I know there's a literal shop thread pinned (based), but generally entrepreneurship is super shunned even though it's the fastest way to get rich and have at least some degree of influence in this world. You're using crypto to escape bank cabals? Bad, bad crypto bro. Trying to 10x your productivity with AI? Very very bad AI bro, pick up the pen and keep your head low while corporations rabidly pour money into AI research without any threat of getting cancelled.
Perhaps it's wrong to make these assumptions about leftypol and culture there is different, but mainstream left is just obsessed with nerfing itself and putting down its members like a crab bucket.
>>2290359a million dollars in your bank account are a million dollars you can spend how you see fit
>>2290360real communism isn't possible anytime soon
>>2290361based, you'll be well positioned for when it collapses
>>2290365Don't shut down entrepreneurship and innovation in this space, unless it's like someone on a multimillionaire level doing nothing with their monies
Also look into how you can extract money from capitalist system, preferably from businesses
>>2290386>CryptoWhere do you think all of this stuff comes from man? This is the worst bait thread ever.
>>2290388Prove it, communism has never happened.
>>2290394>anti-cryptoShoo, banker
>>2290384>That's a distinctly anti-Marxist takeTruthnuke
>>2290347They aren’t, all the most popular leftist tendencies, from anarchists to MLs, tend to promote some form of perpetuating the capital system for various moralist justifications in doing so
I’d say it’s harder to find a staunch anticapitalist than someone willing to perpetuate aspects of the system
>>2290360>petty bourgeiois economic relationships instill petty bourgeiois class charactergenerally true, but not for everyone - just takes some self-awareness and conscious effort
>which alienates us from the proletariatThat's already happened lol
The proletariat that currently exists is inherently reactionary, and very retarded. We have no proof that he can even be changed yet, since every attempt to create the "new socialist man" so far has failed.
Change will happen with or without them
>a million dollars in your bank account are a million individual dollars that can’t belong to anyone elseThey literally can and do when you spend them, presumably on your cause.
>To amass a lot, others have to have little.Meh, for now.
>>2290395I'd say the left is really obsessed with moralizing. "You're a bad person, I'm a good person." One important thing which makes Marxism interesting and distinct from other forms of socialism is that it eschews moralism about individuals for surviving under capitalism (not that self-described Marxists can't do this) like, using Amazon, having a job, running a small business. Capitalism is a mode of production and a totalizing system that compels everybody to "participate" in it in some form or another. Marx called this the "dull compulsion of economic relations."
One of the implications is that you also can't change the relations of production by your personal consumption choices.
Like you said, "using crypto to escape bank cabals?" I have a little bit too and play around with it. But you're not exactly resisting capitalism by engaging in… financial speculation. You know what I mean? I don't know if I'd necessarily say it's "on the right" but there's a lot of similarly paradoxical "Che t-shirt" stuff that is marketed to the survivalist types where people are being sold stuff to help them escape "the system" (of production). The irony is their survival depends on a mode of production and factories and electricity which makes all their survival stuff.
>>2290347I don't know what you're talking about, we're all fans of gambling and China here. It's an invariant tradition stemming from Marx himself to even the worst of his admirers that we beg for money to gamble away and put into stocks. WallStreetBets was a side project to Leftypol as a successor to the Occupy Wall Street protests. FYI Leftism refers to the Left of Capital or Left wing of Capital that's why this site is called leftypol.
>So what exactly distinguishes you from classical liberals, ancraps, lolberts and the bourgeoisie you claim to hate?Nothing? We're controlled opposition that traces its origins in the french bourgeois where the republicans (bourgeois) sat on the left side while the monarchists (feudals or bourgeoisie or something) sat on the right, ever since then liberals (synonymous with leftists) have screeched that they were actually the historically progressives so all historically progressive ideologies should call themselves leftist too! So TLDR we live in a Lasalle-Keynes and a Hayek-Mises world and we're all trade partners for collaboration between classes when business is good (becoming one through corporatism Il Duce ᴉuᴉlossnW).
If you're looking for communists you should read Bordiga and talk to the leftovers of the Internationalist Communist Party that are suffering splits, you can find them on r/UltraLeft, they're too small and insignificant to do anything, but their prophet A.B. has told them that the party will be small and pass down its untainted pure invariant doctrine that will be used when the historical situation is suitable and everyone will flock to them for answers (delusional).
Instead of interacting with "tHe rEaL MoVeMeNt", why not interact with actually existing socialism and dickride China, islamic jihadists, christian socialism, and Russian conservatives with us? If you don't dickride them you're probably ukrainian CIA zionist or something.
>Why do you guys gamble instead of invest in muh free market like smart business oompa loompas????Because we've got nothing left to lose and everything to win or something, the Marx quote, the Marx quote. Its too difficult and you have to have connections to important people and shiz you dumb uyghur, did you know that the ukraine war general is like a bloomberg terminal for betting on war gains? No joke you can bet on political happenings, like you can literally bet on predictions on if Pakistan and India go to war and win money, I won't tell you where because I forgot too, I'm too busy with poker. Wanna play poker with me? Come on pokrenow
https://www.pokernow.club/games/pglUQqfuh3GGQgdj0OGTAa0Yu >>2290749>did you know that the ukraine war general is like a bloomberg terminal for betting on war gains? No joke you can bet on political happenings, like you can literally bet on predictions on if Pakistan and India go to war and win money, I won't tell you where because I forgot too, Nevermind I remembered, its been awhile since I bet on there
https://polymarket.com/I lost like 3,000$ on a ceasefire bet so I moved back to poker after putting my dog on a mortgage
>>2290755>I lost like 3,000$ on a ceasefire bet so I moved back to poker after putting my dog on a mortgageCeasefire markets are really hazardous. There's apparently some Israeli insider who bets on "will Israel strike Yemen by Friday" markets, like the planes are taking off and he drops thousands on it.
I made a decent amount getting in on Mark Carney just as he started surging and that sissy India/Pakistan "war" where I played both ends of it.
Haven't found any good stuff since then though. But AOC also endorsing Zohran is like 73c yes, which seems underpriced.
>>2291353Wrong. It doesnt matter ehat proles he represents. This
>>2291253 right wing unionist is legitimate millitary target for enforcing and profiting from the bourgeoisie's NLRB act to decieve proles
>>2291279I am in a
very lucky position, and I'm reminded of it often. Even coworkers who make similar or more money show me that - some of them are still renting. I'm not exactly in a bullshit job, I do perform specialist work that needs to be done (for the company, and debatably for society) but the nature of the work means it's similar to being on call, like being an anesthetist in a town where only four people a week require it.
I know people have a cry about 'privilege' and that I can easily point to so many people immediately around me who make more money, spend more money, had rich(er) parents, do less work, whatever, but the bottom line is I am a privileged little shit who fell, by both crazy luck
and privilege, into an excellent position. I'm not particularly rich in the grand scheme of richness, I'm not Pineapple Fund, but ultimately I make more money than I want to spend. In this position, it's hard not to either feel guilt or build up coping mechanisms, and I'm not saying that in some 'woe is me' way, but pointing out the mindset that comes with unearned wealth.
forgot to mention, it's not six figures USD after tax, my country goes hard on tax. It's still a ton of money, just giving a sense of scale >>2291358You are vermin. Get a job
>>2291426You are common pedophile zionist liberal
>>2291393youll get raped by AI
>>2291357>it's not six figures USD after taxSo global upper middle class. If you can keep your head above the water that doesn't mean you're flying, catch my drift?
>entrepreneurship is super shunned even though it's the fastest way to get rich
Not the fastest nor even the most efficient way to get rich, lolitard. Inheritance, parasitism and outright robbery are even faster than honest work to the point you will need a police state to enforce your lolitardation, lolitard.
>You're using crypto to escape bank cabals? Bad, bad crypto bro.
Yes, entrepreneurship is scam artistry and confidence trickery. I am glad the lolitard comes out to admit this.
>10x your productivity
>with AI
To be productive, you need to produce things. LLMs do not produce anything, nor do entrepreneurs or any sort produce anything, just derive.
>corporations rabidly pour money into AI research without any threat of getting cancelled
Rich people pour money into abjectly fucktarded shit due to trendfaggotry all the time. Artificial zero intelligence processes which 'AI' software is based on are intelligence for retards like you, of course, because you are a retard with a single-digit autism score. You are a pebble, intellectually speaking, and you demonstrate that perfectly with this thread.
Can you fucking uyghurs stop lying for one fucking OP?
>>2290347First of all, we have no choice but to participate
Second, starting a business is NOT the fastest way to get rich at all wtf that's scams, grifts and succesfully playing the crypto/stock roullette
Third, refusing to use AI is laughable and lefties who cry about it can cry all they want it's not going anywhere. I'd go as far to say that they are pseudo-reactionary
Fourth, collective worker ownership is a socialist way to run a business in capitalist system
>>2290749Is post serious?
As for me, I personally am not an "entrepeneur" because, in my country, being a labor aristocrat is much safer than being a petit bourgeois. Petit bourgeois culture here is partaking in a bunch of useless ponzi scheme startups and, if you fail (and failing is very easy, the norm even), you're back to square one with no practical skills, no education etc. Meanwhile, a labor aristocrat will still have solid technical education and work experience after losing their job, so getting your income back after a mishap is much more manageable.
As a member of the middle class, I've seen a ton of people trying to become "entrepeneurs" (small business owners) and they always crumble, having that period of time as a large waste of life. No thanks.
>>2303628It's not impossible for someone with bourgeois class interests to have a proletarian conscious, but it's rare, and heavily disincentivised by class interests. Marxists like to say that human nature doesn't exist, and on a metaphysical level, they're absolutely correct. But I don't think it's wrong to say that, as a rule, if you place different people in the same material conditions, most of them are going to act pretty similarly. The more you benefit from the system as it stands, the less likely you're going to be to want to change it. I can say personally that I didn't fully appreciate the class struggle until I was a part of it. My adult life has consisted to me bouncing back and forth between prole and lumpen, and it's made me come to realize both how much I stand to lose at any given moment, and that the bourgeois controls your life at a much deeper, much more insidious level than you think it does. When I was a kid, I took for granted that a job and a home were things you automatically got as an adult. Now that I am an adult, I know better.
In my experience, most bourgeois who participate in revolutionary activity are either petite bourgeois who want small-business friendly demsocism, or cynical opertunists hopeing to escape into the vangard and become heads of state capitalism.
I'm not saying that entrepreneurial activities are always bad, but if you can start anything beyond a side hustle, your class interests are un-proletarian.
>>2303773From what I understand, he was just an unusually empathetic man.
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