/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2369758
With a half functioning site jannies would remove him.

>>2371967
get some help

>>2369758
Nationalism won't ever be communism retard

>>2366701
Thanks! A book was exactly what I wanted :)

>>2360920
chauvinism is a hell of a drug

>>2289014
moralism

>>2286180

Weird moralizing about antisemitism when all the AES states (except maybe cuba) have no jewish population to begin with just shows you're a narcissistic shlomo who only care about AES states in relation whether they would let you build an epstein island.

>>2372350
Gibberish

>>2371997
internationalism is not antinationalism

>>2372404

Illiterate

>>2284496 Communism is a tool for anarcho-nihilism. You can't reject it completely. Read your book properly.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/monsieur-dupont-nihilist-communism

>>2286076
There is no such thing as an "Anarcho-nihilist project"
Projects are pointless struggles in aimlessness.

>>2284340
You are gay

>>2285161
Based and true

>>2394660
Putting aside the fact "project" is such a broad term it can mean most anything.
Taking that idea instead as true, what is your response to this situation as you find it? You have chosen to make this very aimlessness up to utter pointlessness the very centerpiece of your ideology, such as it is.

>But we need le nation for le communism
Think you fucking retard, THINK. Do we need to divide the proletariat between PS and Xbox users? Between Cyevy and Ford? Between Dewalt and Milwaukee users? Think idiot, THINK!
>but le nation state and le ethnicity is le deep and true!
Shut up you fucking retard, it isn't. Just because YOU are too stupid to think this way doesn't mean it's true.

So-called communists using the category of authoritarianism in serious.
Worthless ideologically, tactically

Fun facts:

The USSR went from a feudal medieval shithole to sending people to space in about 40 years and making almost all population literate.

They successfully established a dictatorship of the proletariat. The USSR instilled absolute TERROR among the Western oligarchs and fearing a world revolution they created the welfare state.

In 1991 shortly before it was dissolved (which was actually an illegal coup d'état) almost 80% of Soviets wanted it to remain.

Only Marxism-Leninism has worked, what have the anarkiddies achieved?

>>2284340
>Soviet anti-colonial socialist project
They annexed the Baltic states illegally and moved Russian settlers into those areas
>bbbut the Baltics voluntarily joined the USSR
No serious historian actually believes this, and the historians that do are usually less than honest historians from Russia, a country that has an incentive to avoid accepting the fact that they colonised the Baltics, since the Baltics want economic compensation for what happened to them. You can say they did the same thing in Ukraine as well, where ethnically Hungarian, Romanian and Russian lands were integrated into the Ukrainian SSR instead of being handed to the (socialist, I should add) Hungarian and Romanian republics.

China also does stuff like this today

Trying to defend this stuff because le liberals hate it is essentially just a communist version of “vote blue no matter who”, since you’re defending stuff you otherwise wouldnt defend solely because the people doing it are on your side, and it’s better them doing it than other people.

>>2395380
there is no occupation of Baltics >>2288225

>>2395380
And I should also add that the Baltics are a very good example of a people that bring out very chauvinistic attitudes from MLs, since in a lot of ML spaces, bringing them up immediately leads to
>but they’re le Nazis
(They aren’t, collaborating with the Nazis did happen, but it wasn’t ideological most of the time and many of those same collaborators turned on the Germans very quick)
>but they’re le butthurt belt
Given what we’ve discussed about being colonised, I wonder why they’re butthurt. The phrase “butthurt belt” is chauvinistic in itself, it’s no different from Britain calling the commonwealth countries their butthurt belt.
>but they complain!
And so do other peoples who were colonised. They have a right to.

>>2395386
>They aren’t, collaborating with the Nazis did happen, but it wasn’t ideological
every butthurt belter should be shot end of story
russian colonialism against the butthurt belt never happened but it should have

>>2395385
The existence of far-right paramilitaries doesnt mean that they weren’t occupied, since they didn’t actually control the governments in any of those countries (except for Latvia) and because the Soviets didnt actually enter those countries under the pretext of getting rid of those paramilitaries. In Lithuania for example, the Soviets asked the government if they could station their troops in Lithuania, in exchange for the Vilnius region from Poland. When the Lithuanian government accepted, they then couped the government.

And this also ignores that for decades during the Soviet occupation, negative attitudes against the Soviet government from the local Baltic population remained.

In any other context, these “mutual assistance” treaties would be seen as colonialism, since they were inherently coercive, but since it was the Soviets doing them, it’s perfectly fine. As I already stated, the narrative that those occupations were legal comes from Russian historians who try to justify them so that Russia does not have to pay reparations to the Baltics.

>>2395380
You are right in one regard. The tiny, pathetic german-backed capitalists of the three republics truly didn't want it, and because the state was theirs, these states didn't want to join the Soviet Union.
But to the proletarian and peasant from a stagnant interwar economy joining the state that just performed a qualitative leap from a peasant shithole to one of the foremost industrial powers is a no-brainer. To deny this kind of sentiment when so many around the world have a similar sentiment towards People's Republic of China is not just silly, but an entirely unconvincing lie. You can't gaslight us on this topic.

>>2395388
Like clockwork

>red country invaded grey country
>grey country doesnt like red country for historical reasons
>brown country invades grey country, now part of red country
>grey country sides with brown country because the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they might liberate them
>brown country does not do that
>grey country turns against both brown and red country
This is what happened in the Baltics according to any historian worth their salt, anything else is just Russian chauvinism disguised as Socialism.

>>2395390
>But to the proletarian and peasant from a stagnant interwar economy joining the state that just performed a qualitative leap from a peasant shithole to one of the foremost industrial powers is a no-brainer.
Except the interwar Baltics were richer and more developed generally speaking than the USSR. All evidence generally points to that. Even under the Soviets, the Baltics were net contributors to the Soviet GDP.

There’s no gaslighting going on here since all the evidence points to that

>>2395391
Spain stayed out of WW2 despite being vehemently anti communist. Your argument that the Butthurt Belters had no choice is simply wrong and part of the historical falsification being pushed in Eastern Europe to pretend like they did nothing wrong but were oppressed by "twin totalitarianisms".

as a pre brest litovsk left communist critical support to the ussr for abolishing so many petty bourgeois nation states

>>2395394
And the nationalistic-minded peasantry (which made up the majority of the working class in the Baltics) obviously wouldnt want to join a state which to them was synonymous with the Russian Empire. To the peasants in the Baltics, the USSR was not a workers paradise where everyone was welcome, but simply another Russian chauvinist entity with a new lick of paint. That obviously wasn’t the whole truth under Lenin, but under Stalin that was a little more debatable.

>>2395395
They couldn’t stay out of WW2 because by the time operation Barbarossa happened they were all annexed into the USSR. Before that however, all 3 states did aim to be neutral in WW2 so your point is quite literally false.

>>2395398
However, ignoring all of that, what would the purpose of moving Russians into the Baltics have even been?

>>2395394
Higher GDP isn't the relevant factor. The relevant factor is the ability to solve problems and move forward as a society. Modern China still has rather average GDP per capita, yet there is no shortage of people who recognize their achievements and want to adopt their ways all over the world. As you yourself said, the Soviet government had no interest in negatively affecting Baltic republics' development.
In any case, I don't want people to entertain your delusions any longer than necessary. One of the most basic ideas in materialism is that theory should be supported by practice. The practice of "independent" Baltic states is severe industrial degradation, quick demographic decline and deliberate sacrifice of public safety for benefit of western capital, as well as support for all the most reactionary causes like Zionism, Islamist Syria, and so on.

>>2395408
So the colonisation of Africa by the Europeans was fine because they built stuff?

>won't somebody please think of the bourgeoisie nazi collaborator states?!??
Lmao

>>2395413
The point of colonization is robbery of colonized peoples. It hurts the people and distorts economies into dependent monocropping ones. All infrastructure built by colonizers serves this purpose. This is the west's intention with Eastern Europe, they say this very openly with their "rare minerals deals". Soviet infrastructure was modern and far more diversified than any capitalist state in the region today, there is no equivalent of the largest textile factory in the world in the Baltic region today. You yourself pointed out that Baltic republics remained richer than other Soviet republics, the same clearly can't be said of India or any other colonized nations that were, in fact, richer than England for most of history.

>>2395391
You are 99% wrong but it is chauvinist to blame balt workers themselves since they are currently occupied by NATO. There isn't really much choice when you are a vassal ruled over by CIA puppets that get trained at Harvard and Georgetown and control your school curriculum textbook printers internet media banks and industry that falsify history and promote fascist apologism.

>>2285981
>don’t think communism as an end goal project can be achieved without the full end of imperialism
>communism as an end goal
Infantile councilcuck. I quotemog you.

>>2288175
>>2288539
For anyone claiming “Marxism-Leninism” (made up bullshit ideology at this point) isn’t Third Worldism, that’s a load of fuckin nonsense lmao

Sorry but MLoidism stopped being a remotely coherent falsification of the world (ie: ideology) since the main funnel for radicalizing you suburban white kids became podcasters, influencers, forums, and the internet at large. MLs ceased having coherent political beliefs a long time ago. MLS happily collapse all their Marxist critics into a single strawman in their mind, and similarly collapse all the leaders they idolize, who tend to be anyone to have headed a one party soviet aligned state at any point, as well, even if said leaders had extremely fractious feuds between each other. There is no point distinguishing an “ML” from a “third worldist” when both are labels that signify not much of anything. Both sides have an absurd performative hatred for “westoids”. Both functionally adhere to three worlds theory and a national-centric understanding of world politics. Both openly define socialism as when your government is ruled by a communist party. Both worship the same figureheads by now. Functionally there is no difference because MLs themselves do not have coherent beliefs and will promote Marx in one breath and the Prophet Muhammad in the next.

>>2395371
> The USSR went from a feudal medieval shithole to sending people to space in about 40 years and making almost all population literate.
Amazing, Japan AES as well, went from feudal shithole to world power that could compete with the Western Imperialists and form the anti-imperialist East Asian Co-Prosperity sphere in the same time frame the USSR managed to, it took an alliance of all of the Asian and European compradors and America together to stop Japanese and German AES!
> They successfully established a dictatorship of the proletariat. The USSR instilled absolute TERROR among the Western oligarchs and fearing a world revolution they created the welfare state.
Based, stabilizing western capitalist society is one of the greatest achievements of AES, alongside declaring socialism to be when you say you are socialist!
Never forget to credit AES Germany as well, for creating the conditions for the anti-fascist popular front and bankrupting the world spanning British and French colonial empires!

Remember, socialism is when wage labor, (small scale of course!) private property, 12 hour work shifts, industry, nukes, and welfare, genius! That nigha Bernstein really had it all figured out! Socialism is when:

Social ~<democracy~~!
Mass murder!
One Party rule!
> In 1991 shortly before it was dissolved (which was actually an illegal coup d'état) almost 80% of Soviets wanted it to remain.
Crazy that the mass bulk of proletarians, literally the vast majority, couldn’t affect that decision in a socialist society wherein they held the power! Must have been some Jew’s fault one of the Terrible Men of History (enemies to the Great Men!)
> Only Marxism-Leninism has worked, what have the anarkiddies achieved?
Worked so well that the vast majority of ML regimes openly destroyed themselves against the (alleged) will of the masses who (allegedly) held the power over the state specifically so said national republics could benefit from the free flow of commodities and capital from the Western bloc, including Moscow itself?

>>2396049
im very sorry that you are illiterate it must be a challenging life

>>2395322
That's what nihilism is all about. It's about opposing the life goals set by those in authority, in an anti-political way.

>>2396086
>Amazing, Japan AES as well, went from feudal shithole to world power that could compete with the Western Imperialists and form the anti-imperialist East Asian Co-Prosperity sphere in the same time frame the USSR managed to

And in 1905, was it feudal Japan that won against Imperial Russia?

>>2396049
>For anyone claiming “Marxism-Leninism” (made up bullshit ideology at this point) isn’t Third Worldism, that’s a load of fuckin nonsense lmao
You are so fucking retarded dude, are you not embarrassed writing this slop?

>Muh MLism is about "white" people just watching podcasts/YouTubers
Boooooring, get new material please I beg you. Please for the love of god stop basing your political views on which YouTubers people watch or which subreddits they browse. Can you possibly engage with actual arguments instead of this baseless projection and psychoanalysis?

>Why don't you hate socialist states/demonize its leaders?? You're not a real socialist like me because you don't despise anything and everything to do with the ussr and Marxism Leninism.
God it's so boring and predictable your retardation. Honestly, please kill yourself dude, you'd be doing us all a favor

The term you're looking for btw is "campist" , not third worldist lmao

>>2396086
>Aes is when Japan starts a colonial empire based on European capitalism. The development USSR and imperial japan are literally the same thing
Historical development understander has logged in I see

>Socialism is when states can't have nukes
Lmao

>The USSR fell, therefore it's completely worthless and should be demonized even more than it already was when it was around. Me not understanding the forces that led to it's fall must mean everyone else believes in great man theory
Don't you ever get tired of hating on socialist states?

>Worked so well that the vast majority of ML regimes openly destroyed themselves against the (alleged) will of the masses who (allegedly) held the power over the state specifically so said national republics could benefit from the free flow of commodities and capital from the Western bloc, including Moscow itself?
Despite that, it's still more and higher achievements than anything you could possibly present. Probably why you sound so resentful of them, because they actually achieved something and you actually achieve less than nothing

>>2396049
You're confusing terminally online Dengists with MLs
The terminally online Dengists have no coherent ideology

>>2357645
He's right though. The rise of Bordigists online can definitely be felt. As we speak, the notion of "left unity" is being destroyed on leftypol, in no small part thanks to them, who have no qualms with dismantling "leftism".

they aren't even leftcoms lol. its just anarchists who got bullied into changing their identity

>>2397235
>implying
Libcom.org readers did not discover Bordiga yesterday. Unless you're talking about Agent Kochinskiites, in which case, does it make any sense to you that they would flip from fetishizing bourgeois democracy to stanning for the anti-democracy autist.

>>2397541
>>2396868
All twelve of them