/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Nothing wrong with doing your best to survive and thrive, it’s just not a political solution for the fact that not everyone can succeed under capitalism, because a million dollars in your bank account are a million individual dollars that can’t belong to anyone else. To amass a lot, others have to have little.

>>2290347
because petty bourgeiois economic relationships instill petty bourgeiois class character, which alienates us from the proletariat. also if we did actually do that you'd be bitching about how we dont follow "real communism"

I agree, capitalism had long ago reached the ponzi scam stage, where the best way to destroy the system is to participate in all cutting edge sectors.

>>2290359
a million dollars in your bank account are a million dollars you can spend how you see fit
>>2290360
real communism isn't possible anytime soon
>>2290361
based, you'll be well positioned for when it collapses

if i work minimum wage, what can i do to please your request?

>>2290365
Don't shut down entrepreneurship and innovation in this space, unless it's like someone on a multimillionaire level doing nothing with their monies

Also look into how you can extract money from capitalist system, preferably from businesses

>>2290347
Maybe because exploiting people is bad actually and completely unsustainable.

Anarchocapitalism is probably the most revolutionary path available, it will utterly destroy capitalism

You have to participate in capitalism to survive unless you become like a homesteader (and even then you are still probably depending on capitalism). It's not praxis or anything. I think the main criticism has been from people calling out people who think buying Che shirts or whatever is fighting captialism, which it's not. The problem is that this has mutated into thinking that any participation in capitalism is bad. That's a distinctly anti-Marxist take because it is precisely one's role as a proletarian (i.e. participating in capitalism as worker) that predisposes one to revolution.

>>2290374
I'm not talking about spinning up a sweatshop here

>>2290374
capitalism has proved to be more sustainable than communism

>>2290386
>Crypto
Where do you think all of this stuff comes from man? This is the worst bait thread ever.
>>2290388
Prove it, communism has never happened.

>>2290394
>anti-crypto
Shoo, banker
>>2290384
>That's a distinctly anti-Marxist take
Truthnuke

>>2290395
Funny how the only argument you have is name calling.

You sound more dengist than ancap

>>2290409
I mean deng isn't worse than mao

>entrepreneurship is super shunned even though it's the fastest way to get rich
Neoliberalism.txt, you will never escape the Matrix, you are a slave to capital
>using crypto to escape bank cabals
You are literally aligned with all of Jeffrey Epstein's friends, these low autism score radlibs are so pretentious lol
>without any threat of getting cancelled.
Andrew Tate NPCs who look like AI slop: "why do women keep calling me a 'soulless degenerate'???"

>>2290347
They aren’t, all the most popular leftist tendencies, from anarchists to MLs, tend to promote some form of perpetuating the capital system for various moralist justifications in doing so

I’d say it’s harder to find a staunch anticapitalist than someone willing to perpetuate aspects of the system

>>2290360
>petty bourgeiois economic relationships instill petty bourgeiois class character
generally true, but not for everyone - just takes some self-awareness and conscious effort

>which alienates us from the proletariat
That's already happened lol

The proletariat that currently exists is inherently reactionary, and very retarded. We have no proof that he can even be changed yet, since every attempt to create the "new socialist man" so far has failed. Change will happen with or without them

>a million dollars in your bank account are a million individual dollars that can’t belong to anyone else
They literally can and do when you spend them, presumably on your cause.

>To amass a lot, others have to have little.
Meh, for now.

Would cause me suffering, do not want.

>>2290347
For half of them it's poverty worship. Meaning they have the capacity to get rich as hell but don't want to due to some weird christian morality they internalised or because it will make them loose their Radicool cred (gay).

>>2290395
I'd say the left is really obsessed with moralizing. "You're a bad person, I'm a good person." One important thing which makes Marxism interesting and distinct from other forms of socialism is that it eschews moralism about individuals for surviving under capitalism (not that self-described Marxists can't do this) like, using Amazon, having a job, running a small business. Capitalism is a mode of production and a totalizing system that compels everybody to "participate" in it in some form or another. Marx called this the "dull compulsion of economic relations."

One of the implications is that you also can't change the relations of production by your personal consumption choices.

Like you said, "using crypto to escape bank cabals?" I have a little bit too and play around with it. But you're not exactly resisting capitalism by engaging in… financial speculation. You know what I mean? I don't know if I'd necessarily say it's "on the right" but there's a lot of similarly paradoxical "Che t-shirt" stuff that is marketed to the survivalist types where people are being sold stuff to help them escape "the system" (of production). The irony is their survival depends on a mode of production and factories and electricity which makes all their survival stuff.

>>2290347
I don't know what you're talking about, we're all fans of gambling and China here. It's an invariant tradition stemming from Marx himself to even the worst of his admirers that we beg for money to gamble away and put into stocks. WallStreetBets was a side project to Leftypol as a successor to the Occupy Wall Street protests. FYI Leftism refers to the Left of Capital or Left wing of Capital that's why this site is called leftypol.
>So what exactly distinguishes you from classical liberals, ancraps, lolberts and the bourgeoisie you claim to hate?
Nothing? We're controlled opposition that traces its origins in the french bourgeois where the republicans (bourgeois) sat on the left side while the monarchists (feudals or bourgeoisie or something) sat on the right, ever since then liberals (synonymous with leftists) have screeched that they were actually the historically progressives so all historically progressive ideologies should call themselves leftist too! So TLDR we live in a Lasalle-Keynes and a Hayek-Mises world and we're all trade partners for collaboration between classes when business is good (becoming one through corporatism Il Duce ᴉuᴉlossnW).
If you're looking for communists you should read Bordiga and talk to the leftovers of the Internationalist Communist Party that are suffering splits, you can find them on r/UltraLeft, they're too small and insignificant to do anything, but their prophet A.B. has told them that the party will be small and pass down its untainted pure invariant doctrine that will be used when the historical situation is suitable and everyone will flock to them for answers (delusional).
Instead of interacting with "tHe rEaL MoVeMeNt", why not interact with actually existing socialism and dickride China, islamic jihadists, christian socialism, and Russian conservatives with us? If you don't dickride them you're probably ukrainian CIA zionist or something.
>Why do you guys gamble instead of invest in muh free market like smart business oompa loompas????
Because we've got nothing left to lose and everything to win or something, the Marx quote, the Marx quote. Its too difficult and you have to have connections to important people and shiz you dumb uyghur, did you know that the ukraine war general is like a bloomberg terminal for betting on war gains? No joke you can bet on political happenings, like you can literally bet on predictions on if Pakistan and India go to war and win money, I won't tell you where because I forgot too, I'm too busy with poker. Wanna play poker with me? Come on pokrenow
https://www.pokernow.club/games/pglUQqfuh3GGQgdj0OGTAa0Yu

>>2290749
>did you know that the ukraine war general is like a bloomberg terminal for betting on war gains? No joke you can bet on political happenings, like you can literally bet on predictions on if Pakistan and India go to war and win money, I won't tell you where because I forgot too,
Nevermind I remembered, its been awhile since I bet on there
https://polymarket.com/
I lost like 3,000$ on a ceasefire bet so I moved back to poker after putting my dog on a mortgage

>>2290749
Nobody's joining my link, I'm closing the game, it's been 5 minutes, time is money. Of the world unite.

<most people don’t succeed at capitalism
>hurrr why are leftists reflective of the population
OP is retarded.

>>2290749
>we're all fans of gambling and China here.
There's these losers called naxals or whatever which are betting against China on US stocks, don't bother me with anymore questions, anyone can bet on anything I don't give a fuck about your labels mkay?

>I know there's a literal shop thread pinned (based), but generally entrepreneurship is super shunned even though it's the fastest way to get rich.

The fastest way to get rich is inheritance. Entrepreneurship is the fastest way to get poor, lmao. You don't tend to hang around with a lot of entrepreneurs apparently because if you did you would know that most business ventures fail and if you don't have a rich daddy to be your soft cushion you will be debt-trapped until the rest of your life.

>>2290755
>I lost like 3,000$ on a ceasefire bet so I moved back to poker after putting my dog on a mortgage
Ceasefire markets are really hazardous. There's apparently some Israeli insider who bets on "will Israel strike Yemen by Friday" markets, like the planes are taking off and he drops thousands on it.

I made a decent amount getting in on Mark Carney just as he started surging and that sissy India/Pakistan "war" where I played both ends of it.

Haven't found any good stuff since then though. But AOC also endorsing Zohran is like 73c yes, which seems underpriced.

I am actually loaded, thanks to my good investments

Marx literally speculated on the stock market you mong

>>2290364
>real communism isn't possible anytime soon
no, it is very well possible. it was possible, like, in the 1870s. it's more than possible now, lol. kys anticommunist retard

>Perhaps it's wrong to make these assumptions about leftypol and culture there is different
Def. I work in a company on the top 100 of Forbes Global 2000, get paid 6 digits and I'm a union organizer. Money is power, and communists didn't get powerful by sitting around and starving.
Still young and no trust fund dosh so CPUSAnon and some others will have more money at hand than me, but I'm like top 10% because of my employment. Noitice I didn't use the word 'work'. I shitpost, produce and rally on company time, vidrel.
I contribute to the salaries of professional revolutionaries.

>>2291253
you're in a very lucky position anon I hope you know that. a six figure job without doing any real work like what that's insane

>>2290374
>soviet flag
>says this nonsense
ULTRAS FEAR THE SCROLL

Entrepreneurship is not inconsistent with communism, in What is to be Done, Lenin advocated the running of small businesses by party members, such as gun ranges.
Does anyone remember that quote? I remember it but couldn't find it.

>>2291279
Wrong. His position is leech on the proletariat. He is bourgeois reactionary trade unionist monopolist exploiter imperialist. The monopolies supported, by the reactionary trade union leaders seek to lower the workers' real wages through "freezing" nominal wages, i.e., preventing them from rising in conditions in which inflation prevails and the burden of taxation is growing.
>>2291253

>>2291348
i think it totally depends what his job is

>>2291353
Wrong. It doesnt matter ehat proles he represents. This >>2291253 right wing unionist is legitimate millitary target for enforcing and profiting from the bourgeoisie's NLRB act to decieve proles

>>2291279
I am in a very lucky position, and I'm reminded of it often. Even coworkers who make similar or more money show me that - some of them are still renting. I'm not exactly in a bullshit job, I do perform specialist work that needs to be done (for the company, and debatably for society) but the nature of the work means it's similar to being on call, like being an anesthetist in a town where only four people a week require it.
I know people have a cry about 'privilege' and that I can easily point to so many people immediately around me who make more money, spend more money, had rich(er) parents, do less work, whatever, but the bottom line is I am a privileged little shit who fell, by both crazy luck and privilege, into an excellent position. I'm not particularly rich in the grand scheme of richness, I'm not Pineapple Fund, but ultimately I make more money than I want to spend. In this position, it's hard not to either feel guilt or build up coping mechanisms, and I'm not saying that in some 'woe is me' way, but pointing out the mindset that comes with unearned wealth.
forgot to mention, it's not six figures USD after tax, my country goes hard on tax. It's still a ton of money, just giving a sense of scale

>>2291355
>>2291348
You are vermin, you deserve annihilation

Daily reminder that Engels was a legitimate military target and Marx should have raped him.

>>2291357
well, with some smart budgeting you could finance some actual revolutionary activities. ive always thought about what id do with a ton of cash I couldn't get rid of. the first thing id do is set up a network of safe houses in the woods stocked with a cache of supplies if things ever got serious

>>2291348
>His
Cis woman btw.

>>2291380
>the first thing id do is set up a network of safe houses in the woods stocked with a cache of supplies if things ever got serious
hah, I think my country is still in the newspaper stage of revolution, so that wouldn't be first on my list. Comrades here are more in need of legal fees than places to hide.

I plan to get decent at art and do commissions and maybe a youtube brainrot channel.

>>2291292
nuh uh

>>2291355
>>2291353
you are a known pedophile, get the fuck out.

>>2291358
You are vermin. Get a job
>>2291426
You are common pedophile zionist liberal

>>2291509
apply these insults to yourself, and stop posting on this website

>>2291393
youll get raped by AI
>>2291357
>it's not six figures USD after tax
So global upper middle class. If you can keep your head above the water that doesn't mean you're flying, catch my drift?

>>2291512
Sorry chud. I wont let pedophile liberal zionists tell me what to do. I will allow these same few intellectual lumpens to continue hurling their hollow insults and continue digging deeper their grave of parasocial antagonism rather than build an argument because we know from their brilliant arguementative posts these people are not bad faith liberal zionists who are more than capable of doing so

>>2290815
>>2291253
based I love finance savvy leftists

>>2291426
Reply to me you pedophile zionist liberal commie tr­oon blackie.

the fuck is going on in my thread

>>2291735
This has always been my thread.

>entrepreneurship is super shunned even though it's the fastest way to get rich
Not the fastest nor even the most efficient way to get rich, lolitard. Inheritance, parasitism and outright robbery are even faster than honest work to the point you will need a police state to enforce your lolitardation, lolitard.
>You're using crypto to escape bank cabals? Bad, bad crypto bro.
Yes, entrepreneurship is scam artistry and confidence trickery. I am glad the lolitard comes out to admit this.
>10x your productivity
>with AI
To be productive, you need to produce things. LLMs do not produce anything, nor do entrepreneurs or any sort produce anything, just derive.
>corporations rabidly pour money into AI research without any threat of getting cancelled
Rich people pour money into abjectly fucktarded shit due to trendfaggotry all the time. Artificial zero intelligence processes which 'AI' software is based on are intelligence for retards like you, of course, because you are a retard with a single-digit autism score. You are a pebble, intellectually speaking, and you demonstrate that perfectly with this thread.

Can you fucking uyghurs stop lying for one fucking OP?

>>2290347
First of all, we have no choice but to participate
Second, starting a business is NOT the fastest way to get rich at all wtf that's scams, grifts and succesfully playing the crypto/stock roullette
Third, refusing to use AI is laughable and lefties who cry about it can cry all they want it's not going anywhere. I'd go as far to say that they are pseudo-reactionary
Fourth, collective worker ownership is a socialist way to run a business in capitalist system
>>2290749
Is post serious?