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Suppose Karl Marx had never been born. How would the modern world be different?

My best guess is highly optimistic. Without Marx, there would have been no prominent intellectual promoter of violent revolution for socialist dictatorship. There would still have been a big socialist movement, including many socialists dreaming of bloodbaths and tyranny. But the movement as a whole would have rapidly evolved into something like social democracy. Third World dictators would still have killed in the name of socialism. But there would have been no Soviet Union without Marx. And without the Soviet Union, there would be no fascist Italy and no Nazi Germany. A socialist dictatorship could still have come to China. But without the ghoulish example of Soviet agriculture, even a socialist China would have avoided major peacetime famine.

It’s clearly possible that an alternate, equally influential theoretician of violent revolution for socialist dictatorship would have arisen. But this seems unlikely. When historians of science try to weigh a scientist’s influence, they search for runner-ups – rival scientists waiting in the wings to make the same discovery. Challenge: If Marx had never lived, who exactly would have replaced him? In Germany, Marx’s top rival was Ferdinand Lassalle, a figure far more in tune with modern social democracy than Marx. On the global socialist scene, it’s hard to name any figure that compares with Marx. Who’s even in the running?

There’s really only one fact that tempers my optimism: The world with Marx has never had a nuclear war. Altering any major facet of history could plausibly reverse that happy outcome.

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>>2322652
tl;dr - someone else would come up with equivalent of marxism sooner or later, grow up

If marx was really derious aboit opposing social democracy he'd have killed lasalle

The world without Marx is the world today.

Everyone is Lassallen. Leftists read critique of the gotha program and find themselves agreeing with every position opposed by Marx.

>>2322657
not only that, but many of the ideas attributed to marx were already in circulation before he compiled them in his writings. people weren't so obsessed with authorship and intellectual property back then because they were doing politics, not content

>>2322703
Lasalle fondled you.

ancaps and lolberts can literally only think in hypothetical thought experiments they just made up lol I stg every thread we get from them is some long ass hyper specific scenario they just made up as some gotcha. They really do believe in the Descartes shit where all thats truly real is your own thoughts. still preferable to the tired and cliche porn and jak spam of sharty and /pol/ack bait threads at least.


>>2322697
considering ancap shit is an offshoot of lolbert shit which is an offshoot of libshit I would say this fits pretty nicely into the idealist analysis of all three camps where thoughts control reality and not the other way around. There are no historical,economic and material reasons for violence just mean bad people with mean and bad ideas.

>muh speshul individuals


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