/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

whats the point of this thread

any conditions allowing for me to vote for op being decapitated are satisfactory

i will be doing as i please, whether or not this has a democratic character is does not interest me.

>>2335983
Why do we still have discussions on this? If you want a society where people have any control over their lives, make the average person strong enough to take control over their lives by promoting physical strength, self defence, and personal decision making.
Asking people to select among themselves who will be the one involving in controlling others and stealing from other peoples money is asking for problems regardless if the people have a say in the outcome.

soldiers and members of the guild party thingy

Liberal democracy is shit. Fuck Political parties, and voting.

>>2335983
When the dictatorship of the proletariat is installed, there is normally a need to consolidate power against reactionaries, capitalists, landowners and counterrevolutionaries in the popular councils to begin planning and expropriations. Therefore, private property owners will be marginalized and then extinguished in expropriations, occupations, nationalizations and confiscations. With this, those who will participate will be proletarians, soldiers, peasants and other groups of workers such as semi-proletarians, self-employed, petty bourgeoisie, intelligentsia among other types, while capital owners will receive participation after becoming workers. Remembering that the proletariat is the revolutionary class and everyone must act with what they have in common with the proletarian class where it acquires and maintains its political domination. Every threat that does not recognize the supremacy of the proletarian class in the dictatorship of the proletariat is an enemy that will be punished and re-educated if it accepts surrendering to the new ruling class or will suffer the consequences as counterrevolutionaries for preventing the socialization of the economy for national economic planning.

<The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

<Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

<These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

<Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

<Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

<A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

<Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

<Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

<Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

<Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

<Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

<Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

<Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

<Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

<When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

<In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848)

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

>>2336025
Irrelevant but not the worst rant I've seen today.

>>2336107
Yes but not sure why you brought up $liberal democracy$, no-one else did.

>>2336234
>Remembering that the proletariat is the= revolutionary class
PRC disproved that in a big way, but go on.
>the rest
What is your reasoning for letting the proletariat vote? What intrinsically makes them useful to the decision making process? (there are correct answers to this question)

>>2336970
The proletariat is the revolutionary subject to abolish social classes, communists are the advanced sector of the working class that pushes the working classes together with the proletariat to acquire dominance to begin the socialization of the economy by abolishing private property and the anarchy of production.

You must remember that there are revolutionary forces in the intelligentsia, petty bourgeoisie and peasants, but without acting with the leadership and direction with which they have in common with the proletariat because these working classes are confused and isolated because the impoverished peasant does not share the same interest with the prosperous peasant and the petty bourgeois artisan does not share with the petty bourgeois trying to accumulate capital wanting to become a complete capitalist and this is a problem with social classes that become confused due to competition, the intelligentsia if it does not continue to act according to the interests of the proletariat it begins to create idealisms due to the distance from the means of production making several mistakes creating abstractions and superstitions of the bourgeois state.

What I explained also applies to Mao's China, even though the proletariat is a minority, it creates the conditions to guide the other working classes by focusing on its revolutionary elements to establish the dictatorship of the proletariat to collectivize and socialize the economy. The proletariat has the best capacity for solidarity and to act together, unlike the tendencies of the other working classes that can fall apart without direction and be co-opted by the bourgeoisie, aristocrats, reformists and reactionaries for individualism or the search for a "savior hero". Therefore, they must act with what they share with the proletariat or they will be just puppets of the bourgeoisie and later be discarded and ruined in the competition of the capitalist market. The popular councils will be formed to remove the separation of economics and politics and to give the masses the taste for ever more radicalization, destroying all illusions of the bourgeois state, but do not worry because all the working classes have chosen their delegates who will inform and coordinate together for the planning of the economy united in association abolishing competition, the owners of private property will eventually become workers like the others and will have their antisocial bourgeois individualist tendencies corrected in re-education depending on how much they cooperate or surrender to proletarian democracy. The proletariat is following its irreconcilable class interests with the capitalist class, no other reason is needed because the entire population will be participating in the popular councils by abolishing the social classes of the exploiters.

>>2335983
Something between the Soviet Union and Switzerland. There'd be an executive council of seven or so people responsible for managing state-run enterprises (things that are corporations under capitalism), checked by a participatory legislature chosen by sortition. In order for a law to pass, it needs to gain the approval of both a majority of the legislature, and all members of the executive. There'd also be an independent judiciary in there somewhere to make sure that procedure is followed and laws are obeyed.

If that sounds vague, don't worry, it is. I don't have an exact system worked out, and it's because the important part is less the system itself, and more the end I hope to achieve with it, which is to rectify the problems with the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union got a lot right, but it was designed in a topheavy, bureaucratic way that allowed it to eventually collapse in on itself when its leadership betrayed it. My hope is to introduce systems where something like
>yeah, we feel like disbanding the Soviet Union
simply couldn't happen because there's too many organizational chokepoints for it to be realistically possible.

>>2335983
There will be no elections. People will candidate for party membership and will have to climb the ranks by devoting spare time to the party and producing achievements.

This is basically the Chinese model, except I would strictly separate the judiciary from the legislative branch, with a supreme court overseeing the respect of the constitution, as to avoid arbitrary power grab and corruption.

>>2347604
Honestly, what I (>>2347473) want is basically the same thing as you, but with laws needing to pass an additional vote from a random selection of citizens so as to add an additional layer of anti-corruption.

Your local workers' council nominates you for elections, if they find you worthy. Your face gets posted on the people's election website next to your workplace achievements, public statements and commendations/criticisms by other workers. The locality goes on to vote on a proportional list while consulting every candidate's rep sheets, if you are #1 you move on to the next (borough>town>city>oblast>SSR) level, if you're #2 you drop out but become the local borough foreman or something like that. The top votes keep going upwards until they form a national Supreme Council that produces key laws and elects from their number a sitting presidium that overviews the economic plan for the rest of the year.

r8 I'm drunk

Hapeshire will repent. It's for the necessity of it.

>>2348002

Pog I'm way drunker than yew