/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The orthodox doctrine on governance is literally to cuck out to any government that is ruling over you. Vanguard? Lmao.

>>2289269
Now of course it's like that, like all legalized communist parties btw. But at first it wasn't like that, there was struggle.

>>2289267
I mean lifestyle anarchism is a religion but social anarchism/Marxism doesn't really have any moral system other than economic self interest of Proletarians

>>2289286
>Marxism doesn't really have any moral system other than economic self interest of Proletarians
Notice that when MLs do try to justify a moral proscription they look to what ML states did at various times. But they did a lot of things that don't have a direct relationship to the ideology, because they needed to boost birth rates or something, and it's hard to find anything really in the ideology itself that tells people how to raise a family or have sex which is what religions are about. Maybe not financially exploit your family members, but otherwise, I struggle to find anything.

>>2289286

*collective economic interest of the proletariat

>>2289365

Dear enemy, I opine that the relative ethical underdetermination of marxism (besides "overthrow capitalism/build socialism") is mainly to do with the fact that Marx & Engels put a lot more effort into the "descriptive" aspect of their worldview.

To some degree they even argued that it wouldn't be possible to provide more than a broad sketch of what socialism should look like.

This in large part is what allows to be such profound enemies despite both being students of marxism. We may both desire socialism, but the ultimate aims that we wish for socialism to achieve are fundamentally irreconcilable.