If you 'denounce' the historical real socialism that existed and exists, you can't be a communist.
>but those were not real communismReal communism is the
movement which abolishes the current state of things (private property the alienation of species-being) and it is the expansion of worker association to international terms. To think 'communism' can be reduced to just a single historical
act is silly. It is, after all, a process. Real socialism was one such historical act in a chain of many to come.
>okay, they are communist, but they are totalitarian! They are authoritarian!Those are empty words liberal ideolouges use to justify equating the Soviet anti-colonial socialist project and the Nazifascistic colonial Lebensraum project, to keep the
status quo of liberal representative democracy as the 'only democratic nonauthoritarian' society.
>what do you mean the soviet project is an anti-colonial project?https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/may/18.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/may/07b.htm>I… I didn't know. I'm sorry. I will now study the history of the Soviet Union and build an antiimperialist socialist project on the Marxist-Leninist tradition. I will support the anti-colonial Palestinian people's struggle. I will globalize the intifada.And you will defend the People's Republics of China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Belarus and the DPRK. You will study Cuban agroecology and you will learn to live with nature. You will have Chinese high speed rails and high quality Belarusian agricultural machinery. You will be happy.
Any questions?
>>2290705>Their big heroes Statin and Mao actively worked against and sabotaged other nation's communist movements out of chauvinism and nationalismhow about you actually read what Lenin and Stalin had to say about the national question and chauvinism?
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm>and their messiah Lenin instituted a monumental terror surmounted only by his successorrevolutionary terror is good actually
>>2337210OOOOOOhhhh AAAAAhhh
I'm renoooouncing
Repent! Repent!
Shame! Shame! Shame!
>>2284454Would the real movement please stand
please stand up
>real socialism is a bourgeois dictatorship where the ruling class owns most of the capitalAnd that's the best of cases. Most of them are just straight liberalism with a (even more) blatantly corrupt government, like Vietnam or China
Just give me straight liberalism in that case, not that mockery that insults my intelligence. You can go to the DPRK if you believe in it that much, but you never will.
>>2288103>It's because 99% of them are white Americans kids. Overwhelmingly middle class. Aged 18-30. Privileged background, university educated, isolated from reality. They all browse r/TheDeprogram, love Hakim, BadEmpanada and Hasan, and get their understanding of Communism from Twitch and video essays and have never read Capital. I don't care if someone calls that idpol because that's dead-on for every ML I've seen in real life. It's just missing the part where they dream of roping their friends into petit-bourgeois homesteading or some other business venture.
>>2284340Even if they didn't achieve "real communism" or "real socialism"- neither of these systems can be fully realised until the entire capitalist world system is dismantled and destroyed. That doesn't mean we dismiss socialist experiments or self-described socialist countries be it Cuba, Vietnam, DAANES, DPRK, EZLN Chiappas, or China.
Their government models and economies are preferable to the hellholes of the United States and Britain.
>>2346337Because he’s a fascist
Don’t entertain most of the people on this site
Never prevaricate on someone who needs to be shot and left to die
>>2346354Nah, instead I will absolutely hope your mom walks in to find you bleeding out dead one day
The Proletarian Revolution would be accomplished in a week if every deng beetle had his head nailed to a wall
>>2346767>we>we>we>actively workMay I see it
This work localized entirely within your bedroom
Good joke if joke
>>2346767>The working class of the world will eventually begin the REAL MOVEMENT towards communismThese people actually think they're communists and they don't even think the real movement has begun yet lmaooooo. There's literally nothing they can point to as being or having been the real movement. They constructed a preconceived notion of the real movement and are now waiting for reality to meet those preconceived qualifiers
Eternally checklist brained
>>2346802It's at the core a complete inversion, isn't it?
The
real movement is actually the fictional movement of the future and what is really happening in
reality is all just to be denounced and whatever. Else you are not a
real communist (lol)
I'm starting to think these people haven't ever actually read Marx.
>>2346808Very true, like it's such basic shit, you can get a decent understanding of it just from reading the communist manifesto or principles of communism. But they're so cocky and self assured of their own view lol.
>>2346811Yeah it's also why they generally hold no actual ideological line themselves, their whole view of socialism is based on inversion/reaction to communism and if they were to actually upheld a line, it wouldn't be that anymore, they'd have to actually stand FOR something
>>2346912I remember it too but not what thread it was. They all blend into each other.
The arguments laid out don't change, not substantially, not even minimally.
Many people are saying it. Actually that is untrue, yes I did coin that phrase.
>>2347075And for the “do somethingners” it all amounts to joining a revisionist party in the USA (all large ones) and then doing useless protests and “coalition building” (NGO work with other NGO) to promote their own party material. No real links with the working class. That’s why all these parties have existed for years and every imperialist intervention is the same boring nothing statements and peaceful protest
Any real small surge of revolutionary energy (early George Floyd, Chicano-led anti-ICE protests) always quickly get enveloped into working with DSA/PSL (or dare I say, ACP 🤣) who exist to co-opt and contain any energy into mass actions at empty city halls and parades through police sanctioned areas lmao
>>2347864Reminds me of the Goebbels cartoon
Billions, trillions, gazillions
Boom-crack-raah
Yeah, about what I expected.
We are anomalous, expect us etc.
>>2347886You people are the amerikkkan reddit brigade
and you insist on projecting this on others
constantly
instead of ever picking up a book, changing, growing.
>>2347864>There are already hundreds of thousands of us all over the worldCan I see them? Where's their party?
>We have people in Iran and US, China and India, Brazil and Japan. We are everywhere.lmao
>The real movement has been building up as capitalism comes to yet another crises. >Just one more crisis bro, then our sect will take state power for sure. The name of our party?? Ehm uhhh ahhh, don't worry about that dude
>In fact our online presence is tiny and yet we already live rent free in the minds of millions of leftoids.This is such an embarrassing cope. Literally nobody thinks about you lil bro, nobody even knows you exist or what your movement is. You can't even name an org, let alone a line you uphold, you have nothing
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