/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Why Israel is bad part @#$@234828348238427:

https://theconversation.com/itamar-ben-gvir-and-bezalel-smotrich-the-netanyahu-government-extremists-sanctioned-by-the-uk-258644

>>2332951
kahane may be the red line for israelis, but anyone legitimately left wing also takes issue with herzl, jabotinsky, naftali, stern, gurion, meir, etc. etc. basically all of them. israel was birthed in blood and butchery.

>the israeli left
lol, lmao at a stretch. best thing the present day israeli left could do is get their shit together and leave. let the land council and banks bleed out there really shouldn't be a way back from naked genocide. israel will never be rehabilitated into a global citizen.

>what about hadash the israeli communist party?
you mean the party that frequently gets its reps banned from official knesset functions? constitutionally (the state's, and because of that their own) they cannot move to the left of the two state solution. a policy specifically tailored to be impossible and act as a euphemism for maintaining the status quo for sickos with international relations degrees. I checked the headlines on their site and they're flexing a successful antiwar demonstration (they conducted in italy).

>wasn't israel socialist at the start?
wtf? no! there's no historical israeli left. the bundist socialists were originally anti-zionist (didn't know this for ages because the "bundist" groups in my area are closet jabotinskiiites or dedicated to the memory of golda meir as a girlboss). the kibbutzim were literal nazis that existed to scam stalin and other non-maoists: by all credible accounts they were the same armed goons that present day settlers are. they also converted their communes to private property when they chased off the indigenous population and consolidated their racial supremacy.

Why does no one ever mention Rav Avraham Kook in these discussions on Zionism? His ideology was far more dangerous, given that he was HEAVILY inspired by Hegel and German Idealism and based his Zionism on Hegel's philosophy?

That's far harder for anti-Zionists to counter than Rav Kahane's racial supremacist ramblings.

>>2333185
>check out this literal religious kook
>checkmate antizionists
can't make this shit up. fucking far right entryism. should change this thread's title to:
>ashke nazi nazi club

>>2333160
End of the day, the point is to point out to Israelis that Israel is Kahanist, you either fight it or leave, oppose Netanyahu, settlerism, take down the Gaza genocide, etc.

In practice, with literal Kahanists (who were responsible for Yitzhak Rabin's assassination) in the Netanyahu government, alongside the Gaza democide, it's extremely difficult to argue that Israel is not a Kahanist state, in the same way modern India is a Hindutva state, and should be opposed for that reason.

It's basically a way to discuss Israel as a spreading moral disaster without invoking ADL, because if ADL etc try to get involved, you can just plaster them with the Kahanist trope and everything Kahanism stands for.

The basic Maoist principle: divide your enemy.

>>2333210
I personally believe that what you're trying to do is direct energy and criticism away from the core problem (zionism) towards a more niche and symptomatic problem (kahanism). there are a number of reasons why this is stupid, allow me to enumerate them for you:

> liberal zionists blame kahanists for everything for the same reasons I stated above
> this is already a zionist talking point
> calling the netanyahu regieme kahanist is already a liberal zionist talking point
> there are no self-avowed kahanists
> to take this position you need to explain a distinction between zionism and kahanism to bystanders
> this creates a useless dialectic of "good zionist", "bad zionazi"
> this pretends that they're separate
> this hides that kahanism is the logical conclusion of zionist apartheid
> isolating israel and attacking its western partners and benefactors is already dividing our enemies
> allowing anti-kahanism distinct from anti-zionism is dividing our allies
> nobody gives a flying fuck what the Apartheid Defense League thinks
> letting our words be dictated by the ADL is lending power to a paper tiger

any questions?

>>2333228
So, I mean, you're for killing all Jews, right? The entire "death to Israel" narrative is a Zionist-supported suicide cult, because we can't get rid of Israel without triggering Samson.

Frankly speaking, an anti-Kahanist perspective is way more likely to achieve positive change in Israel, especially regarding its policies concerning Gaza, because you legitimize Israel, but not its policies and actions.

In other words, how do we know you're not a Mossad glowie trying to keep pro-Palestinian protesters and movements on a suicide route?

End of the day, Ben Givr coordinating the Gaza democide is 100% Kahanist. It is a fact that Israel is currently a Kahanist state, just as much as it is a Zionist Entity. If you want to fuck with Israel, point out that its policy is currently of a banned Israeli far-right political movement.

As we speak, Palestinians are dying. The stakes are too high to Sakai our way out.

>>2333277
of course a victim of Sakai head squats made this thread.

>>2333265
>implying I want to kill jews because I believe the state of israel is irredeemable
>implying that the dissolution of the knesset/apartheid state is an existential threat to jews
I see that I have successfully called you out, and I think you have outed yourself as a zionist infiltrator. that really didn't take very long at all: I was hoping you'd challenge me or at least hold up the charade for longer. I refuse to entertain your myopic doomsday delusions regarding truth and reconcilliation.

>samson option
the samson option is only an implied threat, it is not a strong threat. the day after committing the ultimate crime against humanity would be a bad one for israel. shit, the day after making it an explicit threat would be a bad day for israel.

>anti-kahanism will lead to a more positive outcome in israel-palestine
I have to ask why hasn't it then? if you spend more than 20 mins researching the discourse in the apartheid state and among the diaspora you find endless critiques of kahane and kahanism. his name is constantly used derogatively. why is everything fucked? why has israel followed through on all of his conclusions? I believe that this is the only possible outcome that fascism delivers.

>you legitimize israel
maybe that's your perspective. I don't think that living as the beneficiary of apartheid is a common one. I don't think that the average person would heed my words and feel any great positive feelings for israel.

>how could people know I'm not mossad trying to misguide people into suicide?
you're the one fantasizing about blowing me up with samson option nuclear bombs. I think that holding the line is a reasonable strategy. usrael has been in a bit of a tail spin.

>>2333277
>just doubling down, even can't use the term genocide
didn't even think democide was a real word. great thesaurus use.

>sakai
I never mentioned any labor aristocracy. I pointed out that the israeli left was marginal and ineffective, also that the kibbutzim tasked themselves with shooting palestinians. I don't need sakai to make these points:

> the netanyahu regime is comfortable handing out firearms to random civilians.
> arming civilians to assist a genocide was german nazi behaviour.
> using irregulars like this is also a war crime.
> this demonstrates that they don't think jewish israelis will conduct armed anti-fascist resistance.

>conclusion?
either you are delusional and think that israel will take an off ramp and things will go back to normal, or, you are full of shit and think that you can deceive people into supporting a peace process that brings us back to this exact same place a decade from now.

>
I see that I have successfully called you out, and I think you have outed yourself as a zionist infiltrator. that really didn't take very long at all: I was hoping you'd challenge me or at least hold up the charade for longer. I refuse to entertain your myopic doomsday delusions regarding truth and reconcilliation.

The real Zionist infiltrators are the one doing standard glow tactics, i.e, radicalization to uselessness and neutralization, i.e, you. Someone actually within the scene would be happy to say glowie or Mossad (or perhaps Shin Bet, but much less likely), but otherwise you'd go accuse me of being a Zionist because I acknowledge the practical reality that you might be able to reduce Israel (as I'd prefer, 1967 borders), but you're not driving the Jews into the sea.

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the samson option is only an implied threat, it is not a strong threat. the day after committing the ultimate crime against humanity would be a bad one for israel. shit, the day after making it an explicit threat would be a bad day for israel.

The Israelis have already committed democide. Do you really think the Israelis won't just death cult the Jewish Messiah or something while murdering everyone?

>
I have to ask why hasn't it then? if you spend more than 20 mins researching the discourse in the apartheid state and among the diaspora you find endless critiques of kahane and kahanism. his name is constantly used derogatively. why is everything fucked? why has israel followed through on all of his conclusions? I believe that this is the only possible outcome that fascism delivers.

The problem is that anti-Kahanism is a real Israeli political tendency, i.e, the position of the remnants of the left and a bit of the Israeli center. If you want to engage with the Israeli left as opposed to simply saying they're all fascists, you pull an anti-Kahanist line. This is why I'm pushing it, first, because you can push for Palestinian justice without letting the Jewish lobby and Jewish-influenced media from smashing you as an antisemite, and second, because you can link up with Israeli nationals who actually can vote, or even take up arms against the settler-colonialist state, and who can make authentic change.

To put it another way, when the Japanese invaded China, a ton of EoJ troops changed sides, stole ammo, or whatever, whereas we see ZILCH of this kind of conscientious action in Israel. Why is this?

>
maybe that's your perspective. I don't think that living as the beneficiary of apartheid is a common one. I don't think that the average person would heed my words and feel any great positive feelings for israel.

Hello, Mossad glowie.

>didn't even think democide was a real word. great thesaurus use.

Genocide is politically charged. Democide is extremely simple, is Israel responsible for likely 50-300k Palestinian deaths? You don't even need intent, it's just a question of what happened.

>either you are delusional and think that israel will take an off ramp and things will go back to normal, or, you are full of shit and think that you can deceive people into supporting a peace process that brings us back to this exact same place a decade from now.

Or, we can look at the fact that the Arabs have had more than 70 years to put down Israel, and the end stage is that Israel is nuclear, that without Chinese support, all of the Arab states would be either in the Israeli pocket or cowering before Israeli arms.

You either aim for valid, practical change, or you choose the useless option wherein the only positive you can enjoy is that you killed Jews, while they get a ridiculous K:D against you.

>>2333312
>radicalization to uselessness and neutralization
I would strongly advise any third party reading this thread to take this bloke as a negative example and use the word "genocide" to describe the crimes in gaza, and also to attend any local demonstrations for palestine.

>israelis already commited mass-unaliving, do you think they wouldn't somthing something messiah samson option?
I don't think we can effectively reason with genocidal apartheid states. when they do come to the table they're running the clock. if we take that as a given: either they're going to drop the bomb, or they're going to pussy out. we have no control. what we can do is enforce their pariah status and hope that leads to forcible disarmament.

>anti-Kahanism is a real Israeli political tendency
except they're in power and the centrists fell in line. "anti-kahanism" appears to be glib lip service to liberal sensibilities. not a concern now the libtard mask has fully slipped and destrato is fully engaged. where is your theory of power for "antika"? netanyahu has suspended elections indefinitely. which israeli nationals would I link up with? hamas and their affiliates are the only resistance factions.

>why are there are no antifascist partisans in israel?
because it's a settler colonial apartheid state. its citizenry largely self-selected to either actively settle or passively consume the benefits. the economy is 100% built on theft: either directly through settlement, or the security services, or indirectly in the arms trade.

>"genocide" is politically charged
so is killing hundreds of thousands of people, dropping 900kg bombs on refugees, using aid trucks to bait starving civilians into killzones. "democide" is the dumbest fucking word I have ever fucking heard from any knuckle dragging fascist that has come to this forum to waste our collective time. the ICJ uses genocide, it is the proper term.

I don't believe we need to pander to israeli sensibilities because I don't believe that israelis are going to police themselves

>the only positive you can enjoy is that you killed Jews, while they get a ridiculous K:D against you
you are a fucking pig and you will live in fear from now until the end of time. I don't care about your concern trolling, you have to digest the possibility of facing the ICC for the exact same crime the cunts that killed your grandparents did.

>>2333363
>I would strongly advise any third party reading this thread to take this bloke as a negative example and use the word "genocide" to describe the crimes in gaza, and also to attend any local demonstrations for palestine.

Remember to burn effigies of both Netanyahu and Kahane, as well as to take your Jewish friends with you.

>I don't think we can effectively reason with genocidal apartheid states. when they do come to the table they're running the clock. if we take that as a given: either they're going to drop the bomb, or they're going to pussy out. we have no control. what we can do is enforce their pariah status and hope that leads to forcible disarmament.

End of the day, you need someone to negotiate with, and a supported and allied Israeli left is your best way to break Kahanist Israel. Even if you want to BDS, having a white-listing procedure of what BDS-ed companies have to do to get off the list is useful.

>except they're in power and the centrists fell in line. "anti-kahanism" appears to be glib lip service to liberal sensibilities. not a concern now the libtard mask has fully slipped and destrato is fully engaged. where is your theory of power for "antika"? netanyahu has suspended elections indefinitely. which israeli nationals would I link up with? hamas and their affiliates are the only resistance factions.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/18/israels-gantz-demands-gaza-post-war-plan-threathens-to-quit-govt

You have to deal with the hand you have. All you have with Hamas and Hezbollah is endless violence, for a force that wants its own ethnic cleansing (I'm fine with settlers gone, and Israel pushed back to 1967, mind you, but pushing them all out is nuts).

>so is killing hundreds of thousands of people, dropping 900kg bombs on refugees, using aid trucks to bait starving civilians into killzones. "democide" is the dumbest fucking word I have ever fucking heard from any knuckle dragging fascist that has come to this forum to waste our collective time. the ICJ uses genocide, it is the proper term.

>I don't believe we need to pander to israeli sensibilities because I don't believe that israelis are going to police themselves

Jamesian sentimentalism, man. Yes, everyone is angry, yes, everyone has very good reasons to be angry, but what changes can you make to effect change?

BDS, protests, etc are important in so far to create a hammer, but you also need an anvil in the paltry remains of the Israeli left for them to absorb the political changes in Israel once it's obvious that Israel cannot continue as is.

>you are a fucking pig and you will live in fear from now until the end of time. I don't care about your concern trolling, you have to digest the possibility of facing the ICC for the exact same crime the cunts that killed your grandparents did.

I'm not Jewish, and I'm proud of having revolutionary relatives.

>>2333513
>Remember to burn effigies of both Netanyahu and Kahane
reminder: you're the one that thinks that israel can burn a few monsters to ablate their sins and emerge clean.

>you need someone to negotiate with
how about the sponsors in europe and america?

>how would one get off the bds list
surefire way: reincorporate overseas, denounce apartheid. the bds website is exceptionally clear about what it wants its target companies to do.

>benny gantz, antika hero
no bro. brooooooooo. don't! no! not the defense minister! he's criminally culpable for the genocide! you're putting forward a war criminal as a moderate bro! broooooo!
https://law4palestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Database-of-Israeli-Incitement-to-Genocide-including-after-ICJ-order-27th-February-2024-.pdf

>pushing them out is nuts
while they deserve a nice long timeout in labor camps rebuilding the country they destroyed. realistically when the shit hits the fan they're going to tripping over themselves to get on the first plane out of ben gurion spreading their ugly racist politics all over the west way the saffers did.

>everyone is angry, yes, everyone has very good reasons to be angry, but what changes can you make to effect change?
cut off the money, with both my personal choices and through collective action

>proud of my revolutionary relatives
I don't know if they're proud of you. you think I missed the implicit kapo slur you opened your post with?

>>2332951
>It's a safer way to say anti-Zionist while still being able to have the Israeli left on your side,
What's the point of having like 5 people on your side?

>>2333265
>So, I mean, you're for killing all Jews, right?
Kys, zionazi rat

>>2333583
>reminder: you're the one that thinks that israel can burn a few monsters to ablate their sins and emerge clean.
I'm the one that thinks blaming Kahanism (which includes Netanyahu and the entire current Israeli policy direction, and a ton of Israeli politicians) is the way out; i.e, throw them out, if you don't want to ICC them, try them yourself for effective treason.

>how about the sponsors in europe and america?

The final decision is made by Israel; Israel can survive for a long time as a pariah state, consider North Korea.

>no bro. brooooooooo. don't! no! not the defense minister! he's criminally culpable for the genocide! you're putting forward a war criminal as a moderate bro! broooooo!
>https://law4palestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Database-of-Israeli-Incitement-to-Genocide-including-after-ICJ-order-27th-February-2024-.pdf

Anyone but Netanyahu at this point. Get rid of him, put him in handcuffs, publicly execute him. Israel needs to do a 180, and Gantz is cleaner.

>while they deserve a nice long timeout in labor camps rebuilding the country they destroyed. realistically when the shit hits the fan they're going to tripping over themselves to get on the first plane out of ben gurion spreading their ugly racist politics all over the west way the saffers did.

Realistically I support 10% of Israeli GDP being diverted for 50 years as reparations to Palestinians. But you need a peace negotiation of some sort. The Israeli left and center are the only way you can get that.

>cut off the money, with both my personal choices and through collective action

Good luck with that, Apple, Intel, AMD, Arm, all do research in Israel. Israel is middle-manned and BDS is "good enough" activity.

>I don't know if they're proud of you. you think I missed the implicit kapo slur you opened your post with?
I'm reflecting their foreign policy, which is relatively pro-Israeli while being very pro-Palestinian as well, and pro-Iranian to boot.

Israel cannot be destroyed, there are too many people who've had their grandparents be born there. It has to be brought to heel, yes, but you still need Israelis to vote for surrender agreements. Look at the South African model, learn from its failures, and fix the situation.

>>2333674
>Anyone but Netanyahu at this point
You're actually retarded if you think this matters at all, Gantz is just as much of a blood thirsty war criminal as Bibi is. The rot goes deep in that society

>>2333674
>if you don't want to ICC them, try them yourself
I see you found the gaping hole in the rome statute. incredible you don't see how it's such a low bar to trip on. thing is, an off ramp is not a durable solution.

>israel can survive as a pariah state indefinitely like north korea
I don't know what kind of western propaganda that you're high on but there are no isolated independent pariah states. iran is pushing a $1.6T economy exporting produce, cars, and arms. north korea fought with the PLA against imperial japan, they have deep cultural and economic ties. israel is already a pariah state, losing their patrons is fatal.

>gantz is cleaner
barely. shitheads like you always try to slide war criminals in as tolerable successors. if you're going to try and larp as a left-zionist why not shill Ayman Odeh or someone hassan would like?

>good luck with bds
where'd that intel foundry go? where's puma? I noticed that buyisraelitech.com got taken down, when I pulled it from archive.org nearly all of the companies listed on it had reincorporated in the UK or california and paid PR to scrub references to them being israeli from the web.

>Israelis never die
deport them to rhodesia lol

this dude needs to hurry the fuck up. I get he's got a couple hundred threads and chatgpt tabs open at once but this is actually boring. it's not like I haven't heard all this shit before.

>>2332951
>Nooooo zionism is not the problem only this fringe more unhinged version of it

No

>>2333839
Cabinet Level:

Itamar Ben-Gvir - National Security Minister (controls police) - Literal Kahane youth coordinator
Bezalel Smotrich - Finance Minister + Defense Ministry authority over West Bank
Amichai Eliyahu - Heritage Minister (suggested nuking Gaza)
Orit Strook - Minister of Settlements and National Missions
Yitzhak Wasserlauf - Minister for Negev/Galilee Development (former Kahane youth activist)

>>2333865
Different this time, no? Active exterminationist ideology. I see Netanyahu as akin to Modi; he played aggressively but is at the Iranian firewall with implicit Chinese intervention.

>>2332951
>while still being able to have the Israeli left on your side
Any Israeli leftist who gets offended by using the term Zionism to describe support for the historic and present actions of the state of Israel is a liberal, if not openly a fascist.

>>2333883
End of the day, do you care more about the Palestinians, with actual Israeli anti-war rallies that are much more likely to topple the Netanyahu regime, or do you care about driving the Jews to the sea?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/23/no-soldiers-no-occupation-israels-anti-war-protests-small-but-growing

>>2333878
>different now
nope, israel has always been evil
>bombing gaza every year when western journalists were on christmas break
>operation cast lead
>sabra and shatila massacres
>shooting up the original freedom flotilla
>shooting up the march of return
I reckon it's just that this time you posted your crimes to instagram

>>2333894
Ehhh, scale has substantially increased. In other words, are you saying Gaza isn't special, because we're looking at over 150k dead due to Israeli starvation?

Put another way, do you see the Nakba as morally worse than Gaza?

>>2333908
Who cares? The point is that the current moment is just the latest and most exacerbated version of what israel has been doing for over 70 years. Khahanists are nothing special, just the logical endpoint of their racist, colonialist, ethnonationalist ideology

>>2333890
end of the day jew, dude you never responded to >>2333783

anyway, when I did a cursory background search on stand together I learned informed they're a liberal organization that's whitewashing the genocide. shocking that a group led by israelis and not palestians is completely full of shit!

https://bdsmovement.net/standing-together-normalization

I guess it's time for you to get in the fucking sea.

>>2333908
it's all the nakba. it's one neverending holocaust that your country is comitting for probably the same reason some CSA survivors victimise others and perpetuate their abuse.

>>2333890
I agree that blaming it all on Bibi and his ilk, would be a way forward for Israelis. A way to cope, to look in the mirror and say They were tricked. It would at least prevents them from doubling down. But that's all it would really do. Palestinians would still not have their basic human rights ensured.
Also, I find the assumption that a genocide could be stopped if people half way across the world did more tone policing ridiculous.
What's next, should I stop using the term Palestinian? After all the term is pretty controversial in Israel. Maybe I should call Palestinians living in the west bank "Arab citizens of Judea en Samaria". What would you think of that? Will it make it so the libs care enough to give them basic human rights?

>>2333928
israeli fascism really, really fucks with me.

the white supremacist far right magatards are constantly hateful and hurtful. they're always in this edgy self defeating rage and it's not that threatening.

the gentle but insistent israeli fascism that begs to be validated for every atrocity they commit is unsettling. I don't like that they want me to hear the lived experience that motivates their war crimes. it is grotesque to hear about community working bees organized to fill magazines and plate carriers before a massacre. it is surreal to read stories about teaching yoga and meditation to soldiers that murder and disfigure children for sport.

>>2333917
I mean the ultra-left anti-Zionist position isn't even useful, it's likely Mossad recycling Iranian propaganda to delegitimate the Western left.

The practical point of pinning Israel as Kahanist is because it's more descriptive of what's specifically going on; straight Zionist Israel might be terrible because of the Nakba, but there are at least reasonably unreasonable people to talk to and to argue with.

Kahanist Israel, on the other hand, the only thing you can really do with them is to BDS them and Fattah-2.

The Nakba, mind you, never saw more than 10k dead Palestinians, despite massive displacement. What's going on in Gaza is between democide and genocide (I resent the use of the term genocide, because it represents politicization; remember the legendary Israeli holocaust shield wherein everything they do is okay because otherwise you're Hitler).

>>2333920
I know that Leftypol is an extremist vent-chamber, but I'd like to think that there are still serious leftists here, who are willing to make alliance with the Israeli left and see them as a primary vector of change even if our hearts lie with Hamas and Iran.

Anything else is essentially wrecker behavior given Israeli dominance and the effective neglect of Palestinians by the major powers (China is doing the most, but they also are invested in Israeli settler construction firms).

>>2336374
>>2336378
this is what you do that makes you seem real fucking fake:
>drawing a line between the gaza genocide and the nakba like one isn't a part of the other
>prioritize and centralize the views and interests of the genociders
>whenever you're drawn on policy you offer clown shit like putting wanted war criminals forward as interim leaders
>quibble over language rather than addressing issues directly
>talk like chatgpt

>>2336604
And what makes you sound glow is that you favor suicidal resistance when the Israelis just slaughter Arabs.
No, Gaza is something distinct from Nakba, and especially for foreign participants this has glow radicalization all over it.

Either work with Israeli leftists or get crushed. Because it makes sense for Muslim insurgents when they can look forward to the coming of the Mahdi or whatever the Sunni equivalent is, that if Samson makes you Posadist it's no big deal, but it is a big deal for actual Communists who need to realize a living Communist society, not a fascist one where the Israelis and the Diaspora control capital, or a dead one where tech lords nuked the planet and flew off to Mars.

If you actually look at how Israel works, Arab and Muslim slaves provide a hated enemy to hold Israel together. That is the nature of the modern Kahanist polity. By giving Israel no quarter, we reinforce Jewish paranoia and solidarity when what we need is for Israeli elites to split and leave a sufficient opening that we can push in and make our power felt.

The level of material and superstructural analysis you sport is basically Nazi, which is why I see you as glow.

>>2336688
>>2336696
>can't give a good reason for centering abusers over survivors
>I'll just repeat it
>this time I'm gonna add orientalist racism
>also ur a nazi
I get what you're trying to do. but it's really silly.

palestinians are humans with human rights
equal justice under international law is not radical

these are two simple moral checkpoints you're failing to clear. you keep banging on about the israeli left. if they can't clear these moral checkpoints either then they're not actually on the left and they can forget about solidarity.

>because it makes sense
another grave problem with your discourse is that you're pretending to be removed from the situation but that's obviously false.
<sorry boys
<I ran the numbers and we need to work with rapist murderers
<I wish we didn't have to
<you know I don't like rapist murderers
<it is what it is
<I'm just being objective
you're not a voice from nowhere. you obviously have a dog in this fight: the mask keeps slipping.

>>2336885
I mean, end of the day, this isn't even campism (and mind you, I take the Russian and Chinese side), it's just ridiculous glowposting.

And yes, we've worked with bandits in the past (Mao), and the Soviet Union signed Molotov-Ribbentrop with literal fucking Nazis to get the Nazis to hit the West before they went for the Soviet Union.

Your sense of moral disgust, when it distorts strategy and efficacy, is basically extremely liberal, and moreover, if you're okay with Hezbollah and Hamas attacks on civilians (I'm personally fine with looking the other way), you're being hypocritical.

Anyways, back to Haaretz-posting:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2025-02-18/ty-article-opinion/kahanes-vision-of-ethnic-cleansing-lives-on-in-netanyahu/00000195-1aa4-db93-afdd-beaf3f2c0000

>>2336906
>meta
I appreciate you're trying now. really abusing the lexicon and alt history to come up with twisty lies. I wonder if this means I brain broke the bot and I got an agent. you also dropped the affirmative botspeak.

>that aint campism
yeah, principles. try them.

>reheated molotov-ribbentrop slander
in spite of the deal the USSR rapidly scaled up military production and still barely halted the nazis at stalingrad. after turning it around they liberated the death camps because the holocaust happened on the eastern front. show a little gratitude.

>strategy and efficacy
what year is it? the soviets compromised with the nazis after czechoslovakia, they didn't compromise with the nazis after stalingrad. israel is losing hard by every metric:

>economic: brain drain, credit failure, labor shortage, loss of contracts
>legal: ICJ ruling is creeping up
>IR: pariah state
>tactical: their missile defence, security guarantees, and arms advantage gone
>propaganda: everyone under 35 hates israel

>moral disgust
you betray yourself with this critique: it speaks to motive. you're advocating for the precise opposite of liberation: normalization with the apartheid state.

>civilians
if they're armed or otherwise participating in hostilities they lose their protected status and it's a war crime to field them not shoot them. which reminds me I forgot another metric you're losing on:

>morally: you can't lecture anybody about targeting civilians dickhead

>>2336374
>I mean the ultra-left anti-Zionist position isn't even useful, it's likely Mossad recycling Iranian propaganda to delegitimate the Western left.

You're actually retarded if you think this. The one state solution (the anti Zionist position) has been gaining traction ever since Oslo, precisely because of the failures of those accords and especially now that it has escalated to full scale genocide. It has nothing to do with Iranian propaganda you ziorat troglodyte

>The practical point of pinning Israel as Kahanist is because it's more descriptive of what's specifically going on;
But it's not more descriptive at all, nor is it useful in any way

>straight Zionist Israel might be terrible because of the Nakba
No Zionism is terrible because of the nakba and everything before and since, why do you keep insisting to separate Israel into different compartments, as if it's not all part of the same thing? Is it because you're a zionazi rat trying to shift blame for the genocide to these "extremist" Khahanists?


>ut there are at least reasonably unreasonable people to talk to and to argue with.
Like who? They all seem like genocidal racists to me. 93% of them agree fully with what their government is doing in Gaza, so what's there really to argue about with them?

>The Nakba, mind you, never saw more than 10k dead Palestinians, despite massive displacement.
So? It was not necessary to kill that many because they could just gruesomely massacre that 10 000 and the rest would flee in terror
>What's going on in Gaza is between democide and genocide (I resent the use of the term genocide, because it represents politicization; remember the legendary Israeli holocaust shield wherein everything they do is okay because otherwise you're Hitler)
Thanks for that incredibly boring information about your retarded thoughts on the word genocide
In conclusion: You are a retarded ziorat and you should kill yourself

Tsav 9 ] is a right-wing organization based in Israel, formed by some of the families of people taken hostage by Hamas fighters from the Gaza Strip on 7 October 2023 and their supporters with alleged ties to the Israel army reservists and Jewish settlers in the West Bank. It has an estimated membership count of over 400 people. The group has been involved in protests and actions against the delivery of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsav_9
>https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%90%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A2_%D7%9C%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%AA_%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%94
brazil article on baruch goldstein's "hero worship"
>https://www.brasil247.com/mundo/como-goldstein-virou-heroi-da-extrema-direita-israelense

Iranian Jewish leaders urge 'daily missile salvos' against Israel

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-857895

"The Zionists' brutality, which is far from any human morality and has caused the martyrdom of a number of our beloved compatriots, including innocent children, has hurt all of our hearts."

ByZVIKA KLEIN
JUNE 16, 2025 11:45
Updated: JUNE 16, 2025 14:01

Iran's two principal Jewish institutions have issued unusually strident statements condemning last weekend's Israeli air-raids on Tehran, Natanz and other sites, describing the operation as "savage Zionist aggression" and demanding that the Islamic Republic reply with overwhelming force. The comments appeared only in state-aligned Persian media.

"The Zionists' brutality, which is far from any human morality and has caused the martyrdom of a number of our beloved compatriots, including innocent children, has hurt all of our hearts," the Jewish Association and Community of Isfahan wrote in a statement provided to the official Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) on Sunday evening.

Offering condolences for seven senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders and nuclear scientists it claims were killed in the strikes, the association added: "We are confident that proud and honourable Iran will give a crushing and regret-inducing response that will make the Zionist regime repent its shameful deeds."

IRNA reminded readers that "the history of the presence of Jews in Iran dates back more than three thousand years," putting today's Jewish population at "about three thousand" – a figure well below the 8,000-10,000 estimated by most demographers.

Beth Din spokesman: assaults 'unjust and criminal'

Dr. Younes Hamami Lalezar, spokesman for the Beth Din (religious court) of the Tehran Jewish Committee, used still sharper language, calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's decision "unjust and criminal" and writing that the "murder of civilians, women and children by the criminal Zionist regime and the evil Netanyahu must be met with decisive force."

Hamami stressed that Iranian Jews "have always been part of this great nation and will never fail to defend our homeland."

Homayoun Sameyah Najafabadi, the community's sole representative in Iran's Majlis, declared in an open letter carried by the IRGC-linked Tasnim News Agency that "daily launches of thousands of drones and missiles would be the least appropriate reply" to Israel's operation.

A separate Tasnim report quoted Sameyah as saying the attacks proved Israel to be a "savage, child-killing regime" and urged Iran to deliver a lesson that would be "unforgettable."

Missile claims and wider escalation
The Isfahan Jewish statement repeated IRGC claims that the third phase of Iran's ongoing retaliation – Operation True Promise 3 – had already doubled the number of missiles fired at Israel and targeted sites "three times larger" than in earlier waves. IRNA further asserted that seven Iranian Qiyam missiles landed near Tiberias and Kiryat Shmona in northern Israel. These details could not be independently verified, and Israel's military has acknowledged only limited damage from the barrages.

Israel has said its own sorties struck Quds Force command centres, air-defence batteries and nuclear-related facilities that posed an "imminent existential threat." Washington has urged both sides to de-escalate.
Millennia-old roots, dramatic decline

Jews have lived on Iranian soil for more than 2,500 years—one of the world's oldest continuous Diaspora communities. The Hebrew Bible places Queen Esther and Mordechai in the Achaemenid capital of Susa, and Cyrus the Great's 539 BCE edict freeing the Judeans from Babylonian captivity is still revered as a landmark of religious tolerance. Jewish colonies later spread across Hamadan, Shiraz and Isfahan, surviving successive Parthian, Sassanian and Islamic dynasties, and by the mid-20th century the community peaked at an estimated 140,000–150,000 under the Pahlavi shahs. The 1979 Islamic Revolution triggered a mass exodus—mainly to Israel and the United States—leaving today's Jewish population inside Iran somewhere between the Iranian census figure of roughly 3,000 and scholars' estimate of 8,000-10,000, with the largest concentrations in Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz.

Via some Chinat boards.

Yes, Israel is a genocidal, fascist state. The name for its particular fascist ideology is Kahanism. Please consider trying to push for de-Kahanizing Israel with occupation, if you want something extreme.

>>2339381
a nazi is a nazi is a nazi. you're not special. sorry about ur grandparents.

kill all israelis

>>2332951
I love the fact that you're probably not a glowie and just trolling. Like you're genuinely into diverting other people's attention. You're probably Israeli yourself

>>2340411
I'm not even trolling. I'm being serious because you can say all the anti-Zionist stuff you want, as long as you say it's anti-Kahanist and targeted at an obviously Kahanist Israel where between 65 and 83% of the population support ethnically cleansing Palestinians.

More anti-Kahanist content. You might see this as plain Zionism, but I'm invoking the Maoist principle of "No investigation, no right to speak". Israel is de facto a Kahanist country, not just a Zionist country. Zionists vs Kahanists, Zionists like to eat with cutlery and wear clothes. Kahanists just like killing Arabs.

There is a huge difference between the Israel of Rabin's time and Netanyahu's Israel; the former was extremely close to establishing a two-state solution as a norm, while the latter does Gaza.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People

This is a 2018 "innovation".

>>2341761
sorry but the accords were a fucking bullshit deal that was never intended to be honored anyway. the settler movement started pretty much as soon as the 67 borders were decided and there doesn't seem to have been any meaningful effort to contain it. wouldn't you have a better time posting these idiot lies somewhere where people are dumb enough to believe them?

>>2341771
it's the same fucking people this time too. that fucking witch daniela weiss, guess what? her parents were in lehi. genocide as a bloody family business?

cooked.

the peaceful kind gentle rabin

>Rabin ordered group expulsions, initiated the infamous break-their-bones policy against demonstrators, closed all Palestinian schools for much of his tenure, and permitted the military to operate under broad open-fire regulations.

>During the election campaign, Likud answered Rabin’s criticism of its handling of the intifada by pointing with pride to the “success” of its lethal undercover units. These special army units were set up secretly under Rabin’s authority. They were expanded and made public by Arens. The undercover units have been known to be active in the West Bank and Gaza since at least April 1988, when one unit was responsible for a triple killing in Gaza during an arrest operation that went awry. [2] At the time Rabin strongly denied the formation of what foreign and Israeli journalists were publicly calling “death squads.”

>Since then, these units have been responsible for killing more than 100 Palestinians in a variety of circumstances ranging from outright summary execution to sloppiness and use of excessive fire.

https://merip.org/1992/09/yitzhak-rabin-and-israels-death-squads/