/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2303561
I guess Marx had imagined a world where your entire neighbourhood is your family, and your entire hometown is your extended family (something akin to this was familiar to primitive societies, and was not an alien idea even to pre-capitalist agrarian societies). Every kid with whom you grow up together is your sibling. Every adult with whom you grow up together is your parent or uncle or aunt (emotionally, socially, and legally) as long as they didn't abuse you.

Of course, whenever or not this would come to be in a real communist society is still an open question.

>>2303746
>I challenge OP to cite a single work of Marx where he said "Abolish the family" as a commanding statement or slogan. My guess is there isn't one. Marx talked about how Capitalism upends "motley feudal ties." That is an observation, not a command or request.

Still waiting

>>2303561
He meant that the economic unit of the family should be abolished, what this means is that the family would truly be true to itself rather than as some economic unit serving a system.

"– What was possible can be seen in the towns brought about by condensation and the erection of communal buildings for various definite purposes (prisons, barracks, etc.). That the abolition of individual economy is inseparable from the abolition of the family is self-evident. " - The German ideology

"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.But, you will say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations,when we replace home education by social.And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention, direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class. The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour." - The Communist Manifesto


Still confused, OP? Is it not clear what is meant?

You guys talk about communal childcare and childrearing, but will you actually take part in it?
Nearly every self-described revolutionary leftist I run into says that he has more important matters to attend, like finding and gooning to obscure FNAF diaper futa porn and writing queer K-Pop fanfics with his trans sisters on Discord than watching some "le crotchdevil" of "le breeder Nazis" who are his neighbours.

new soviet men will be manufactured ready-to-work in large industrial facilities. no family required.

>>2304169
>oh so like to overcome while preserving and lifting up
i don't think preserving is the right word, i think zizek had it right when he likened aufhebung to digestion. simply put the nuclear family is contingent on the present state of things, on a communist society it would simply cease to be, as it is not necessary. there's no onus, as far as i understand it.

>>2337745 (me)
and the funny thing is that reactoids instinctively understand this contingent relationship between the nuclear family (and in general how society is organized) and material conditions. this is why they, correctly btw, assume that the realization of communism would be the end of social institutions they treasure, like the nuclear family.

>>2337745
sure i think digestion could work as well. the metaphor comes out of alchemy and is usually related to the philosophers stone, which is also a metaphor but usually described as the purification of gold, like in using aqua regia to dissolve into a solution where the gold is preserved. it negates the solid gold but changes its form, lifting up and preserving it on a different chemical level where it can be reconstituted in a more pure form. it doesn't actually physically lift it up in this process(it usually falls out as a precipitate) but there is also an actual chemical process called "solvent sublation" (not sublimation) where an agent is bubbled through the solution and the product is literally lifted up and forms a film on the border of the aqueous and organic layers mirroring the dialectical concept mediating between ideas and the material. it makes more explicit sense to me when you consider how chemical agents can completely change the form of appearance of matter while preserving their essence. Sublation in general is the process where a substance changes directly from a gas to a solid phase, without passing through a liquid state, the opposite of sublimation, which is the process of a substance changing directly from a solid to a gas. The term "sublime" also has origins in alchemy, where it refers to something turning directly from solid to gaseous state. So sublation is the process of taking what is sublime and returning it to its concrete form.

>When a German says "abolish slavery", what he actually means is preserving and digesting slaves. You all need to read Hegel to understand the German mind.
-people who don't speak any German and have never read any Hegel

>>2338399
did he mean to kill the slaves?

>>2337653
I'm a cishet parent and this kinda stuff:
> "le crotchdevil" of "le breeder Nazis"
is literally just LGBT people hitting back at society because they feel alienated and demonized

>>2337653
it's called ressentiment

>>2337653
>Nearly every self-described revolutionary leftist I run into says that he has more important matters to attend, like finding and gooning to obscure FNAF diaper futa porn and writing queer K-Pop fanfics with his trans sisters on Discord
You've never met a leftist in your life. I seriously mean it when I say this, most "revolutionary leftists" are the most "boring" people in existence. "I enjoy birdwatching and boardgames" type boring.

>>2304169
You don't get to have a domestic servant/sex slave under communism anon. It's not complicated. Women are not property and womanhood must be abolished.

>>2340661
one might say the abolition of the institution preserves the individual while raising them up to a new status

he meant you should kill your parents

I feel like the petty-bourgeoisie and peasantry are glossed over way too much. It seems clear to me that the family arises from the self-exploitation of the working class. I mean that's literally what the family structure is, one worker exploiting another. It's tricky because the family arises at the boundary between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It's true that the bourgeois are concerned with property inheritance but the leisure class has no need for the social division of domestic labor. IMO you get the worst misogyny amongst the petty-bourgeoisie, peasants and the lumpen, so the self-exploiting strata of the workers.

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>>2340661
The dismantling of the family is a great upheeval .a betrayyal of the very principle of the proletariat, a
fundamenttal denial of the inherrent potential for human liberation that lies within the collective. Stalin and his commitment to the crushhing weight of Marxist principles, He understood, perhaps instinctively, that the traditional fammily is a pitiful monument to capitallist exploitation represented a crippling impediment to the necessary inevitable revolution a future free from inherited privilege and the parasitic hold of the capitalist family it’s a necessary dismantling of a system that perpetuates inequality, a step in the liberation of all humanity

>>2303561
Basically third spaces for kids so they're not reliant on their biological parents to have coercion over them if they're abusive or don't like them for whatever reason.

Everyone will be raised by their mom, grandma, and aunts, or the state. Men will not know if they are fathers or not, just sex (maybe no more straight sex, just sperm banks full of sampled from the marble statue looking mfs). No marriage, men will not take part in child rearing.

>>2303561
He meant it literally. "Abolish The Family" means "The family institution will be no more", simple as.
>Childcare will be le communal and le socialized
>There will be le third spaces for kids
>Le everyone takes care of chidlren
Why? The world is clearly overpopulated, the number of people is like 50 times bigger than it should be. Plus the vast majority of kids under 16 are parasitical, retarded and annoying chudspawn.
Just outlaw being a cishet breeder chud and kill their spawn that is largely indistinguishable from cancerous cell growth.
I don't want to take care of some breeder's cum goblin and I don't get why anyone wants to (besides being a mentay ill or ignorant breeder pedophile).

>>2388564
We already have single moms

>>2392312
Misopedia is projection.

>>2303561
The nuclear family unit is oppression for all members involved.
Especially with the artificial extension of childhood.

The amount people over sixteen are also reactionary chudspawn including you

>>2388561
This
Most parents are terrible life coaches.
They think of kids as vanity projects and punish kids for developing a desire of independent social lives.

>>2392312
The amount of adults whom are retarded parasites far exceeds kids.

Of course you don't think so.
But if adults are really as mature as they think they are, war and crime wouldn't exist.

This misopedia you have, even to assume childrearing as covert pedophilia says more about you.

I bet you have no problem with pampering dogs to hell and back.

>>2305263
Parents still have a hold on their kids lives.
Kids are not raised by their parents directly nowadays but they still have influence.

In fact, if anything, parents are encouraged now more than ever to override their kids lives by any means necessary.

Why else is it common for people in their twenties and thirties to be awkward sometimes down right childish beings nowadays?

Their are heavier restrictions being put on childrens movement. High schoolers used to have after school jobs and have cars.
Nowadays, that's a rarity.

>>2305263
>Very few people are isolated from everyone else by their parents. If they are that's a form of abuse but I think the more common form of abuse is parents ignoring their kids and not giving them any guidance and letting just about any scumbag influence them.

Actually its the other way around.
Parents isolate kids from the ouside world with their moral.hysteria.
Teachers have to deal with parents wanting to demand to remove curriculum subjects due to "unsavory" element.

Kids who grow up online and become influenced by scumbags are because of parents restricting kids social lives.

>please even in a country that prides the "nuclear" family there is still a "vast army of caretakers". from the age of 2 onfwards you have daycare workers, teachers, friends, older peers, mentors coaches, congregation if you're religious, neighbors, etc.

Those third party adults you mentioned behave more like licensed nurses than actual caretakers.
Also they're not allowed to offer any genuine camaraderie to kids.
The "vast army of caretakers" are put under fire for any slight mishap.
Kids are not allowed to handle any problems for themselves. They're not allowed to address any problems without being put on psych meds.

Alot of parents want doctors and teachers to raise their kids for them without offering kids any guidance.
Parents still want to control their kids like pets.

I think family planning should have mandatory competency training.
Like for driving.

Too many adults feel entitled to pass their genes and get a sentient trophy to bully/patronise.

Humans are the only species of animals to willfully hold on to their young past the age of infancy.
Is it any wonder why people are so fucked up and need so much help?

If I had it my way, schools would be required to teach life skills. There would be blue collar training in all school levels.
Kids whom grow up in abusive families or are tied down by helicopter parents will be put in labor camps and offered autonomy training.

>>2304127
They used to do this in Israeli Kibbutzim and a large amount of the kids grew up having attachment issues and other assorted mental illnesses. It's not as good of an idea as people may think. The Soviet family is a better model.

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>>2392343
You all are retarded breeder scum. Kill yourselves.
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>>2392339
Kill all IRL breeders and their cum demons.

>>2392383
Go seethe elsewhere, chudcel

>>2392383
no i'm not lol, take your meds

Once you’ve abolished property relations, the only coherent idea of family is one from the Cuban family code, a group of people that love each other

>>2392312
>Why? Malthusianism
Marx refuted Malthusiansim

>>2392383
describe your relationship vith your mutter und your vader

What did Marx mean by "Socialism is when you share your toothbrush"?
What did he mean by this?

>>2305197
>Do you ever see physicists or chemists waffling about how dialectics helped them to make a discovery? It's a simple question.
Scientists use dialectics whether they realize it or not.

he was just mad his dad grounded him

>>2392402
"a group of people bounded by proximity and/or relation and/or frequency of contact and/or communication (short and/or long distance)" is more relevant since we love people who are not necessarily our family and have family we do not necessarily love

>>2392322
Everyone will be raised by their mom and other familliar women to her or the state if she is abusive, unfit, or otherwise unwilling and there are no available or competent next of kin to take over. So "single moms" will not be an unusual thing. Men will not know if they are fathers, but will know if they are not (gay, asexual, or repulsive).

Family is nice
I love Mom and Dad

>>2303561
>What did Marx mean by "Abolish The Family"?
he meant what he fucking said.
>>2392478
rape the family, rape the fatherland, rape the faith

>>2303598
Anon is simply saying that perpetual change is true, but some aspects of the previous moment are preserved. A sprout is not totally different from a seed

>>2305174
>nobody needs philosophy to do science
drooling booklet

>>2392383
You'd need to die too because you were a child once.
And I bet you don't even regret being a child you just hate having to deal with others enjoying their youth while you're an adult now

>>2392456
It takes two to tango

Having only female authority doesnt end too well

Male figures are needed to help raise the kids
Also, not all women are wanting to raise kids.
This mentality you have is exactly what anarchofeminist (or some equivalent) talking about how leftism is often used to dump caretaking duties onto women.

Places where female-only authority resides often have less technically inclined schooling.
Theres alot more male deficiency.
More policing of personal behavior.

Same thing would happen to girls if we had all-male authority figures.

>>2392456
It would result in henhouses of infantilised prime age adults

>>2303561
Everybody is a rentoid.

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>>2393274
This is why all breeders are scum. ABAB - All Breeders Are Bastards. Total Breeder Death. Total Cishetoid Death. Total Crotchdemon Death.
>>2392511
Based. Family, faith and fatherland are shitty and fascist concepts only delusional incel Ziggabros believe in.