisely because it pretends to be the revelation of divine authority. In order to translate this authoritarianism into action and impose it upon humanity, the priestly caste of revealers has sprung up and with it the most atrocious intolerance.

Certain it is that religion is a psychic disease of the brain, a contraction, a tightening up of the individual who, if he is profoundly religious, appears to us as abnormal.

The history of many saints, beatified by the church, is repugnant. It shows nothing more than a profound aberration of the human spirit in search of ultra-terrestrial chimeras; it is a delirium which can attain the state of spasms of passion and which ends in madness.

Therefore, many of those who today hover over the altars of the Catholic Church are pathological cases, hysterics, deomanes and demonomaniacs.

Even today in the more remote parts of Italy and Spain we can witness similar phenomena, Saint January for the people of Naples, and the Madonna of Lourdes for French bigotry. Are they not analogous aberrations?

If we read the history of religions, we find that it deals with the pathology of the human brain. If today the Middle Ages are retiring into the thick shadows of convents, it is due to triumphant skepticism; and if the epidemic disease of religion no longer appears with the terrible intensity of former times, it is due to the diminution of the political power of the Church which formerly placed on the heads of people its cap of lead.

Religion presents itself to our eyes in another characteristic: the atrophy of reason. The faculty by which man is differentiated from the lower animals is his reasoning power. But the devout believer renounces reason, refuses to explain the things which surround him. the innumerable natural phenomena, because his religious faith is enough for him. The brain loses the habit of thinking; and this religious sottishness hurls mankind back into animalism.

In concluding we say that "religious man" is an abnormality and that "religion" is the certain cause of epidemic diseases of the mind which require the care of alienists.

Religion has shown itself in the open as the institution whose aim is political power by which to externalize the exploitation and the ignorance of the people.

>>2284089

In concluding we say that "religious man" is an abnormality and that "religion" is the certain cause of epidemic diseases of the mind which require the care of psychiatrists.

>>2284106
Religious tendency is innate to the human condition though. Even if the proles abandon one form of false consciousness, they will glom onto some other ideology or cult thing.

We may be too "high autism score" or antisocial for sky fairies.etc, but the masses will always have some form of "religion", whether its the legacy kind or a modern secular analog. These people won't ever become "enlightened". The best you can do is help decide what goes into the religion slot of their brain.


>>2284089
>died at the age of 135
cap, oldest person ever was like 122

>Uyghur

oh, okay lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people

>someone posts those "This is the truth about Xinjiang that NATO doesn't want you to see!" videos of people just being people
>no-one else seemed to notice the two out-of-place x-ray scanner checkpoints at the entrances to a shopping mall
There's probably no genocide or chauvinistic suppression, but their situation is not normal. The region does have racial profiling being used to crack down on separatist indiscriminate mass casualty events (i.e. terrorism against civilians). And the profiling makes sense, other groups are unlikely to be involved in separatism and putting them in the queues is largely a waste of resources, but it's still racial discrimination that has an effect on society.
I would say, as far as governance goes, Uighurs seem to be suppressed more than Middle Eastern peoples in the West after Islamic terrorist events. And I'm not trying to equivocate them, but to point out, this is not a dynamic we're familiar with and it seems repressive, even if the impact is relatively minimal to people not involved in separatism.

Also I just wanna say that the name "Xinjiang" is fucking horrible, fuck the CPC for retaining it despite internal opposition.

Didn't investigate; spoke regardless

Also fuck the scum on Chinese nationalist sites saying "hey look there are black police officers in Texas and black CEOs, this is proof that black people aren't being suppressed" except with Uighurs in Xinjiang.




>flooding isg videos without context or description
not clicking

>>2288915
>>2288917
>>2288920
>uuuuh you see journos can twist the facts in such a way so that it supports their opinion, therefore uyghur genocide is real!
>no smoke without the fire!
>Cries of reactionaries is a proof!
>But China admitted it! Look at that leaked data (totally real not fake)!
>Deradicalization camp is an euphemism for concentration camp!

USSR had to deal with this shit since 1917. None were true. Neither those malicious rumours are true about China. Not. Even. A. Single. Rumour.

>didn't happen
<the uyghas deserved it
>we'll do it again

>>2288915
>>2288917
>>2288920
>the amenities at a backwater vocational school don't look like a 3 star western hotel, THAT'S VERY SUSPICIOUS, LOOKS LIKE A PRISON

I should probably read theory more seriously so I stop falling for grifters over and over again

>>2288843
that's based on "western verification" process, smartass. people have lived with old registries that the western institutions don't acknowledge as legitimate.

>>2288920
>>2288917
>>2288915
t. succdemagogery
I hate the hassan pikes
I hate the kyle kulinskys
I hate bad empanadas..
they can die in a fire.

Another day on leftypol, another AI-generated sinophobia thread outside of the prc-general.


>>2289045
At least this one's actually written by a human. The AI shit is soulless and you can kinda tell

>is this skull shape inherently le evil
do dengoids rlly

>>2288964
Western „journalists“, even the average MIGAtard is more trustable than anything the chinese government says. Concentration camps are the nature of dictatorships, simple as that. Neither China nor the USSR could survive without them.

>>2334014
islamists deserve the camps

>>2333973
Yes they rlly

that's crazy dawg. check this out tho.

>>2334017
That‘s what the chinese government wants you to think that these in there are all Islamists. It‘s the nature of dictatorships that most, if not all opposition is labeled as some kind of extremism, as we see here with the Uyghurs.

Also, while actual islamists definitely would deserve the camp, it is by far the worst option.

>>2282861
Motherfucker you are talking to a deranged board where people will unironically use uygha because their racist ass is to cowardly to at least fully showcase their colors and use the widely accepted term for feral blacks. Why do you expect a modicum of intellect out of these cretins?

>>2334026
How does one get so far and be correct the entire time only to horrifically and embarrassingly crash and burn right before the end? Astounding.

>>2334026
>Feral blacks
i consider whites to be uyghurs as well

>>2334024

wowowow you can't say that word uygha

>>2334025
>That‘s what the chinese government wants
How do you know what the Chinese government wants?

>>2334048
I already said it in >>2334025, but I‘ll repeat it here: It‘s the nature of dictatorships to label most, if not all opposition as some kind of extremism an therefore attempt to delegitimate it.

In the case of the Uyghurs, islamism is a good option for that, as „Xinjiang“ undeniably had islamist terroristic attacks. Only very few people in these camps are actual islamists, 99% or more are there because they did something the chinese government didn‘t like, for example practicing non-chinese culture

Mods! Rape this man right here for racism!

>>2334093
reddit spacing

>>2334114
>Someone who critizises the chinese government so harshly must be from reddit
As an Anarchist, why should I see the chinese state in any positive way, especially because it doesn‘t care about it‘s own people more than necessary to keep them in line (just like Amerikkka)?

^^I hate black propaganda^^

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>>2334143
sit down bitch boy, get back to me when anarchists can build 47,000 KM of high speed rail

> they did something the chinese government didn‘t like, for example practicing non-chinese culture

anyone can catch a flight to china and see xinjiang for themselves and see how uyghur culture is is encouraged and on full display. not to mention all the infrastracture china is building there like subways and hospitals, unlike gaza which is getting carpet bombed and tourists haven't been allowed to enter it for decades.

here's a Jamaican guy backpacking across Xinjiang and sees an uyghur style wedding
https://youtu.be/UKkDMiivV-o?t=212

indian travelers in urumqi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4n2NKR-qM
https://youtu.be/w4vBJtioHr

pakistani vlogger in kashgar
https://youtu.be/pfIZhtE9Yho?t=30

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>>2334291
also, reminder that hijabs aren't banned in china as seen here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrYVp3-pObg
https://youtu.be/hEgLpqcjye8?t=538

but the thing is hijabs or burqas were never part of uyghurs' traditional clothing. for headwear, uyghur women usually wear nothing or headscarf or a traditional cap in square form. the traditional clothes of uyghurs people are also very colorful.

first pic is what they traditionally wore. however, a lot of younger uyghur women also tend to wear more Westernized clothing which can be see with younger people in religious communities across the world. This is Uzbekistan whose tradional clothings are similar to Uyghurs, but you see a lot of women wearing modern clothing:
https://youtu.be/OBKSscSA_aM?t=524

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>>2334312
women wearing burqas in xinjiang is a very recent thing that was imported from abroad, the same places that expouse wahhabism ideology in which the US have been funding money into (world uyghur congress is also headquartered in washington DC) in order to destabalize the region as it borders china.

picrel is an uyghur woman that was part of the 2014 terrorist attacked that killed both han chinese and uyghur muslims that didn't subscribe to radical wahabbaism islam. notice what's she wearing? these terrorists are the ones that are trying to erase uyghur traditions. for instance, they see dancing as haram, even though it has historically been a major pat of uyghur culture. their ideology is imported from abroad and backed by CIA. check NED grant receipts on their website

reminder that u.s. army colonel and former chief of staff to collin powell, lawrence wilkerson, is on record saying "If the CIA has to mount an operation using those Uygurs as Erdogan has done in Turkey against Assad. . . Well the CIA would want to destabilize China, and that is the best way to do it to form an unrest." so we suddenly started getting assblasted in every news outlet about the "concern" for chinese muslims as if the u.s. had any concerns for muslims in the iraq war which caused 9.2 million iraqis to become refugees and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths

>>2334093
>It‘s the nature of dictatorships
So you know the chinese gov innately wants that because it's a "dictatorship"? That's all the proof you need?

>to label most, if not all opposition as some kind of extremism an therefore attempt to delegitimate it

Xinjiang is not in opposition to the PRC, it's a constituent part of it, so what are they trying to delegitimize exactly?

>In the case of the Uyghurs, islamism is a good option for that, as „Xinjiang“ undeniably had islamist terroristic attacks

Ok but where does the PRC claim everyone in Xinjiang is a islamist? Or anything of the sort?

> Only very few people in these camps are actual islamists, 99% or more are there because they did something the chinese government didn‘t like

Source on this? "It's the nature of dictatorships" doesn't count

>for example practicing non-chinese culture

Uyghur culture is a chinese culture and is viewed as such by the CPC, maybe you're thinking of Wahhabism? That's from Saudi Arabia and yeah they don't like it in China :/

>>2334291
>sit down bitch boy, get back to me when anarchists can build 47,000 KM of high speed rail
Destroy all the railways in China, let the chinese comrades turn it into an anarchist commune, and the railways will be rebuild as they need it. Kropotkin used it as an example (chapter 11), you should read some basic anarchist theory.

>>2337784
>Destroy all the railways in China, let the chinese comrades turn it into an anarchist commune, and the railways will be rebuild as they need it
But why do this when the railway was already constructed in a much faster, more efficient and organized manner than what you/Kropotkin proposes? Which basically amounts to "just let it be, people sorted shit out between themselves before and that's like the best way to do it"

Also please provide an example of anarchists actually building high speed rail instead of theorizing about it

All of you are dumb uyghurs, actually, lol.


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