we can all agree that trump is a fascist right?
>”America First” and says “Americanism not globalism”
>deporting minorities
>deporting political opponents
>supporting a fascist state in the Middle East
>sending the national guard to beat protesters
>has a cult of personality
>attempts to be expansionist
>obsessed with the military lately
Capitalism is clearly in decay so it makes the most sense to me
>>2325953>>”America First” and says “Americanism not globalism”he said that 8 years ago and didn't mean a word of it
he's full of shit
>>2325953>every amerikkkan president ever>>2326036trump isnt fascist.
https://fascipedia.org/index.php/Fascist_ManifestoRead fascist manifesto. The social democrat has more in common with fascism than trump/
>>2325953If by fascist, you mean paper maiche ruler who does what daddy Thiel says (among others), then yes. Trump is a fixer at heart, who copied the entire working model of Roy Cohn, who Trump called a father figure. He was also close to Epstein, who did the same thing.
So what did Trump do? He captured the office, then sold it to the highest bidder. But at the same time, he has things that even he has direction on, and that's where you know who his masters are. It's clear that he's expanding the military-industrial complex and its police state, but he's not particularly good at it. This is also a function of the general ineptitude of the deep state at winning any wars at all right now.
The scary thing is how high he could actually be. He's by no means the top of world power, but the fact that they chose him and allowed him to run shows how loose they are willing to play with the state of the world. Granted, they probably believe they could step in at any time, and I have no doubt that they could. It's just the sloppiness that indicates decay and definitely not what I think people mean when they "fascist". Generally, I think people mean high competence, which is a necessary factor of actual authoritarianism. At best, we have an uber wealthy elite that is content to shutdown dissent, unable to turn their nation into a loyal, happy, and productive class of slaves. We are slaves, but those of us with eyes can plainly see this.
>>2327397>>2327718It's not. Stating "America has always been fascist" diminishes what Fascism is structurally, as defined by the Comintern before WW2.
It's not simply racism or having a few genocidal henchmen as part of your administration.
Fascism is more like the final stage of bourgeois dictatorship. With the human face ripped off.
It's when (national) capital can only survive through perpetual war and violence, and the entire state is organized around this purpose. And the most loathsome sadistic elements are mobilized and given free reign against all forms of opposition, including communists.
>>2327397Saying the US was fascist at any time in the past is so mindbogglingly stupid.
>b-but Reagan was meanIn the US you could vocally disagree and protest Reagan, the Vietnam War, etc etc. Try doing analogous things in 1930s Germany, late 1930s-to-mid 1940s Japan, 1930s Italy, Hungary, Chile, Argentina, etc. Honestly Americans saying this shit is so stupid. "I'm in the anti-fascist resistance, just like the underground partisans against the Independent State of Croatia!" You're definitely like the people in Hue gunned down by Ngo Dinh Diem.
>b-but imperialist war, and racismThe bourgeoisie generally agrees on waging imperialist war, they generally agree on oppressing minorities, they generally agree on plundering the colonies. This is consistent across bourgeois states because even with freedom for the bourgeoisie to dissent, these are not the issues that are disagreed on. It is not what determines something is fascist or not. Fascism is when a bourgeois democratic system where bourgeois concerns are bickered about (which is something that is freely happening to this day, see the No Kings rally for an example of a rival bourgeois clique freely protesting against the ruling bourgeois clique) gives way a circle of financial capitalists who maintain a cobbled-together "unity" of the bourgeoisie, demanding discipline even from the bourgeoisie itself which normally wants to politically compete with each other over their petty differences.
The USA, UK, and France have never been fascist, excepting the Vichy regime.
>>2328126I agree, many previous fascist systems were preceded by the bourgeoisie trying to patch up their bourgeois democratic system for their purposes in a variety of ways before just scrapping the whole thing. But I think its wrong say, "We're here! It's fascism now!"
Now is just a time when the American bourgeoisie is trying to prune elements of the bourgeois democratic system that they think are hampering their goal of maintaining US military and financial domination around the world. If this doesn't work, perhaps in a several number of years they will rubbish the whole thing and erect a fascist state in its place. I don't discount that. But to say, "Our government is officially fascist now!" or even, "We have been fascist for who knows how long!" is nonsense.
>>2325953No, I don't agree.
America first is reheated jacksonian populism
>>2327777>With the human face ripped off.the most common word used to describe Zucc or other post-neoliberals is "soulless"
>national capital can only survive through perpetual war and violence, and the entire state is organized around this purposehttps://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-palantir-guide-to-saving-americas-soul>>2328118>In the US you could vocally disagree and protest Reagan, the Vietnam War, etc etc"If you ignore our holocaust, we're actually woke anti-racists who love the people trapped in our nazi ghettos!" Typical soy radlib
https://eji.org/news/nixon-war-on-drugs-designed-to-criminalize-black-people/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/ferguson-protest-leader-darren-seals-shot-dead-burning-car >>2330495I mean, here is a definition
https://iask.ai/q/Define-fascism-3rrdafg going point by point : 1) (America first) leftwing nationalism exists, Stalin was a patriot 2) (minorities) illegals, as long as the concept of countries exist, they won't be the same. 3) (deport political opponents) I don't recall it, but supposing he did, that would make him an authoritarian, but does that make him "fascist" ? 4) (support fascist state) does supporting something, means you are it ?, Nixon supported Mao against the USSR, does that makes him maoist ? 5) (beat protesters) again authoritarian 6) (cult of personality) at which point narcissism ends, and cult of personality begins ? Trump is a narcissist, but does he makes statues/portraits of himself and spreads it around ? 7) (expansionism) did he tho ? wanting to buy greenland isn't fascism 8) (obsessed with military) this one hits closer Can't we just call him an oligarch with authoritarian tendencies and call it a day ?
>>2327777This, burgers are having it bad but it is not
LE SCARY FASCISMUS, read this useless chart done by a liberal!!!. In turbulent times there are monsters and really it's all really mild comparing it to the historic precedents and what true Marxist theory shows.
>>2331341Germany was a modern imperialist state ruled by finance capital
What a stupid fucking forum
>>2331468nice buzzwords fag-o-tron
le imperialism is the stage of capital where monopoly capitalism is directed by finance capitalism. ignore that this pretty much applies to all fully capitalist countries today and says nothing about fascism as a specific moment in history LOL
>>2326037USA has to bribe BJP treatlerites or China will do it.
>>2327777>It's when (national) capital can only survive through perpetual war and violence, and the entire state is organized around this purpose. And the most loathsome sadistic elements are mobilized and given free reign against all forms of opposition, including communists.USA falls apart without MIC, anon.
>>2333306>to distract from ethnic replacement of whitesFact Check: Wrong.
There are more white people living in America today than there were 40 years ago.
>>2327777>Fascism is more like the final stage of bourgeois dictatorship. With the human face ripped off.Its not just because Trotsky said it.
>It's when (national) capital can only survive through perpetual war and violence, and the entire state is organized around this purpose. And the most loathsome sadistic elements are mobilized and given free reign against all forms of opposition, including communists.That's literally America before Trump idiot.
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