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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Underdogism-Martyrism is a political tendency in Socialism to always "s*pport" (immaterial support, i.e rhetorical support, i.e. cheerleading) underdogs and martyrs, but never "winners" because "winning" requires deft strategy and unpredictability, which requires sometimes abandoning "principles" (spooks). People who refuse to behave strategically and tactically/temporarily abandon "principles" in order to defeat the enemy are incredibly predictable and can have their principles used against them by the status quo. Underdogism-Martyrism worships at the feet of those who behaved in a principled and therefore predictable manner, then got killed for it. Underdogism-martyrism holds that the "good" Socialists are the ones who got couped and overthrown, while the ones who didn't became revisionist or opportunist. This isn't to say that revisionism and opportunism don't exist, but that they are often used to slander socialists who won. Notice how I have not listed a single actually existing nation state. That is because the Underdogist-Martyrists have those in mind and will bring them up without provocation.

That's a lot of words for "I will uncritically cheerlead any state that calls itself socialist"

Great, another vibes and aura thread.

>>2312153
i hereby substitute thing you did say with thing you did not say. thing you did not say is wrong, therefore thing you did say is also wrong. i win.

>>2312197
>they should lower the age of consent
<so you want to fuck children?
>erm you are substituting thing I did say with thing I did not say

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my favorite leftard thing is when they bring up marxs the real movement quote and pretend abolishing the current state of things is just endless reform lmfao

< Hitherto philosophers have had the solution of all riddles lying in their writing-desks, and the stupid, exoteric world had only to open its mouth for the roast pigeons of absolute knowledge to fly into it. Now philosophy has become mundane, and the most striking proof of this is that philosophical consciousness itself has been drawn into the torment of the struggle, not only externally but also internally. But, if constructing the future and settling everything for all times are not our affair, it is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists, ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little afraid of conflict with the powers that be.

ctrl+f "worker", "bourgeois"
NOT FOUND

yall posting in a worthless radlib thread lmao

True that, DaSS KKKapital by KKKarl MarKKKSS only exists to keep the PoCs down.

>>2312220
what a stupid and arbitrary criteria. Clearly socialism is being discussed.

>>2312229
Snarky.

>>2312147
Reminder that this guy supported Gorbachev to dissolution

What 'critical' support gets you

>>2312800
He sent Gorbachev weapons and money and troops?

All the China haters summed up in what you wrote. If the US nukes China into the stone age all those fucks will say China was good and socialist all along.

badabing badaboom

>>2312147
I mostly agree with Parenti, but there's also an opposite tendency that's prevalent on here specifically. Where having state power is viewed as the ultimate victory regardless of how that power is used and what it achieves. This also goes hand in hand with denouncing basically all protest movements, strikes etc. in 80% of the world (even in the imperial core sometimes) as CIA color revolutions or whatever even when there's no evidence to support that conclusion.

Vivek Chibber makes much the same point. Western Marxists are christcucks who worship failure and suffering

>>2312147
So Palestine

Wrong. Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. Materialists always support the victor. parenti is a dumbass trotskyite and bourgeois

>>2315015
Wrong. Hamas is winning. Hamas has the zionists bargaining over corpses

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>>2315035
>Hamas is winning

>>2314334
No he said Gorbachev will press the communism button by the century leap so we shouldn't call his regime liberal shithole

>>2315068
They are completely right for the reason that Israel will run out of money first before Palestine runs out of people. Israel could've won by simply making a huge show of forgiving the Palestinians after Oct 7 but instead they choose to strike back and implement millions must die, which is precisely the strategy that the Palestinian Resistance hope Israel will do. The moment Israeli announce the invasion to Gaza is the moment they have lost and sealed their defeat

So Russia

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>>2315035
>Wrong. Hamas is winning. Hamas has the zionists bargaining over corpses
They don't give a fuck about any of that. That's just all a part of the spectacle. Netanyahu doesn't wants them all back because then they can't keep marching across the US going: BRING THEM HOME.

>>2315126
>They are completely right for the reason that Israel will run out of money first before Palestine runs out of people.
Lol no. I think they're only at risk of will their public relations fallout around the world be too big at some point. I think the leaders of the world want to let them do what they want which is to get rid of Palestine altogether, it's just that will create too much backlash if they do it too suddenly, so if they slow walk it enough, keep the negative headlines and a simmering pace where it is continuously shoved to the second page as background noise, then they can keep moving towards their goal and then the world leaders will cement it after the deed has been done.

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ONLY IN DEATH MAY YOU BE CLEANSED OF SIN, SOCIALISM IS FOUND IN THE BONES OF MARTYRS, LIFE ITSELF IS COUNTERREVOLUTIONARY

NECROMANTIC COMMUNISM
IN THE GRAVE WE ARE UNITED

>>2315026
Daily reminder that Nietzsche wasn't a leftist.

>>2314879
I think it was easier when there was only one socialist country (the USSR) for communists to soy out about. The USSR was the red fortress. They didn't see a contradiction between their ideals and the twists in Soviet foreign policy (although some did). But it became more complicated when more socialist countries came into being. In a historical plot twist, Stalin had formulated socialism in one country, but during his lifetime his armies installed new socialist governments in Eastern Europe, and more new socialist states emerged in China and Yugoslavia which were outside of his grasp.

Another issue is how communist parties themselves changed once they came into power. I think a lot of people who treat historical commuism as fandom glide this over, but there were real and violent disputes about this, culminating in the Cultural Revolution in China where Mao launched a mass campaign directed at his own party. But there were also the "new class" theories about the Soviet Union, that the communists, state-owned factory directors and various low-cunning strivers had essentially formed a new social class even though the official ideology held that there were no classes (and many people who were doing pretty well and had privileged positions probably believed that because that's how ideology works).

The main thing is that there's a strong argument it had started to turn into a conservative regime focused on stability above all else. Now it was a different kind of conservatism compared to traditional reaction, but nonetheless shared the basic elements of dogmatism (like Catholic dogma), coasting on historical inertia, and assuming an attitude of opportunism to the world as it is. Now there might have also been elements of this during the Stalin era, but there were also really radical things happening during the Stalin era too, so one might say the Stalin era was also a transition period between the initial revolutionary period and the conservative period of the USSR later on.

But a lot of noob communists on the internet probably shy away from these criticisms, either because they don't understand it and never really learned about these things, or they don't (understandably) want to lend ammunition to the liberals and others on the right who use what I'm saying as a way to dismiss socialism.

>>2315126
You hear a lot about how every Palestinian hero the Zionists kill, they will produce a million more, and that is understandable as a morale and willpower-building method, but it is actually a problem to have your best militants killed.

A big problem is that the Arab countries are also run by various conservative monarchs, or weak military men like Sisi in Egypt. And they'd all prefer the Palestinian issue to go away. Like basically none of these governments are democratic at all, man, and the Palestinians are a huge and inconvenient hassle for them, and also a threat. Because when Palestinians stand up and resist due to the lack of democratic rights that come with military occupation, other Arabs come to see their own situation under "their" own regimes in similar terms to the Palestinians. I don't like Islamism at all (and I'm talking about Al Qaeda guys here) but that's why those guys want to overthrow all of the Arab governments, and they talk about this constantly, and I don't think they're "wrong" as a matter of strategic analysis.

BTW, this is where I think some of the "state power as ultimate victory regardless of what it is" ideologies crash into a wall. You end up just internalizing a lot of propaganda from resistoids telling you that anyone who opposed Assad was in cahoots with Israel, but it's not like Assad was doing anything. Ahmed Al Sharaa is running a real dictatorship now, but also one that's popular with the Sunni majority. Horrible for the Alawites though. There is some reporting now that Netanyahu is seeking a backchannel through the U.S. but I honestly cannot say they will normalize relations, and I don't think the Israelis trust Sharaa at all. But we'll see.

i feel this is absolutely true, israel is completely justified with its existance, it was created by a people who were escaping fascistic capitalism, we should root for Palestinians simply because they are the underdog

This doesn't apply to us leftcoms - we shit on 99.9% of all so-called revolutions and communist/socialist parties both successful and unsuccessful.


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