/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Trotsky writes a spur of the moment letter due to frustrations with debates and then 8 years later admits he was wrong. What is there to complain about. If only Stalin was able to course correct so quickly.

He's totally correct?

>party splits
>trotsky critiques faction
>regrets their shit take later
oh noes!!1!
Imagine if you did this shit with every time Lenin zig-zagged, you'd be dizzy just typing. Start with the Narodnik years.

In case you are a retard, and I really hope and suspect you aren't, people change their mind and following a school of thought doesn't mean you uncritically simp for everything a person has ever said - that would be a ridiculous and self-contradictory endeavour.

Not a trotsky sympathizer in any way but 8 years is long enough to change your mind. What were you doing 8 years ago?

>>2337293
His "critiques" were bourgeois attack to destroy proletariat party

>>2337354
Trotsky was calling for collectivizing agriculture during at time when Stalin was still supporting the NEP lol

OP is a bourgeois post.

>>2337148
>>2337293
>>2337359
You guys should be aware by now that the standard for online Stalinoids (i.e. faux MLs that are turbo retards and apply no Marxist analysis) is to demand that everybody see the correct position with perfect clarity from day one, with all the benefits that 100+ years of hindsight now grant us. Pay no attention to the fact that neither Lenin nor Stalin did this and often changed their positions when their previous ones proved to be incorrect or misguided. Had a disagreement with Lenin about literally anything at any time? Had doubts about the feasibility of revolution in 1917? Thought that collectivization and rapid industrialization would fail in 1929? These are all just proof that you were actually a secret Nazi the whole time, even if you joined the party and endured repression and persecution years before there was ever any sign it would be successful.

>>2337412
Yeah that's why Lenin allowed him to be in charge of the Red Army because you know there's no better person to have in charge of the military than a collaborating traitor of course.

>>2337440
shut the fuck up Cucktin even if you win in Ukraine within the next 2 years everyone will remember that it took you 4-5+ years to accomplish what Stalin did in 2
every russian nationalist and monarchist and tsaristboo should hang themselves for ever slandering the soviets and pretending like a right wing government would be in any way better
we now have empirical evidence that if the Tsarists had been running Russia during WW2 and then Cold War that Russia would have already gone extinct from the sheer incompetence

>>2337457
man i was just making a joke that its silly for a communist to condemn someone for being "anti-russian" prior to the bolshevik revolution, since "russia" at that point was the russian empire and after the february revolution the bolsheviks were distinguished exactly by their commitment to revolutionary defeatism. thats all i mean

>>2337412
Good. Nationalism is a disease.

No big deal

>>2337401
sure. i agree, there's nothing wrong with zigzagging on an issue when it is appropriate to change tactics.

but

trotsky consistently seems to have a wrong and shit take? at the second congress, he sided with the swamp. he then larped as a menshevik during 1905. he failed to uphold the party directive at brest-litovsk. he sided with every anti-leninist force at every opportunity during the 20s.

>>2337603 (me)
>>2337401
Trotsky was an ardent Iskrist in 1901-03, and Ryazanov described his role at the Congress of 1903 as “Lenin’s cudgel”. At the end of 1903, Trotsky was an ardent Menshevik, i.e., he deserted from the Iskrists to the Economists. He said that “between the old Iskra and the new lies a gulf”. In 1904-05, he deserted the Mensheviks and occupied a vacillating position, now co-operating with Martynov (the Economist), now proclaiming his absurdly Left “permanent revolution” theory. In 1906-07, he approached the Bolsheviks, and in the spring of 1907 he declared that he was in agreement with Rosa Luxemburg.

In the period of disintegration, after long “non-factional” vacillation, he again went to the right, and in August 1912, he entered into a bloc with the liquidators. He has now deserted them again, although in substance he reiterates their shoddy ideas.

>>2337127
>ml cannot fathom admitting you were wrong
lel

>>2338194
When Cliff (in Building the Party) makes a few of digs at their local M-L party and the SU being dumbass Great Man cultists who falsely pretend Lenin was magically born a Bolshevik, I thought they were being petty and ridiculous, but looking around, I do find plenty of such people in the wild.

>>2337412
*yawn*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_journey_in_a_sealed_train