Every experience I've ever had with a major American org, be it PSL, DSA, SALT, CPUSA has left a profoundly disappointing impression. They uniformly have no militancy, no coherent program for building power, and no pattern of success. Often, their strategy invariably finds itself expresses in mindlessly tailing the activist cause du jour, recruiting from liberal protests, then creating their own nonviolent liberal protests and book clubs to fundraise off of ad infinitum. Usually their electoral strategy involves endorsing the Democrats or trying to launch a presidential run for some figure with no national profile who receives 0.015% of the vote. At best they'll make a mild contribution to local tenant organizing on a micro scale. At worst, they're fed-filled cults run by sex pests. Anarchists, who lack the political organizing capabilities to accomplish anything of note, usually somehow lap these orgs in actual militant activity. At least they're capable of creating some minor property damage.
If this pattern isn't isolated to a single org but seems to infect the whole field of them, DSA, CPUSA, PSL, and so forth, then it's indicative of a structural problem. These structural problems of systemic uselessness seem to be pervasive well beyond just the United States. What's going on here? How do we fix the formula?
Genuinely, would we have better results in these kinds of conditions if our orgs were fully underground to begin with? I suspect that one advantage the anarchists have is the lack of a publically visible, legally sanctioned, easy to target organizational structure. Every fed knows the leadership of the PSL, or the DSA, and anyone who's ever paid dues, so there's a very strong incentive to stay safely within legal boundaries. Infiltration and cooption is painfully easy. On the other hand, the anarchist model is also obviously a failure, given that they simply function along lines of pure spontaneity without much coherent organization to begin with.
How dig ourselves out of this common trap, and the resulting malaise?
116 posts and 3 image replies omitted.>>2305382>Anarchists, who lack the political organizing capabilities to accomplish anything of note, usually somehow lap these orgs in actual militant activityReally funny hearing anarchists in Los Angeles say that PSL are pussies who just shout a lot while being herded by police, PSL stands for Pussy Suckers Losers
>>2305574>women enslaved by patriarchal capitalism aren't REAL WORKERS>real workers are when you are a soulless bugman gamerchair socialist who spends his time stroking his beard to attempt to seem human>>2305506>regurgitating glorified welfare queen propagandaThe NYC construction worker in The Antifada podcast said "someone I work with said 'I lost a million dollars in my investments because of Trump's tariff chaos'
What's the word for a working class boomer can lose "a million dollars" overnight because of their financial portfolio? We might call that person a fascist. And in fact every teacher with a pension or other worker also has materially invested in the military industrial complex that is turning Palestinian children into dust
>>2305560>extreme wrecker behavior of bourgeois nationalistsFinance imperialists literally overthrew the president of Russia's neighbor country because they refused to sign a trade deal that let corpos buy the land out from under the feet. You hate nationalism because you're an ultraleft liberal who is aligned with Soros:
https://tlio.org.uk/war-and-theft-the-hostile-takeover-of-ukraines-agricultural-land-private-equitys-21st-century-war-for-global-enclosure-and-slavery/https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/blog/who-owns-agricultural-land-ukraine >>2306710>My question is, will it though?think it this way: with all the wealth they have amassed, the capitalists, the average American would see their life largely improved.
how you know? see the economic data of capital accumulation.
and that applies to everyone else outside the imperial core.
>>2305382They're pussies in so far that they are afraid of militarism and have tried to peace police the LA riots. But OP is right, such behaviour isn't limited to that of the PSL. Prime example is the DSA who refused a coalition with the SRA, which arguably could have served as their armed wing.
https://x.com/neonarodist/status/1888237458111762716Meanwhile, orgs like the community self defence coalition have been the ones to at least help organise the masses.
https://x.com/Blacks4Peace/status/1932586549331333267 https://x.com/EnglishSalar/status/1895474014002536640All the PSL and CPUSA has done is call for "peaceful protest" as if that isn't going to have Trump's fascist government clamp down on them like they already are.
>>2314658Meds. Now.
>>2305382>Genuinely, would we have better results in these kinds of conditions if our orgs were fully underground to begin with?No. There are tons of organisations like that in the same places and they have equally little impact.
The solution to the problems of these orgs aren't the type of orgs that they were born out of which had even less impact
>>2357564>This is like trying to organize against the Arbeitsfront in 1944<Duh USA is liek NATZEE GERMANY!!!11This Nazi monomania is fucking cancer.
>you might as well wait for the Chinese armyYou're going to be very disappointed when you realize China isn't going to give you a revolution on a platter and that their foreign policy since the 1950s to today has been non-interventionism.
>>2366286college punani groomer gangs
t. Trots
>>2367691Figures MLoids can accept the slaughter of communists so long as a couple russian saboteurs die too lmao
>>2368628Nothing more Marxist than unironically calling socialists from other countries filthy jewish bolshevists for refusing to kneel to the Fatherland
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