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Not reporting is bourgeois


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The entire "everybody acts in a way that is ultimately reducible to their material interests and the ideas they have are just distortions or window dressing" thing is one of the biggest strawmen ever made about communists. It's not that communists think people just follow their interests it's that the system forces people to act within the constraints of material interests. And morality all that good vs. evil shit exists mainly to hide and obscure that fact, that the core reality of capitalism is driven by profit, the competition for money and the harsh truth that without capital, you're left to struggle, that it isn't some natural, self-correcting system, it's man-made, and it runs on the logic of capital, accumulate or collapse.

I disagree

>everybody acts in a way that is ultimately reducible to their material interests and the ideas they have are just distortions or window dressing
Nobody claims this, it was dismissed 100s of years ago as vulgar materialism

>>2338155
you havent seen the way people post here then

>>2338163
No I have, people don't espouse this except as a meme

>>2337969
>the system forces people to act within the constraints of material interests.
Their aggregate social class acting within their class's interests
>And morality all that good vs. evil shit exists mainly to hide and obscure that fact
the history of humanity is the history of class war between bourgeois or proletarian morality

>>2339973
The history of humanity is 12000 years, before that it's prehistory

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>>2339967
>class war is some bullshit about "bourgeois vs proletarian morality"

>>2337975
refuses to elaborate

>>2338155
Some people definitely do. It's honestly the basis for a lot of the thinking about labour aristocracy.

>>2340324
bourgeois is just the descendant or evolution of old time land owners with lots of slaves/servants, it's been part of "humanity" since time immemorial

>>2340036
No they dont and no it's not, people's thinking around labour aristocracy or their perspectives on third worldism are not based in vulgar materialism

People like to lie until their self interest in a situation is pointed out

>>2340447
Sure all that and at the same time it's also the same old master-slave dynamic

>>2340461
Your perspective is a new class came and replace the old, all true, they replaced them and took their place

>>2340447
>bourgeois autocracies
Not what china has developed into tho

>>2337969
>>2338155
You are both in agreement

Every talk of classes is reductive by nature

>>2340475
>t. nationalist who learned about Palestine 2 years ago

>>2340480
No idea what that means

>>2340472
You are correct, I misread OP as stating this is claimed by communists

>>2340447
Both the communist revolutions that created the Soviet Union and Maoist China were led and coordinated by focusing on domination by the proletariat class following what Engels said about peasants:

<We, of course, are decidedly on the side of the small peasant; we shall do everything at all permissible to make his lot more bearable, to facilitate his transition to the co-operative should he decide to do so, and even to make it possible for him to remain on his small holding for a protracted length of time to think the matter over, should he still be unable to bring himself to this decision. We do this not only because we consider the small peasant living by his own labor as virtually belonging to us, but also in the direct interest of the Party. The greater the number of peasants whom we can save from being actually hurled down into the proletariat, whom we can win to our side while they are still peasants, the more quickly and easily the social transformation will be accomplished. It will serve us nought to wait with this transformation until capitalist production has developed everywhere to its utmost consequences, until the last small handicraftsman and the last small peasant have fallen victim to capitalist large-scale production.


<Engels, The Peasant Question in France and Germany


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894/peasant-question/ch02.htm

>>2340530
nothing as simples as a string of words of course
>only when you limit your analysis of what comprises class relations and of how class relates to one's lived reality.
no, always

>>2340556
>there is a solidarity on the bottom of things which transcends any care for presumed antagonism.

i do not think this is true lol

>>2340530
>china appears to be a bourgeois autocracy
In what way does it appear to be bourgeois or autocratic?

>>2341707
No it's socialist, internationalist and a people's democratic dictatorship aka a DotP

Have you ever read Engels?

>>2341719
Thanks for conceding, now no more slander of the CPC alright?

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>>2337969
So if everybody doesn't do this does the vast majority or a small minority of people do so still?

>>2341732
>muh social credit score
What did I just say? Off to the vocational school with you!

>>2341717
>ideology

>>2337969
There is a word "class traitor". So, that view you are talking about is wrong

>>2340533
Eh, I think the self-exploitation of the working class is largely a result of labor arbitrage/monopsony rents due to imperialism/monopoly capital. IMO as well as having other effects, imperialism guarantees a large amount of lumpen, peasants and petty-bourgeoisie. I think that the petty-bourgeoisie can be organized under anti-monopsony rent action, so primarily organizing to support migrant labor such as immigrants and queer people and women moving to the city. Fundamentally, it's in the interests of the petty-bourgeoisie to support migrant labor because they're cheaper labor. The major hostility to migrant labor comes from the labor aristocracy and the trade unions. The bourgeoisie are also opposed to migrant labor because they invest in both sides of the border.

>>2337969
theres just so many retards who think idealism just means "having ideas" or something too

Your body existed before you had self awareness.
Your mind exists only because in the past, your material body would've benefitted from it.
Your brain isn't functional. It's obsolete, and may aswell not exist anymore. You think like a worthless animal that you are.


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