/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>support
millions of words wasted on the question of immaterial support (cheerleading) on leftypol dot org

nobody "supports" anyone or anything unless they send weapons and/or money and/or soldiers

>>2297379
it barely matters, especially when said "propaganda" circulates to your audience of less than 500 on an imageboard

>Ba'athist Yahoodiya
لح انيك امك يا عرص يا تربية هتلر المنيوك

>>2297373
>>2297379
I agree in the sense that if you support any bourgeois state you should be put in a mental asylum and ostracized from civilization let alone be taken seriously in a Marxist circle.

Tell me without resorting to sloganeering how Russia and China are imperialist.

>>2297479
>Russia
lol
>China

https://www.bannedthought.net/International/Red-Path/01/RP-8.5x11-IsChinaAnImperialistCountry-140320.pdf


https://www.bannedthought.net/China/index.htm
The Restoration of Capitalism in China:


https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/roaders/index.htm


https://www.bannedthought.net/China/Maoism/OldCCPMemberResigns-2001.pdf


https://foreignlanguages.press/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/S11-Rethinking-Socialism-4th-Printing.pdf


https://foreignlanguages.press/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/N01-From-Victory-to-Defeat-5th-Printing.pdf


http://digamo.free.fr/minqili08.pdf


http://www.marx2mao.com/Other/TGR90.html


https://en.proletar.ink/on-china.html



https://www.mlmrsg.com/attachments/article/82/IsChinaAnImperialistCountry--Considerations%20and%20Evidence.pdf


https://www.revaim.org/uploads/booklets/China%20-%20A%20Modern%20Social-Imperialist%20Power.pdf


https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/15/china-a-social-imperialist-great-power/


https://josemariasison.org/how-chinese-loans-become-unrepayable/


https://www.redspark.nu/en/imperialist-states/chinese-imperialist-motivations-and-initiatives-in-relation-to-us-and-other-imperialist-powers/



https://nacla.org/blog/2017/08/11/financial-sovereignty-or-new-dependency-how-china-remaking-bolivia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohrrE1rjzLo


http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/03/c_137227231.htm


https://nairametrics.com/2019/11/28/how-the-chinese-are-taking-over-nigerias-economy/


https://www.docdroid.net/NcjcrIm/dining-with-the-tiger-towards-a-critique-pdf


https://qz.com/africa/1863029/chinese-racism-to-nigerians-is-likely-to-end-soon/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmfnGc_x20&


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/15/china-and-14-asia-pacific-countries-agree-historic-free-trade-deal



https://redflaggroup.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/a-criticism-of-the-anticonquista-media-collective/


https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/111/19/6928.full.pdf

>>2297486
>N. B. Turner
Wonderful, can't wait to hear about "Ghost Cities" being proof that the Chinese government has no control over the economy and how Russia repelling an invasion of Dagestan is proof of neocolonialism.

>>2297379
Posting isn't praxis you actual toddler. Get off twitter and touch digital grass.

>>2297473
>I agree with your point anyway let me keep talking about purely hypothetical "support"
then you don't agree and missed the point entirely. let me repeat for the benefit of you:

>support
millions of words wasted on the question of immaterial support (cheerleading) on leftypol dot org

nobody "supports" anyone or anything unless they send weapons and/or money and/or soldiers

The US provides real MATERIAL support to 73 percent of the world's dictatorships (money, guns, troops)

leftypolers run their mouth about immaterial "support" (cheerleading) online all day long

>>2297536
you're shitting your pants. what part of that warrants a counterargument?

>>2297568
muh dick on ur mama

>i hate it when they call it capitalist, imperialist powers fighting each other
>yeah, they're capitalist, imperialist powers but…
Then you just said they're right. Also, maybe stop watching retards on youtube and read even just Lenin. Lenin himself refutes this campist bullshit. No, I won't link it because I know you're an idiot who would rather be a little sheep following bots on the internet than reading something.

>>2297645
but reading is like boring bruh just listen to the deprogram farting into the mic for 2 hours it's all the theory you'll need

>>2297674
When your reading is slop like NB Turner you may as well just be listening to Destiny Livestreams

>>2297679
>NB Turner
Who?
>Destiny livestreams
Who?

Why won't you read Marx & Lenin?

>>2297468
Problem?🤭

>>2297371
Fuck Russia's invasion of Ukraine, fuck the ruling classes of both countries for making proles suffer, and fuck ziggers.

>>2297873
>the framing that conveniently ignores NATO, ignores Donbass, ignores Luhansk and frames it as "Russia vs Ukraine"
really makes u think…

anyway I leave you with famous "zigger" Gaddafi who was killed (also by NATO)

>>2297371
>every power is functionally capitalist whether they admit to it or not
Wrong. Some countries are Communist, like China.

>>2297533
>supporting is nothing
Wrong. The struggle between Communism and capitalism is 100% ideological at this stage because Communism has already won. Slandering Communist states is all the imperialists can do at this point and such ideological attack is no less vicious than ameriKKKa imperialism. So you should have trial for your crimes against Communism

>>2298256
truly free, definitely not artificial nations of donetsk and lugansk

>>2298261
>ignore the remark about NATO
>ignore the Gaddafi video
<make it about how Donetsk and Luhansk are Zigger-Occupied-Governments

Well if you're going to make it about that, and still ignore the imperial entity orchestrating this entire conflict, let's look at the history of Donbass. Donbass historically was part of Russia, the reason it became part of the Ukrainian SSR in 1922 wasn't for ethno-linguistic reasons, but for strategic reasons. Lenin wanted to integrate the Ukrainian agriculture with the Donbass industry. The majority of people living in Donbass spoke Russian and did not have Ukrainian or cossack heritage. Later on Khruschev gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. When the USSR collapsed, Bourgeois Ukraine got to keep the territories it acquired during the USSR's existence. OK fine. Nobody was really bothered by this. However, after the US-backed coup in 2014 that put Poroshenko in power, right wing territorial defense units began shelling donbass, trying to enforce speaking Ukrainian in Donbass, trying to ethnically cleanse non-Ukrainians from Donbass (not just Russians but also Romani people) etc.

This is the real thing that led to Donbass separatist movements. Are those separatist movements receiving help from Russia? Yes. But the Kurds received help from America. Just like it's reductive to reduce Kurdistan to a "US Puppet" because they get help from America, it's reductive to reduce Donetsk and Luhansk to "Russian puppets" because they get help from Russia. They have their own reason for the alliance.

>>2298264
it is an artificial state for the same reasons a german sudeten state in 1930 or a german state in alsace-lorraine would be completely artificial, for example, should we create a far eastern ukraine simply because the people there speak it? should we create a separate russian state in kazakhstan? to compare it to the kurds is disingenuous, and not because the kurds are special but because such a thing is about as artificial as it gets

>>2298280
you can't even respond to the points I'm making. you're just reasserting that it's all "artificial" zigger-puppeteering. Who poured billions into Yeltsin's election campaign and supported him while he shelled soviet holdouts in the Russian parliament? NATO. Who couped Ukraine in 2014? NATO. Who destroyed Yugoslavia? NATO. Who destroyd Libya? NATO. Who destroyed Iraq? NATO. It's a NATO-orchestrated race to the bottom but you ignore NATO and drag out "zigger zigger zigger". NATO is a direct continuation of the anti-comintern pact led by America, but it's even worse because we live in a world without a USSR to counter it. And people look upon this and say "ah but the ziggers"

>>2298284
yeah because i'm not debating you about "le heckin ebil NATO" because i don't really care, yes they're terrible, yet at the same time they are not the sole perpetrator

>>2298284
And putin wanted to join those guys which should cue you in about what the rulling class of Russia wants to do

>>2298286
>ok nato bad but what about le heckin ebil ziggers
NATO put le heckin ebil ziggers in power in the first place and now that they finally stopped laying down for endless NATO expansion and CIA shenanigans since 2022 they want to replace le heckin ebil ziggers with someone even worse. zelenskyy will get his turn too once he's done "defending" ukraine by throwing every military aged male into an avoidable meat grinder and refusing to give up donbass because CIA-backed azovites are holding a gun to his head.

>>2298289
And if NATO got their way they'd replace Putin with someone even worse like Navalny (rest in piss) and the Russian federation with something even worse (like a bunch of ethno states like they did to Yugoslavia). That's the problem. For NATO, the situation will never be reactionary enough.

>>2298291
It doesn't make Russia less imperialist just like Britain and France having empires and mogging Germany didn't make Germany heckin wholesome

>>2298289
>Putin wanted to join those guys
if you say this to unironic NATO defending libs they'll say he was just "calling their bluff" and they'll say the same about the USSR trying to join NATO in 1954. And to an extent that's true. NATO was never going to tolerate the USSR or Russia being a part of it, because that would defeat its purpose. But even so you should keep in mind that NATO's main issue with Putin isn't your issue with Putin. You hate Putin because he's a reactionary conservative bourgeois oligarch. NATO hates Putin because he's not reactionary enough and opposes endless NATO expansion. It's that simple. When are you going to wake up to the fact that calling NATO the Nazi Arming and Training Organization isn't just a Russian meme. It's the truth.

>>2298293
>you're saying Russia is wholesome
no i'm not i'm saying
>>2298296
>you should keep in mind that NATO's main issue with Putin isn't your issue with Putin. You hate Putin because he's a reactionary conservative bourgeois oligarch. NATO hates Putin because he's not reactionary enough and opposes endless NATO expansion.

>>2298296
>NATO was never going to tolerate the USSR or Russia being a part of it
the first part is true, the second is not, fundamentally they would tolerate and let russia into its alliance, the reason they didn't (and don't now) is because it would challenge nato's status as america+, but it is certainly not unreasonable that they would let russia into NATO

>>2298296
>it's all a complicated conspiracy, it's that simple
Yeah no, russia's rulling class is capitalist in an advanced country and they wanted a share of the big boys cake, they couldn't get it this way so here we are

>>2298256
I have seen this video and similar ones posted by Nazis.

It's funny how both the right and left wing of capital still display the same level of orientalism. Searching for eternal wisdom in the speech of a noble savage great man as if it is some kind of authority on anything.

>>2298326
you're to the right of those nazis, congratulations

>>2298327
interesting opinion sanditard, have anything other than vibes to back it up?

>>2297873
fuck you too, democrackka

>>2298327
Sandinistas are retards
your god became a neoliberal
you do not matter

>>2297645

girl idgaf about no Lenin we read Althusser in this bitch

Sage okay? This is a bad thread. Stop baiting and wasting time. Do something for yourself with your limited time, or something

>>2298259

What I meant by that is that every country right now is at the capitalist stage of economic development, China included. Ideologically they are still Marxist

>>2298661
Okay? And? Their party abandoned internationalism, or something. Just leave man