Why exactly do religions like Buddhism, Shintoism, and other eastern ideologies like bushido and Daoism encourage meditation and self mastery far more than religions like those belonging to abrahamism and western liberalism that preach mindless obedience, praying for miracles, and submission to authority? I swear, I cannot have been the only one to notice just how staggeringly more optimistic eastern religions and ideologies are in human intelligence than whatever garbage is coming out of Abrahamic and western thought.
>>2331338Funny, this thread was mainly against Christian’s more so than Islam given that they are even worse when it comes to not relying on their individual capacity to solve their problems.
>>2331340Really? You seem like you know a lot about these ideas more than I do. Please provide some context or even links on this.
>>2331329Christianity used to be a lot more obsessed with that. Some traditions still have monks be a very important aspect. Christianity developed more as a social control mechanism, when clearly Jesus preached a message a lot closer to Eastern monk traditions.
>Give up all your posessions>Help the poor>Don't get married or have sex>renounce violence, be an absolute pacifist>Renounce normal life altogether and dedicate your life to getting spiritual attainmentBut of course most people don't want to do that shit, so they kind of change the religion to be focused on how to live a normal Joe life better.
>>2331367>Those qualities seem to be more dedicated to impulse control and ascetism more than self mastery through integration with the self and mind (or whatever those ideas were discussing I didn’t understand them that well).The Yamas are considered the first step. You see the 8 limbs of yoga in pic 1? The yamas are the prepatory step to meditation and all that. So first you do the yamas, then you're ready to practice spirituality. Without even doing the yamas you can't really practice it, and people living a normal life aren't practicing the Yamas.
>1 Ahiṃsā (अहिंसा): Non-violence (literally "Non-harming")>2 Satya (सत्य): Truthfulness (Not lying); speech that is non-deceptive, non-distorted, and purposeful[14]>3 Asteya (अस्तेय): Not stealing>4 Brahmacharya (ब्रह्मचर्य): Chastity,[15] sexual restraint,[16] focus (not distracted)>5 Aparigraha (अपरिग्रहः): Non-avarice, non-possessiveness The idea that Jesus preached is the same as well and it is an aspect of the older Christian faiths, but they just moved farther and farther away from Jesus the spiritual guru towards Jesus the idol and icon, because they wanted to make the religion about moderating mundane life, when that's the opposite of what Jesus told people to do.
>>2331403Well which aspect? The similarities between Christ's message and the ascetic practice of Eastern religion?
Preaching chastity and against marriage:
<Jesus:>Jesus’ disciples then said to him, “If this is the case, it is better not to marry!”>11 “Not everyone can accept this statement,” Jesus said. “Only those whom God helps. 12Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some choose not to marry for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”<St. Paul>7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.<St. Jerome>: "It is good," he says, "for a man not to touch a woman." If it is good not to touch a woman, it is bad to touch one: for there is no opposite to goodness but badness. But if it be bad and the evil is pardoned, the reason for the concession is to prevent worse evil. But surely a thing which is only allowed because there may be something worse has only a slight degree of goodness. He would never have added "let each man have his own wife," unless he had previously used the words "but, because of fornications." Do away with fornication, and he will not say "let each man have his own wife." Just as though one were to lay it down: "It is good to feed on wheaten bread, and to eat the finest wheat flour," and yet to prevent a person pressed by hunger from devouring cow-dung, I may allow him to eat barley. Does it follow that the wheat will not have its peculiar purity, because such an one prefers barley to excrement? That is naturally good which does not admit of comparison with what is bad, and is not eclipsed because something else is preferred. At the same time we must notice the Apostle's prudence. He did not say, it is good not to have a wife: but, it is good not to touch a woman: as though there were danger even in the touch: as though he who touched her, would not escape from her who "hunts for the precious life," who causes the young man's understanding to fly away.On renunciation of possessions and wealth:
>16 And behold, one came and said unto Him, “Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”>17 And He said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the commandments.”>18 He said unto Him, “Which?” Jesus said, “‘Thou shalt do no murder; thou shalt not commit adultery; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not bear false witness;>19 honor thy father and thy mother; and, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’”>20 The young man said unto Him, “All these things have I kept from my youth up. What lack I yet?”>21 Jesus said unto him, “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in Heaven; and come and follow Me.”>22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.So the preliminary steps to the spiritual practice Christ preacherd are the same as the yams. Renouncing violence, theft, sex, and material possessions.
>>2331496I’m part of the way there.
I already consistently clean myself, home, train my body, work, and take care of my family when I have the energy. If I could fully quit porn I’d probably get to start by now.
>>2331499That's good. That's a big part of the message they preach is fulfilling your duties. The whole point to of the yamas, is you need to be free from all these emotions. Anger, fear, jealousy, horniness, etc. The Eastern traditions go more into the reasoning and the logic behind it but Christ did a little as well.
>“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.And Jesus also preached nonattachment to familial ties.
>46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
>48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”But there is also the debate about renunciation and non-attachment, that basically the non-attachment is the sole objective, and the renunciation is only a tool to reach non-attachment, so if you are non-attached, it is basically ok to do anything, the Arjuna thing from the Gita.
>In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna urges Arjuna to fulfill his duty (dharma) as a warrior, which is to fight in the war, despite his emotional distress and hesitation. Krishna explains that fulfilling one's duty, even if it involves difficult actions, is essential for upholding righteousness and maintaining cosmic order. Arjuna's duty, as a Kshatriya, is to fight for the right cause, and Krishna emphasizes that this action, when performed without attachment to the outcome, is a form of spiritual practice >>2331618Attachments draws you away from the divine. In the Buddhism that's what keeps you reincarnating and suffering, so only by letting go of attachment, can you be liberated from the cycle of reincarnating to try and achieve your desires/attachments.
Christianity also preaches non-attachment in a lot of the culture even it has the problems of not promoting the celibate ascetic route in many of the newer denominations.
>This world is not my home>I'm just a-passing through>My treasures are laid up>Somewhere beyond the blue>The angels beckon me>From heaven's open door>And I can't feel at home>In this world anymore >>2331329All religions are a means of social control you massive retard.
I hope for your sake this is a bait thread.
>>>/siberia/ >>2332843Western religion is when you think you are god.
Eastern religion is when you think you don't exist.
>>2333552>Eastern religion is when you think you don't exist.Well, that's pretty trivial.
>Western religion is when you think you are god.Sounds heretical
>>2331329Western religions try to give a reason for why we exist. Eastern religions try to give a reason to live.
Hope I helped, although I don't know, as I haven't read what you actually posted. Bye.
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