What's happening now
• Iran and Israel exchange strikes: Iran fired hundreds of ballistic missiles toward Israel, according to state media, in response to Israel’s unprecedented strikes. Each side has reported incoming fire in the hours since, with sirens sounding across Israel and Iran activating its own missile defenses early Saturday.
• Major blows to Iran: Israel targeted Iran’s nuclear program and military leaders with its first wave of strikes, which killed at least 78 people, according to Tehran. High-ranking figures, including the commander-in-chief of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, and nuclear scientists are among the dead.
• What Netanyahu says: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who an Israeli official says is monitoring the strikes from a bunker, has vowed “more is on the way.” He previously said Israel’s operation against Iran could take several days.
• Trump’s warning: President Donald Trump told CNN that the US “of course” supports Israel in its actions. Trump warned Iran to agree to a nuclear deal “before there is nothing left.”
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl>>2322254It makes me sad, but not for the reasons people might think. (Crocodile tears over dead/homeless settlers)
It's the waste. Israelis live(d?) prosperous long lives by the standards of the region.
Yeah maybe it was all build on the backs of genocide, but now? It's all gone or will be soon. This may end with the state being irreparably damaged, or outright destroyed. And so all the suffering, the Nakba, all the humiliations inflicted on generations of Palestinians. It was all for nothing,
I dunno how to explain it, but it reminds me of stories of Soviet troops entering Germany, those from the villages that didn't even have sewage systems or electricity. And then being confronted with the level of prosperity enjoyed by average German citizens at the time, and being simultaneously enraged and disgusted that not only did these people go out of their way to torture, rape and kill those who had nothing compared to average German families at the time. But that they had all that, and decided to piss it all away in a genocidal war leaving only ruins and ash.
That's what I feel like. Sadness mixed with rage and disgust. At the utter ungratefulness of these people. Of the fact they're so willing to recklessly piss away what billions in the global south only wish they had. Their nice safe neighborhoods, their pretty streets, their top tier healthcare, education and social security, the fact they live in a country where they can reasonably expect they'll live to old age, where they will then be taken care of by their well off families, with stable jobs, or pleasant homely retirement homes.
But no. Instead they launch a dumb war that may very well undo it all, either in the short or the long term.
I like to think that if those who died during the Holocaust - who didn't live to see their towns, cities and concentration camps liberated - were suddenly alive to witness this, they'd just strangle these people to death themselves.
Like you have all this, a fucking paradise compared to filthy cramped ghettos and rural shacks countless Jews suffered for generations in the Pale, and you just squander it, on an inane war, that you yourself started, like this?
>>2322305>exquisiteI immediately thought this was a Trump quote
Do they all talk like retards now?
Ben Norton: Former US General and NATO Commander Wesley Clark revealed the US empire made plans to overthrow the governments of 7 countries in 5 years:
Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.
Iran is the only one left. Now the US & Israel are attacking it.
https://xcancel.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1933534916148416762#mNEW PSL STATEMENT
It is now crystal clear: Donald Trump is the co-architect of the Israeli war against Iran and shares full responsibility with Benjamin Netanyahu for the extraordinary danger facing the whole world. The Trump administration played an instrumental role in making the brutal attack unfolding against Iran a surprise attack. For months, Trump and his top officials pretended to be negotiating with Iran in order to trick the country’s government into thinking that an attack wouldn’t happen.
This was just a ploy to maximize the devastating impact of the unprovoked Israeli attack that has led to so many civilian casualties and involves the assassination of top Iranian leaders and scientists.
Trump was in on plans for attack – something he himself acknowledges. When asked by a Wall Street Journal reporter if he had been given a “heads up” about the Israeli attack, Trump replied, “Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what’s going on.” Today, he threatened Iran in a social media post, boasting that, “the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come – And they know how to use it.” The U.S. military is reportedly helping Israel shoot down Iranian missiles and drones, so that the Israeli war machine can devastate Iran with impunity.
Trump has framed the war on Iran as a consequence of Iran’s failure to meet the deadline he imposed, “Two months ago I gave Iran a 60 day ultimatum to ‘make a deal.’ They should have done it! Today is day 61. I told them what to do, but they just couldn’t get there.” Trump claimed,
“I told them, in the strongest of words, to ‘just do it,’ but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done. I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told.”
Trump’s threats encapsulate the arrogance and total disregard for the sovereignty of other countries that is at the heart of U.S. empire. He is now posturing as someone holding Iran at gunpoint, demanding that they accept a deal that deeply infringes on their rights as an independent nation in order to escape the Israeli assault.
Make no mistake, the Israeli war against Iran is a clear violation of the UN Charter, and thus a violation of international law. The United States ratified the UN Charter, which is an international treaty, and as a consequence, is the highest law of the land in the United States. The UN Charter strictly forbids a member nation from attacking another nation except in the case of self-defense from an armed attack. Iran has not attacked Israel. The war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu is claiming self-defense, as the Israelis always do when they carry out aggression, but that doesn’t make the assertion true. Netanyahu should be arrested immediately and brought to the Hague for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace.
Iran, in 2015, negotiated with the United States, UK, France, Russia, China, and Germany, and signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which promised Iran relief from crippling economic sanctions in exchange for allowing international inspectors to carry out an intrusive, regular examination of its civilian nuclear energy program to guarantee that Iran was not building a nuclear weapon. The irony could not have been greater, since 5 of the 6 signatories all possess large quantities of nuclear weapons. Nonetheless, Iran agreed and signed the JCPOA. The United States never lived up to its side of the agreement. The Obama administration retained punishing economic sanctions on Iran, and Donald Trump ripped up the agreement when he came to the White House in 2017, calling it the “worst agreement ever.”
Trump and the entire U.S. military and foreign policy establishment is prepared to risk a devastating regional or even global war. The U.S. maintains a network of military installations throughout the region, and forces allied with Iran and opposed to U.S. dominance may enter the fighting. The U.S. military could be drawn into an even more active role in the attack, possibly involving “boots on the ground”. This could quickly spiral into a global confrontation even though no side may at this point desire that outcome.
Prior to World War One, the Balkan War raged from 1912 to 1913. No one anticipated that this would escalate into the outbreak of the deadliest conflict in world history up until that point – World War One. But the ultra-aggressive policy of imperialist powers led to an uncontrollable climbing of the escalation ladder.
The goal of the U.S. government and Israel is to weaken Iran by inflicting devastating blows to its military and population, which in their view would ideally lead to regime change. A long-standing goal of the U.S. establishment has been the installation of a client government in Iran that would follow the orders of Washington and Wall Street – like the brutal dictatorship of the Shah that ruled the country from 1953 to 1979. To do it, they are willing to risk countless lives. Everyone around the world has a reason to raise their voice against Trump and Netanyahu’s illegal and unjust war.
https://liberationnews.org/psl-statement-trump-a-full-partner-in-israels-onslaught-against-iran-risks-wider-war/>>2322328Hey that's a war crime, RuSSian war criminal.
No slap-a da nazi or the Donetsk children get it
>>2322336What nazis
Had a liberal tell me "Fico is fascism (as well)"
I don't take any of this seriously anymore, suffice to say, if I ever did.
>>2322310Quite liked this take.
Does no one any favors for a misstep here, they don't have the luxury of being able to ham-fist the response.
>>2322338Turkey serves Israel and US/NATO. Same with Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Jordan and now Syria. They accept and embrace being slaves and care instead about how to divide up the table scraps and get nicer things by flattering master. Iran (and Yemen, and formerly Syria) are field negroes who talk back to master and mess everything up and cause problems for everyone.
Turkey would be distraught if Iran actually defeated Israel.
>>2322368Why would they do that? Just pull the saudis to the war? If that is even true it seems like a Israeli false flag.
Links. Links Links.
>The Polit Bureau of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) has issued the following statement:
>Halt Israel’s Attack on Iran
>The Communist Party of India (Marxist) strongly denounces the Israeli attack on Iran and demands an immediate halt to the ongoing military operations. This act once again demonstrates that Israel is behaving like a rogue state, launching attacks on countries in West Asia at will and violating international laws and conventions.
>Israel has carried out a series of strikes against Iran, resulting in the deaths of senior nuclear scientists, army generals, and numerous civilians. Statements from Israeli officials suggest that this assault was planned months in advance. The objective appears to be the assertion of Israel’s hegemony over the entire West Asian region. Regardless of official US pronouncements, it is evident that such an operation would not have been possible without American support—either tacit or direct. Without this backing, Israel would neither have the confidence nor the capacity to carry out such aggressive military action.
>It is a well-known fact that Israel possesses nuclear weapons and seeks to prevent other countries in the region from developing nuclear technology, even for peaceful purposes. This attack, occurring amidst ongoing negotiations with Iran on nuclear issues, is likely to spark a broader regional conflict and plunge West Asia into deeper instability. For the past 20 months, Israel has been carrying out a genocidal war against Palestine. Now, with this attack on Iran, it is clear that Israel seeks to eliminate any potential challenge to its dominance in the region.
>The international community, led by the United Nations, must intervene without delay to restrain Israel’s aggression. The Government of India must add its voice to the global condemnation of this attack and actively urge Israel to cease its military operations immediately.
>It is highly deplorable that India chose to abstain from voting in support of Palestine at the United Nations General Assembly yesterday. Such actions only serve to embolden Israel and its continued aggression in the region. India has long-standing relations with both Iran and Palestine, which need to be respected and strengthened. The BJP-led Government must end its tacit support for Israel and take a clear stand for peace and justice in West Asia.https://cpim.org/halt-israels-attack-on-iran/ >>2322362I've been thinking along those lines. How dangerous it is to pursue this course of action to begin with. You don't need a multi-megaton nuclear bomb to render Tel-Aviv uninhabitable. Worst case, this shit just keeps escalating.
>Both sides keep bombing one another>Iranian side starts building a nuke, possibly with a launch platform already ready to be used considering the decades they've had to perfect their missile tech + North Korean expertise>Netanyahu & Co get word of this and authorize limited nuclear strikes against possible launch sites, air bases, remain nuclear infrastructure and bunkers where a bomb might be assembled>Either Iranian side succeeds and retaliate by gifting the zionists instant sunshine, or they just load it up with whatever nasty isotopes they were able to synthesize and render Tel Aviv uninhabitable for the next 50 yearsNo point speculating beyond this, it's already apocalyptic.
>While the sixth round of nuclear negotiations between the United States and the Islamic Republic in Iran was scheduled to take place in Muscat on Sunday, June 15, on Thursday night and early hours of Friday, June 13, 2025, the Israeli military launched a far more intense and extensive operation than its two previous attacks, targeting dozens of nuclear facilities, defense systems, military bases, and locations housing senior commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). This operation, carried out with the knowledge and coordination of the United States government, is being used as leverage to advance the nuclear negotiations and force the Islamic Republic into submission. During the strike, atomic installations and military centers were destroyed, and several senior commanders of the IRGC and the Iranian army were killed. The coordinated airstrike by Israeli Air Force fighter-bombers, in collaboration with Mossad, once again demonstrated the vulnerability of the Islamic Republic’s defensive, security, and intelligence infrastructure—despite the bluster and exaggerations of Khamenei and IRGC commanders. One day prior, the United States had evacuated its embassies in the region in preparation for potential retaliatory actions by the Islamic Republic. Nevertheless, the regime was unable to even secure a safe location for a meeting of IRGC commanders.
>The IRGC commanders and nuclear scientists are being consumed in a war ignited in large part by the Islamic Republic itself. However, the consequences of the continuation of this war, the bombings, and the missile confrontations between the Islamic Republic and the governments of Israel and the United States will not remain confined to these events. Beyond the spread of insecurity, the threat of nuclear radiation, and deepening economic poverty and misery, this military escalation and intensification of the war situation primarily serve to delay the development and advancement of workers’ and popular struggles, as well as the revolutionary movement to overthrow the Islamic Republic. By exploiting the wartime climate, intensifying repression, and enforcing a police-state conditions, the Islamic Republic aims to disrupt the progress of the revolutionary struggle to overthrow the regime and to suppress its own internal enemy.
>The United States government still does not seek the overthrow of the Islamic Republic; rather, it aims to compel the regime to surrender in the nuclear negotiations by leveraging the pressure created by Israeli military operations. However, if the Islamic Republic persists in its uranium enrichment efforts on Iranian soil and continues its current course of adventurism, military and missile confrontations will escalate. Alongside continued bombings, efforts to establish an alternative government—through the involvement of bourgeois and right-wing opposition forces—will increasingly become part of a broader U.S.-Israeli project to shape a regional order in the Middle East according to their strategic vision. In the regional order envisioned by the United States and Israel, there is no place for a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic.
>Therefore, as we have repeatedly emphasized, the conflict between the Islamic Republic and the United States and Israel over the nuclear program has nothing to do with the interests of the working class or the people of Iran and the region. As part of its survival strategy, the Islamic Republic has spent hundreds of billions of dollars from the nation’s wealth—generated through the labor and exploitation of Iranian workers and toilers—on nuclear projects and programs, the consequences of which have directly harmed the people of Iran. This conflict between the Islamic Republic and the U.S.-Israel axis is a continuation of their existing policies and represents a reactionary and capitalist confrontation on both sides. In order to protect themselves from the dangers of this escalating war, the working class, the toiling masses, and freedom-seeking people of Iran have no alternative but to expand and intensify their struggle against the Islamic Republic, increase their efforts to organize their ranks, and build a nationwide leadership to lead a mass uprising and revolutionary overthrow of the regime. At the same time, it must not be allowed that certain enthusiastic bourgeois opposition forces mislead the people into premature actions—such as uprisings—that require a high level of organization and preparedness which, at present, does not yet exist.
>The Communist Party of Iran, while condemning this reactionary conflict and war, calls upon all workers, toilers, and freedom-seeking people of Iran to broaden and intensify the struggle for the revolutionary overthrow of the Islamic Republic. It urges the activists and vanguard elements of the workers’ movement and other progressive social movements to expand their efforts in organizing and building a unified and nationwide leadership. Only through accelerating and intensifying the efforts and struggle to prepare the necessary conditions for the revolutionary overthrow of the Islamic Republic can the people of Iran and the region be freed from the tyranny of this criminal regime. This is also the only way to neutralize the efforts of bourgeois and right-wing opposition forces to impose a top-down alternative, and to offer a clear and hopeful horizon to the workers and oppressed peoples of the Middle East in the face of the imperialist and reactionary regional order sought by the United States and Israel.
>No to this reactionary war>Down with the Islamic Republic>Long live freedom, equality, and workers’ rule
>Central Committee of the Communist Party of Iran>June 13, 2025https://cpiran.org/statement-in-the-face-of-the-threat-of-an-expanding-war-between-two-reactionary-poleslet-us-intensify-the-struggle-for-the-revolutionary-overthrow-of-the-islamic-republic/ >At midnight on Friday Sveta’s four-year-old daughter was asleep on the floor outside their shattered apartment block, as the rest of the family weighed up where they should spend the night.
>A missile from the first Iranian salvo fired at Tel Aviv had landed a couple of blocks away, killing at least one person, injuring at least 16 others and damaging hundreds of shops and homes in this quiet residential area.
>The 37-year-old was sanguine about her own losses, and backed the government decision to attack Iran even though it had so quickly cost her family their home.
>“I support it completely,” she said as her older daughter stroked their chihuahua. “This is nothing compared to what they will be able to do if they get their hand on the A-bomb [nuclear weapons]. We can’t afford for the Iranians to get them.
>“We tell [our daughters] that as long as we go to the shelter together, everything is OK. The damage in the house is just material things.”
>Elia said, and he was braced for more attacks. But, like Sveta, he was confident the pre-emptive attack on Iran had been necessary.
>“We are doing what we need to defend ourselves,” Elia said. “The Bible says if someone comes to kill you, you must kill them first. We are ready for anything and everything that will bring quiet.”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/14/i-support-it-completely-israelis-back-attack-on-iran-even-as-retaliatory-missiles-hit-tel-aviv >Dear compatriot,
>According to the latest reports, the Israeli government, at dawn today, carried out widespread attacks and bombed large parts of our homeland, including Iran’s nuclear facilities. In a series of terrorist operations, a number of IRGC commanders — including Mohammad Bagheri, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, and Hossein Salami, Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC — as well as several Iranian nuclear scientists, were killed. Iran’s state television announced that following the Israeli attack on Tehran, about 50 injured individuals were transferred to Chamran Hospital in Tehran, at least 35 of whom were women and children.
>The criminal war government’s attack, led by Benjamin Netanyahu and reportedly with the knowledge of the Trump administration, violates all international laws and clearly demonstrates how silence and practical collaboration with a regime that has so far killed over 50,000 Palestinians, including 12,000 children in Gaza, and has now subjected millions of residents to famine and starvation through economic blockade, can have dire consequences for peace throughout the Middle East.
>According to international news agencies, Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement confirming the attack on Iran, saying:“Moments ago, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion… This operation will continue for as many days as necessary…”
>Ali Khamenei also issued a statement following the attacks, in which he declared:>“The Zionist regime, at dawn today, committed a heinous crime in our beloved country and revealed its evil nature more clearly by targeting residential areas. The regime must await severe punishment. The powerful hand of the armed forces of the Islamic Republic will not let it go unpunished… Several commanders and scientists were martyred in the enemy’s attacks. Their successors and colleagues will immediately carry on their duties.”
>This Israeli attack comes at a time when the IAEA Board of Governors, on Thursday, June 12, passed a resolution against the Islamic Republic, stating among other things that:>“Iran’s repeated failures since 2019 to fulfill its obligations to fully and promptly cooperate with the Agency regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at several sites constitute non-compliance with its safeguards agreement with the IAEA.”It should be noted that some of the issues mentioned in this resolution had already been addressed during the JCPOA negotiations and had in effect been resolved.
>In response to the IAEA resolution, Masoud Pezeshkian emphasized that Iran would continue enriching uranium, adding:>“I don’t understand how we are supposed to cooperate with the world in a way that stops their mischief and allows others to remain independent. We will follow our own path and continue enrichment.”
>It is also important to note that the Israeli attack occurred just as the sixth round of negotiations between the Islamic Republic and the United States was scheduled for Sunday.
>In recent weeks, the Central Committee of the Tudeh Party of Iran has expressed deep concern over the severely critical situation in the region and the threats facing our homeland, warning:>“Moving toward military confrontation with U.S. imperialism and Israel — a conflict that could turn Iran into another Syria or Iraq… The Tudeh Party of Iran, like other progressive and popular forces in our country, has always supported peace. In line with this policy, we call for transparent, public, and direct negotiations that reduce the costs of these catastrophic conditions for the Iranian people. It must not be forgotten that dragging Iran into destructive military conflicts could have long-lasting and disastrous consequences for our homeland and the popular movement — setting back the struggle for freedom and the end of dictatorship by years.”
>Dear compatriots,
>With the Israeli government’s massive attacks on Iran and the retaliatory threats by the Islamic Republic, as promised by Ali Khamenei, today our national interests face tremendous danger. Dragging Iran into large-scale, destructive military conflicts — especially given that imperialist powers, led by U.S. imperialism, are expected to side with and support the criminal Israeli government — will only bring catastrophic consequences for Iran.
>The Tudeh Party of Iran strongly condemns the Israeli military aggression and terrorist act, which violate our country’s national sovereignty. It emphasizes the need to defend Iran’s national interests and considers any foreign military intervention or aggression to be against the will, rights, and interests of the Iranian people. Only imperialism, its client forces, reactionaries, and the ruling dictatorship benefit from tensions and war.
>The Tudeh Party of Iran calls on all progressive and freedom-loving forces in Iran and the world to unite in condemning this blatant and brutal violation of international law and to focus all efforts on preventing a wide-scale, destructive military conflict and establishing peace in the Middle East.The global public must go beyond mere concern expressed by the UN Secretary-General over Israel’s attack on Iran. All international mechanisms available through the United Nations and its Security Council must be used to stop the region from plunging into large-scale war.
The Tudeh Party of Iran believes that only through establishing and defending peace can we put an end to the current dangerous crisis in the Middle East.
>Central Committee of the Tudeh Party of Iran>June 12, 2025https://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/2025/06/13/statement-of-the-central-committee-of-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-strongly-condemns-the-criminal-and-terrorist-attack-by-the-israeli-government-on-iran/ Libbed up westerners desperate for attention bothsiding genocide, I shan't engage
>>2322411Well, sure, again, all roads lead to Rome.
In general what is normal and special is also a matter of perspective / definition.
>it's just late, and not yet as successful as it's predecessorsAnd that is precisely what makes it different, then. The american genocide already happened. Facts on the ground are established. Israel can still be contained.
>>2322428Cope uygha. He got 560,000 likes, 719,000, 318,000 and 306,000 likes on 4 pro Iran tweets in 1 day
Seethe all you want about it. Iran chads rising. Zios are done
>>2322434>560,000 likes, 719,000, 318,000 and 306,000 likes on 4 pro Iran tweetswoah now
thats support!
>>2322439If I told you 5 years ago there would be a pro Iran tweets with even 5,000 likes you would call me a fucking retard and so no way
Now we have people all across social media being pro Iran. Zios are done
>>2322403People will continue to debate "irrational" "unproductive" existential questions (including those with "religious" themes) long after capitalism's gone. Not saying that organized religion (especially those institutions they exist as today) will survive indefinitely. But deleting capitalism as a way of life is going to lead to a lot more introspection, self-reflection, speculating and even woo woo new age tier stuff.
Case in point is China where 90%+ people will outright state not being affiliated with any religion, but if you ask them about honoring ancestors (or even deities), karma, whether they believe in Buddhism (and Buddha having been a real person), and even Feng Shui, you might be led to believe they're polling Tehran if it weren't for the slightly different "spiritual flavor".
Hot take: The anti-religious campaigns in the USSR were "wrong", not because they were "evil", or entirely unsuccessful, but because they didn't cut to the heart of the issue: The existence of an afterlife, karma, gods, etc. is simply irrelevant to socialism as a (proletarian) movement.
Imagine if Soviet scientists provided undeniably proof "god" exists, what difference would it make? It's not like faith alone appears to change anything for the working class.
Getting rid of the clergy, the church, the madrasas and the synagogues for being overly
worldly and banal would have been reason enough. They were mainly instruments for class rule, and there was nothing divine about their greed and sexual pathologies masquerading as spiritual insight.
The bolsheviks who wanted to replace these with
new faiths were right all along. And the fact they weren't allowed to succeed is one of the many reason all levels of rot were able to seep in near the end.
>>2322454Since when does it not? They're using Ukraine as a meat proxy to bomb and wear down Russia.
Taiwan is a giant coastal fort which the USN can use to blockade the mainland with, and serves as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for the coming anti-china war.
Washington propped up the Khmer Rouge, Apartheid South Africa and other states well beyond the point when they were universally reviled.
They lend South Vietnam under Diem an entire army, no matter how vile his regime was proven to be. And they only allowed getting rid of him when he outlived his usefulness, but their commitment to the regime overall didn't wane until much later.
>>2322473>Since when does it not?Since forever? It's pretty clear with them that they are the bitches of the US who hold regular humilitation meetings while the zionist settler colony gets special protections by the US down to even censoring speech in many countries. That shit hasn't happen for Ukkkraine for example.
>>2322474>taiwan didThere was a specific point in time where the spotlight was on them but nothing in the same way as Zionazis do.
>>2322481That's not a response and stop projecting you retarded zionist freak. No one is talking about LE JEWS.
>>2322483Not a nationalist
Did not post 4chan shit
no broofs = reported for 14B again
>>2322466Israel has been a pawn of various Anglo-Saxon countries going back to the British Empire and then later the United States during some war in the region (I believe it was the Yom Kippur War in 1973, Norman Finkelstein talks about this in The Holocaust Industry) that caught the attention of the US. it happened amidst a lot of political turmoil the region (the Iranian Revolution happening only a few years later for instance) along with the increasing dependence of the world in the mid 20th century on oil and especially because of how massively important the Suez Canal is to the world economy. the US saw an opportunity with Israel to treat it as a FOB for its empire because it proved itself to be a capable military force in the war and has ever since been using it as part of its 20th century imperialist strategy of having various junior partner imperialist proxy states and cooperative regimes without directly administering its colonies.
Ukraine, South Korea, and Taiwan are different because they just aren't in as strategic of a position as Israel is to influence the world economy
>>2322508Yeah. Israel and Iran are both deadlocked. Even with 100% mobilization Israel doesn't have the manpower to conquer Iran, let alone keep it. While Iran would throw its Islamic-brother credentials to the wind by marching a force through Iraq and Jordan. The only possible tie-breaker would be the US, but they would need serious mobilization to actually have a shot at Iran and that seems unlikely to succeed since the JDPON Don can't even keep the peace within his own borders.
Gonna be missile throwing for a while.
>>2322497Well, China is literally the world economy to a large extent.
Amrika is for now choosing peace with China (militarily).
Ukraine is a backwater shithole only good for being a thorn in the side of Russia.
Russia, meanwhile, like China, would have been happy to trade with the west, trade with everyone and just keep getting fatter off oil (as would Iran btw). Alas, this option has been cut off finally.
The stance of the empire on an issue like the Palestinians has always been exterminationist. Since they are not (potentially) useful like China, Russia. They are rather in the way of their total domination of the land.
And that's why they let Israelis do what they please.
>>2322497>Ukraine, South Korea, and Taiwan are different because they just aren't in as strategic of a position as Israel is to influence the world economyIsrael has a unique purpose in that it was originally meant to protect the Suez but now it protects oil monopoly more generally by regulating production in surrounding countries acting as an attack dog since everything relies on oil it has a more direct and central purpose.
Ukraine threatening Russia is also related to oil monopoly though. US relies a lot on LNG and fracking and wants to get rid of competitors so it can stretch out peak oil and maximize revenue. They dont want to profit of the oil directly but dont want people producing.
Taiwan is a check on China so it now has a new role in the world economy by virtue of China being the biggest economy, and also with semiconductors.
SK is actually independently imperialist, especially with Samsung and Mitsubishi, at least to the same extent that Germany and Japan are.
But they both, and Japan too also do project into Malacca and the whole South Pacific the same way as Israel in East Asia. Its more distributed because everything is islands but its a similar purpose. Malacca and Hormuz actually have more traffic than Suez.
>>2322498Hello I'm Iraqi.
Kindly stop using my people's suffering to justify the murder of fellow workers for the sake of capital thanks 🙏
>>2322513Well, a couple aspects.
To a large extent, it flows from Hamas not being a "legitimate" state actor and declared terrorist. It allows them to totally let loose. Make dissent illegal by association with terrorism.
It's all kinda opposite common sense and common morality. To a normal person it is more honorable to fight with another state that is operating in the same league. But the american ruling class has in the past and mostly tried to come to an agreement or arrangement with serious competition ("enemy states").
While the "Hamas run" poor Palestinians are just in the way. So all they get is extermination.
>>2322526Lolno, support for far-right comes from schizophrenics, that's their CONSTANT voter base, and then there are disillusioned voters who vote in protest against the government that has failed their expectations. Far-right parties adopt palatable leaders for this exact reason - to court normies who were burned by parties in power
>>2322527As if 1) it is your government 2) you ever had a choice in the matter
>>2322531Constant and variable is immaterial to what I wrote, and
>here are disillusioned voters who vote in protest against the government that has failed their expectationsis the general case of what I already claimed. Information I have from directly speaking with people by the way, not some spooky gut feeling as is common on do-nothing fora like /leftypol/.
My argument was that people will vote on zionists, but not because of their zionism.
https://thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/ten-theses-on-the-far-right-of-a-special-type/Oh no, not the euro right wing. This will make everything so much worse.
Try explaining that to people on the receiving end of genocide.
What does this have to do with this thread? But what about Hamas? What about Poutine?
All chaos in western states is good, actually.
>>2322536When has this ever happened? There is still far-right nations oppressing the people
>Hurr durr people deserve bad thingsSure is a wonder why you retards don't get any ground anywhere
>>2322558Eat your burger, fat
It's hatred of libbed up westoids, nothing more, nothing less
>>2322569>>2322561She is also fine with torturing netanyahu and killing him. But rape she is so horrified she needs to make grand stand speech
How is someone this retarded and how did 40,000 people like the tweet
>>2322406>the Islamic Republic has spent hundreds of billions of dollars from the nation’s wealth—generated through the labor and exploitation of Iranian workers and toilers—on nuclear projects and programs, the consequences of which have directly harmed the people of Iran. Ha ha ha
It's funny because there's video(s) of a bunch of Iranian protestors demanding that the country start properly developing nuclear weapons.
What a bunch of completely out of touch kooks. I've got no sympathy whatsoever. That's what you get for not even understanding your own working class while claiming to represent them.
>>2322592Then stop being a liberal
>>2322594Come up to my crib
>>2322595That's an american person of european descent
>>2322538They could start by not publishing things containing shit like
>>2322406>a war ignited in large part by the Islamic Republic itself>military escalation and intensification of the war situation primarily serve to delay the development and advancement of workers’ and popular struggles, as well as the revolutionary movement to overthrow the Islamic Republic. [like anyone gives two shits about you, deluded]>disrupt the progress of the revolutionary struggle again
>In the regional order envisioned by the United States and Israel, there is no place for a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic.Very true. And so they need to have it
>build a nationwide leadership to lead a mass uprising and revolutionary overthrow of the regime. At the same time, it must not be allowed that certain enthusiastic bourgeois opposition forces mislead the people into premature actions—such as uprisings—that require a high level of organization and preparedness which, at present, does not yet exist.Well, they join us back in reality with that last part.
terrible read etc. etc.
It starts somewhat reasonable with the first paragraph and the goes off the rails hard and fast. And a whole lot of nothing. This must be classic Trotism
I rate it 2/10 icepicks
>>2322622It's not that hard to build the bomb. If the political will is there, it's an inevitability.
Iran's problem is they could never commit to it cause they like getting fat off trade with the west too much.
Do you expect an answer to that last part? You must be the resident amerikanski middle east expert. They hate us for our freeeedom
>>2322626islam doesn't allow for a man or a woman to change their gender yet it's the place with the highest HRT and transition surgeries after thailand and america
shias always pragmatized
>>2322627Mossadeghites were okay with theocracy when it catered to the petty bourgeois. Iran has turned to neoliberalism and that bridge was burned. They're look to have another petty bourgeois revolution (that will again be co-opted) they don't realize they're pointlessly fighting against history itself
It's like Marx says
>The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests, they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat. >>2322457if antisemitism is the anticapitalism of fools,
then
anticapitalism is the antisemitism of the intellectual
>>2322672In this instance, Iran has the right to defend itself.
But I fear there is so clear-cut vision for a victorious outcome. I think this will escalate until America is compelled to take part (they have the weapons required to destroy Irans underground facilities)
>>2322675I love abstractions like the right of nation to exist and defend itself
The revolution will be voted on by the UN
>>2322676okay and he was wrong
>>2322680yeah i understand the context, in a time where there is no progressive bourgeois powers, like right now, the proletariat should immediately work to overthrow their current governments, as instead of monopoly capitalism, we simply live in oligopoly capitalism
>>2322685>yeah i understand the context, in a time where there is no progressive bourgeois powers, like right now, the proletariat should immediately work to overthrow their current governments, as instead of monopoly capitalism, we simply live in oligopoly capitalismRead Socialism and War.
>>2322686Again you misunderstand the context. You have a war between Zionist fascism and a country that is a victim to that nations aggression. By not picking a side, you pick the side of the aggressor.
>>2322692proletarian, israeli (genetically evil, pre-disposed to kill and rape)
proletarian, iranian (wholesome, couldn't hurt a fly if they tried to, nicest people on the planet)
>>2322695no one is empathizing with israelis no matter how hard you try, im sorry dude.
they brought it upon themselves. most normies used to support you until you started going hitler mode and invaded literally all of your neighbours and started a genocide agaisnt a group of people that did nothing to you.
>>2322701>support youi'm not israeli
>>2322702and that is gonna be challenged by never-ending bourgeois wars with iran? even by your own criterion you should reject the iranian "responses"
>>2322710who is "you"
>>2322709>And last time I checked, Israel started this conflict.yeah and iran does very little to challenge it, because they have no incentive to actually end israel
>>2322712i forgot that part, thanks for educating me
>>2322707You could even make a case that bombing Dresden as late as it was in the war was rather unnecessary. Not that I'd like to. Just saying there may possibly be a case.
The atomic bombs dropped were pretty clearly unnecessary.
You can't make a case for not containing Israel and NATO as they try to eradicate any opposition
>>2322719Yea they won't they're chicken
The People demand the A bomb.
Bomb the imperialists
Death to america and Israel
>>2322734Israelis are not proles. They are genocidal freaks. I don't care if they all die
Fuck em
>>2322734>>2322743>>2322749GUYS the first post made about this topic on this board was made by an ultra WHO LITERALLY WROTE
>>2317172>the Israeli strikes against Iranian workers conclusion: campists are schizoid retards
This is from the Tudeh Party in Iran
>“According to the latest reports, the Israeli government, at dawn today, carried out widespread attacks and bombed large parts of our homeland, including Iran’s nuclear facilities.
>In a series of terrorist operations, a number of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps commanders — including Mohammad Bagheri, chief of the general staff of the armed forces, and Hossein Salami, commander-in-chief of the IRGC — as well as several Iranian nuclear scientists, were killed. Iran’s state television announced that following the Israeli attack on Tehran, about 50 injured individuals were transferred to Chamran Hospital in Tehran, at least 35 of whom were women and children.
>The criminal war government’s attack, led by Benjamin Netanyahu and reportedly with the knowledge of the Trump administration, violates all international laws and clearly demonstrates how silence and practical collaboration with a regime that has so far killed over 50,000 Palestinians, including 12,000 children in Gaza, and has now subjected millions of residents to famine and starvation through economic blockade, can have dire consequences for peace throughout the Middle East.”
>>2322782these are exact same words as an anon here
>ultrasit's always ultras
This is from the Worker-Communist Party in Iran
>In confronting this crisis of its survival, the Islamic Republic will try to militarize the political space as much as it can and, under the pretext of war conditions, make the situation of the Iranian people more difficult and unbearable than ever. On the other hand, any military reaction of the Islamic Republic against Israel can lead to a war of very destructive dimensions, including the risk of nuclear contamination. On the other hand, this war is being ignited by Netanyahu, who himself has his hands up to his elbows in the blood of the people of Gaza and has shown that he will not refrain from any crime for his goals. Therefore, Iranian society is facing the most dangerous and decisive moment in its history in recent decades.
>Criminals such as Salami, Shamkhani, Bagheri, Abbasi, and others who were killed in this attack have a bloody record of killing the Iranian people, attacking Flight PS-752, killing Mahsas, Nikas, Sarinas, and Kayans, and killing the people of Syria and the entire region. The killing of these criminals, along with the destruction of the military and nuclear centers of the Islamic Republic, has dealt a blow to the ruling murderers in Iran.
>The perpetrator of these attacks is the Israeli government, which itself has a long hand in killing the people of Gaza and the Palestinians; this is a war between two terrorist states, but the revolutionary and humane response to this war cannot be simply opposing the war of terrorists and being peace-loving and demanding an end to the war from a pacifist position. It must be attacked. It is the work of the Israeli people to determine the fate of Netanyahu's fascist government, and the overthrow of the Islamic Republic is an urgent matter for the Iranian people.
>The Islamic Republic should not be allowed to overshadow the protest atmosphere and the ongoing rallies and strikes of various sectors of society with war and war conditions. According to reports, the Islamic Republic has currently declared the governors to fire freely in response to the people's protest rallies. The people's response can only and must be to further attack the government in all areas. All activists and those involved in the Women's Freedom Life Movement, activists in the women's movement and activists, workers, drivers, teachers, retirees, students, and all protesting segments of society, must come to the field with unity and coordination as much as possible and, in the midst of the struggle to realize their rightful slogans and demands, also raise the flag of confronting the government's warmongers.
>>2322829Bit of both. Pacifism is good cause people don't want to die (shocker, they're still reeling from this revelation). Proletarian is good cause Marx used the word a lot.
Ceterum censeo, the People (vox populi vox dei) demand the A bomb.
Bomb the imperialists with everything humanly and physically possible.
Death to america and the zionist entity!
>>2322844Easiest way out would be taking out the US regime. No more problems.
Ceterum censeo, the People demand the A bomb.
Bomb the imperialists with everything possible.
Death to america and the zionist entity!
>>2322754>>2322845>Third CampistsOkay, who do you support then? Who is the third camp?
And before you say something like
>Uh… th-the workers!Name a specific political organization with evidence that they genuinely represent some kind of third camp.
Do not claim that it's going to be some kind of spontaneous, decentralized, leaderless uprising of the workers from out of fucking nowhere not connected to any particular organization. That has never happened. That will never happen. I will make fun of you if you suggest it.
>>2322873Israel desperately tries to cling on to its bourgeois democracy (for israelis) to look good in the eyes of western liberals.
They failed of course, but still.
>>2322874these are the same morons who mock Indians with 'phool sapport saar'
Look at them now with their "uhmmmm who do you support then?"
>>2322845>RISKING CIVIL WAR IF THEY CONSCRIPT THE ANTI-THEOCRATS. Delusional as we have seen people fall in line under the barrel of a gun and do as they are told. Countless able bodied strong Ukraine men submit and go fight when hunted down
Iranians are not some super human they will do the samething
>>2322884So you make fun of people for having the idea of "picking a side" online of a country as you see it as pointless. Hey you are so delusional that as an English speaker you think you have the ability to cause peace amongst Gazan Arabic speaker and Israelis hebrew speakers and you see this as a possibility to push for
You are an idealistic dreamer of the highest level I have seen. Laughable
>>2322897Are you suggesting that there wasn't a significant outcome to the conclusion of the American Civil War and that it's all just the same as the super bowl?
You should have paid more attention in high school history class.
>>2322907Uhmmm is this cheerleading of bourgeoisssssie nation states
Uhmmmm this hecking unwholesome, reddit downvote, I will share this to my reddit bros on r/ultraleft
>>2322898I remember the retards that cheered the CSTO when they intervened in Kazaghstan.
>>2322864>Okay, who do you support then? Who is the third camp?I'm a communist. Not a nationalist.
>>2322913Activism famously stopped the Iraq war, abolished state and created communist society.
Marx said we should oppose war on humanitarian grounds, all men are created equal and are brothers.
>>2322788the metaphor is pretty revealing of their absolutely dumbufck position : they seem to think things happen because da evil authoritarian left is bloodthirsty, and not because the empire does empire thing, causing resistance to their actions. They're also the type of people who are frequently serviced by waiters aka labor aristocracy and pmcs, they are completely disconnected from any real world struggle, they dont even think that attacking the imperialism in their country should be their priority, they'd much rather attack the ones doing it on the pretext they support the other side (which is at least as bad as ours, everyone is capitalism imperialist so support for any camp is entirely equal, including your own state!).
The only reason I dont think they're actual glowie but just retards doing glowie work unwittingly is because the left has become so pathetic Im not even sure intelligence agencies bother with it anymore.
>>2322931Fun fact: The Italian "ultraleft" wrote a 80-page book called "Condemnation of the Renegades to Come" in praise of Lenin's LWCAID
I wish MLs would read the works they cite the title of one day.
>>2322923Yay someone got it spot on
https://redsails.org/discorso-agli-anarchici/Ceterum censeo, the People demand the A-bomb.
Counter the imperialists with all possible weapons.
Death to america and the zionist entity!
>>2322968The relations are destroyed
Rumors are now Hindus are making amends with Muslims to fight against Israel
>>2322973meds
>>2322971idk man making low quality spam-posts attempting to dodge the actual substance (that communists should advocate for ending inter-imperialist wars by turning them into class-wars) through moralistic arguments (IJN/Wehrmacht/IDF soldiers were mostly proletarians, and since you're saying we shouldn't have inter-imperialist wars, you're supporting the holocaust!!!!!!) it's just fucking lazy and you should stop posting
>>2322974yet again some guy, if the actual indian embassy posts it that's when it becomes more than just a few nationalists freaking out and instead an actual diplomatic incident
>>2322977>do you think killing Nazis was a good thing in ww2?a bit of a loaded question but yes, but to say that being against inter-imperialist wars is effectively arguing that the answer is no or some shit, is lazy and a moralist argument
>Communists that weren’t arrested or killed would resist by killing Nazis, is that moralism?and to properly answer your question, no it isn't, because they were materially challenging enforcers of the present state of things, if a wehrmacht batallion mutinied and started shooting other wehrmacht battalions, that would neither be moralist, or be condemned
>>2322953>ML redfashSorry the picture is depicting 1917 anti-campist ultraleft revolution while the term you're using was invented in 1927
>>2322956So you must know it was critiquing the dutch-german leftcoms who were at war with the Italian leftcoms :)
>>2323001they were puppet states, under occupation
stop being stupid
>>2323005yet it still happened, and israel isn't fascist, it's your average liberal ethnostate like south africa or rhodesia, even some countries in south east asia operate similarly to israel as well
>>2323003the answer is simple, there is no major contradiction to encourage it in israel, since most of israel's proletarians and petty bourgeoisie live in post nakba developments
>>2323041>gaslightingYes.
Support for Cuba is near universal here. Anti-Cuba posters showing up here from out of the fucking blue is highly suspicious.
>>2323054i never said that you schizo retard
>>2323044for now, hadash is a victim of state repression and barely relevant. i don't think communism in israel is going to take root until it takes root in the united states
>>2323043neither
i want to grab a male zionist soldier and turn them into my wife with forced feminization and dick locking. turn a zionazi into a submissive cockslut to hashtagrape
>>2323078You didn't answer the question. You just whined more about "campism."
How is what you are saying fundamentally different from what the CIA would want you to say?
In fact, how is all this third camp bullshit not just warmed over neocon bullshit with a "communist" coat of paint? Isn't their whole thing
>"We support the people of <country> against their government!" NEW THREAD
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