/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2359555
Ok but me 'demanding changes' probably isn't going to do anything. I have reported on a (cunt) coworker for the stuff she did to endanger residents and I think she has eventually been fired (I left for a different job at a different hostel) but that might not have made a difference because apparently she yelled in public at a resident and said he was a thief and spat at him. Which also probably contributed.

>>2360518
I think you are just an insane faggot and nothing you said made any sense at all.

>>2360518
Forgot to add that autistic people doesn't usually correct their behaviours unless they're grilled on it. If they're not held accountable they usually don't care, which is exactly why autistic men turn out so overtly patriarchal: boys are SELDOM ever held accountable. When you throw autism into the mix it gets even worse. Very little self-awareness. Very little concern for how your behaviours affect other people. Very little concern for the needs of others as long as you get what you want. Neurotypical men, at least, will feel an impetus to change when called out because they feel like they have to keep harmony within the group.

>>2360507
No more than rich people already pay others to deal with the 'burden' of dealing with their able-bodied children. The issue here isn't that disability exists: it's capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy. In the USSR there were can teens where people would go as families to eat, right? And these were set up explicitly to ease the burden of housework for women. You have to be rich to eat out with your family several times per week these days. Perhaps the problem is the burden of having a family at all?

>>2360447
> I find it interesting though that an alleged feminist would rather blame autism than patriarchy for the way women are expected to accept misogynistic behaviour and act as caregivers for those with autism.

Find me a man who will willingly take on the role of a 24/7 caregiver to a severely autistic or disabled child.

>>2360524
>The issue here isn't that disability exists: it's capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy.
Not sure if I fully agree, but regardless: unless there's a legit political program that would universalize disability care I see no point in moralizing.

>>2360527
I'm pretty sure men would rather be 24/7 political activists than glued to a kid who's basically a potato with a face.

Care work is for the girls.

>>2360530
Because being a round-the-clock care worker sounds so much more appealing to women.

>>2360518
I can't answer the last question, because I'm not a woman. It's also not really an issue I want to discuss, because it's a moot point. Women do get into relationships with autistic men; that's life. I'm also not suggesting that women should be made to get into relationships with ASD men. At this point, we're almost getting into "cis men shouldn't be forced to get into relationships with trans women!" territory, which I'd rather not get into.

Ultimately I still think you're basing your worldview on a lot of assumptions and putting a ton of weight on the people in your hypotheticals being autistic. As if NT men don't up and leave women to deal with the kids all the time? As if NT women don't already have the same problems as everyone else (capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy, as I keep on pointing out). ASD is just another thing on top of all of these other things.

I'd also like to see some sources for these real sociological reasons, if you'd be so kind.

>>2360506
>>2360507
>>2360524
I get that it's trendy to say "disability isn't the problem, society is!". But the disabled people I know IRL and follow on social media have pretty much given up on trying to change society, because they see no point. Austerity measures are happening in nearly every social democratic country in the West. In response, you see the rise of the far-right. Socialists who would help disabled people aren't powerful enough to counter-act the far-right influence. Mutual aid groups run by anarchists certainly aren't going to provide enough to make up for lost benefits. In the US, Trump is only going to get worse and there's a very strong chance a successor to Trump will win in 2028. Everyone wants to say "ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANIZE" but what does that do? It's the leftist version of "THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS" at this point.

There is no tangible political program to help disabled people, which again is why all the disabled people I know are focusing on petty shit instead.

>>2360537
Try talking to autistic women who have had to put up with autistic men and you'll see exactly what I mean. So many stories of abuse. So many will say they prefer to date NT men because NT men see them as more than just substitute mothers.

I don't know why you're so big on defending autistic men if you yourself admit they hold patriarchal views.

>>2360539
Shut up faggot.

>>2360540
I think you need to look at how autistic boy's and men's behaviours are always made excuses for and thus they never learn effective social skills because they were never compelled to learn them.

>>2360538
> Everyone wants to say "ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANIZE" but what does that do? It's the leftist version of "THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS" at this point.

That, and "organize" usually means hold parades disguised as protests.

We saw a wave of those things last year to stop the genocide in Palestine and they didn't do shit.

>>2360539
>I don't know why you're so big on defending autistic men if you yourself admit they hold patriarchal views.
Since when autism = chud? Your entire argument rests upon this assumption.

>>2360543
What about women? What is this mythological autism that never existed before 100 years ago?

>>2360538
Okay, but… And this is the last time I'll say it, I promise… That's not a problem caused by or exclusive to those with disabilities. It's a problem with capitalism, patriarchy, and white supremacy. Simply repeating the phrase with an exclamation mark at the end doesn't make it any less true. Doomerism is rife in the west; what else is new?

>>2360543
Honestly I know a fair few autistic men and most of them are more respectful with women/others in general than an average neurotypical. I feel like the ones that routinely mistreat others are usually neurotypical or at least neurodiverse in a different way. Autistic people (who are high functioning-ish) are self-conscious about upsetting others because they don't have the inbuilt social sense that others do.

>>2360545
It's really a eugenics argument isn't it. Yet they're still mad for their decried autistic men for not impregnating and raising the children of these whores.

>>2360545
Again, autistic men always had excuses made for their behaviours. It's not reducible to patriarchy when autistic men more than often have far less self-awareness and are far more self-absorbed.

>>2360546
Aren't there a fair few historical figures that show traits that seem highly like autism?

>>2360548
>are self-conscious about upsetting others because they don't have the inbuilt social sense that others do.
The opposite. Most of them don't care unless they're scrutinized on their behaviours. Males are seldom scrutinized.

>>2360547
How do we fix the problem aside from screaming "ORGANIZE!!!!"? Organize what?

>>2360551
I think every intellectual that ever lived was "autistic." Only those who could discount the 99% of whores could be called intellectual.

>>2360517
>incoherent emotional outburst
awwww? what's the matter? mommy not suck your dick this morning? There there, go and tell her how you're feeling i'm sure she'll make it all alright for you.

>>2360555
>awwww? what's the matter? mommy not suck your dick this morning? There there, go and tell her how you're feeling i'm sure she'll make it all alright for you.
Did you not suck daddy's dick? Very ironic because you are only disclosing t he unsavory sexual acts you engaged with at the behest of random guys recently.

>>2360539
I believe that everyone holds patriarchal views, because patriarchy is replicated by our state and civil institutions and at home, by both men and women. I don't really know what to say to that last part.
Could you point me towards some of these women, or did you just assume that the majority of people wrldwide hold your beliefs? How would I approach this topic of conversation, anyway? This is kind of a weird thing to talk to someone about. Do I just head to the nearest Con and start interviewing all the catgirls?

I mean, I saw anrcho feminist drink a bowl of piss on camera, but now, she says that she isn't ready to drink a bowl of piss until I put a ring on it. What gives?

>>2360553
My friend, that's beyond the scope of this thread. Good question, though. Perhaps you could start another thread about it?

>>2360561
Lol she ain't gonna respond she knows she drank a bowl of piss on camera.

>>2340607
>agree to volunteer

Money and time. I have a family of my own to take care of. I already work 50-60 hour weeks as is, and spend time outside of that on my own family. And the pay for work in those fields is really, really bad. My situation isn't uncommon, not everyone is a part time barista living in a studio apartment.

>>2340607
Same reason I never see DSA reach out to the poorest neighborhoods out here where I’m at. Nor any communist party or any kind in fact. The only organization that helps out the poor community I live in the local Catholic Church. If you’re in a party and you don’t reach out to the most neglected communities and only to white and university students then you’re just failing. You see these white people at protests that supposedly advocate for POC and show up as a POC st one of these protests and they look at you with disgust. Such is the nature of these upper class whites radlibs.

>>2360552
>Males are seldom scrutinized.

absolutely delusional, they're scrutinised 10x more than women

>>2360425
As a potentially autistic person (I haven’t been diagnosed), I hear what you’re saying. We have impairments and delays in social skills, but that doesn’t mean we can’t learn; it just means that it doesn’t come naturally. Coddling an autist is the worst thing you can do; otherwise, you end up with Chris Chan

>>2360506
>Actually, it does. If we're talking pure numbers, then heart surgery costs what it costs; in a country without free healthcare, paying for treatment will be harder if you're not well off.

Why do Americans believe universal healthcare fixes nearly everything? Doctors and nurses can only do so much.

>>2360477
queen shit

>>2360561
>>2360573
can you post footage of this event

askin for a friend btw

>>2360900
seconded, i wanna see that

>>2360506
>>2360524
Speaking as a nurse, you are DANGEROUSLY downplaying the severity of T21 if you think capitalism is the only reason people with T21 suffer. The vast majority of T21 cases are NOT a mild intellectual disability that can be overcome with "love and support" and a few highly treatable medical conditions that can be easily fixed with really good healthcare.

I understand why an American would believe universal healthcare fixes everything. Don't get me wrong, I live and work under a universal healthcare system (Canada) and I love the fact the patients I see don't have to deal with medical debt and can see a doctor for free any time they need to. But universal healthcare isn't a clear fix-all. Doctors and nurses aren't magicians who instantly cure whomever pays us the most. There are certain ailments that will always be extremely hard to deal with even in a system that gives you the best healthcare imaginable for free.

60% of babies with Down's have severe heart issues. That isn't a small number. Those babies require open heart surgery immediately following birth, which is a long process to recover from. Many will spend their first 2-3 months in the NICU; think about how stressful that must be for the parents even if the parents have the money to take time off work. About 5-10% of babies with T21 don't survive their first year, and there's no way of determining survival chances. Hell, there are little kids with T21 who require feeding tubes for a lengthy amount of time. Again, free healthcare or having money as an American can provide that but it can't prevent it from happening in the first place. Then you have all the issues with intellectual development, the fact most people with T21 have very severe intellectual disabilities and require a lifetime of care. Again, nannies can provide temporary relief but the parents/family will ultimately have to deal and make hard decisions about what to do with their disabled child and what needs to be done. These aren't easy choices to make. Then, again, there are all the health issues. Children with T21 have a very high chance of developing childhood leukemia (I've seen statistics that it's anywhere from 1/7 to 1/15). Dealing with cancer and subsequent treatment puts a tremendous stress on the child and the family, especially if the child is too intellectually disabled to understand what's going on. Then there are things like lung, thyroid, and kidney issues which are extremely common in kids with T21. Many kids with T21 end up hospitalized for lung-related issues (about 50% of hospitalized adults with Down's go in for lung issues). Hell, the other day I read a story about a little girl with T21 in my own province (Ontario) who needed a liver transplant (her parents were taking her to the US to get one because the Canadian hospitals didn't want to deal with the family's bullshit, apparently). T21 also wrecks immune systems. People with Down's are highly susceptible to dying from shit like covid or the flu.

NONE of these things are small. All of them will put pressure on any family, even one that can afford to temporarily place their disabled child in the care of others. After all, special ed schools and nannies aren't forever, and at some point your disabled child will outgrow day programs and nannies and need to be placed in a group home permanently. But what happens when the number of caregivers is scarce? Judging by the responses ITT, it's pretty fucking obvious most people would prefer to not be caregivers for the disabled. And to reiterate what I've previously said, speaking as someone of a Danish ethnic background I can confirm that the main reason why the Scandinavian countries abort for Down's at a rate of 95-99% is largely because we value leisure above anything else. We don't want to offset our leisure time by taking care of medically-complex children if we don't have to. And hilariously, the Scandinavian countries (including Finland) all have some of the best healthcare systems in the world, and have some of the best disability care in the world, and yet people still choose to abort for T21 at an astonishingly high rate. Does it not occur to you that under communism people would be MORE reluctant to care for the severely disabled, simply because communism would grant them so much leisure time that they'd rather not take up the burden?

The reason I feel so passionate about this topic isn't just because I'm a nurse, but because my bestie works as a pediatric nurse in the US and has seen the number of babies with T21 explode since Roe vs. Wade was overturned. She told me so many of these babies are sick beyond belief, guaranteed to have a shit quality of life when they're older even if the parents can afford to give them outstanding care. Are you honestly going to gaslight those parents by telling them: YOUR CHILD IS PERFECT, JUST BLAME THE SYSTEM when they have little ability to care for those children?

>>2360840
>Why do Americans believe universal healthcare fixes nearly everything? Doctors and nurses can only do so much.
It's entirely due to the disparities in American healthcare.

Americans suffer so much due to their healthcare system that they truly believe those of us who are healthcare workers cure people based on how many coins we're given, like they think the rich "never get sick". Our head-of-state King Charles is currently undergoing cancer treatment. Of fucking course he's getting the best treatment on earth, but is it guaranteed to save him? No, because even the most elite doctors can't cure illnesses that don't have a cure. At some point, even the best of treatments don't work if the illness is too severe.

Or, look at Selena Gomez. She's a billionaire porky scumfuck. Yet, she suffers from lupus which has completely destroyed her face and body. Lupus is highly treatable and usually amounts to a really painful annoyance and a few days in bed per month. Yet Selena the billionaire has lupus so turbo it required her to get a kidney transplant. If billionaires have access to "secret cures" like r/conspiracy tells me, why is Selena still an absolute mess from her illness? Why hasn't her turbo-lupus been cured? Certainly, a billionaire would never ever be that sick, right?

>>2361945
They used to drown Down Syndrome babies at birth for most of history. They were considered deformed and of no use to the community. Dunno why socialists want to defend retarded people so badly.

>>2352060
>Let me just inform everyone here that your child's health is nothing to gamble with, and risk-aversion should be necessary. Yes, there's a chance your kid with an intellectual disability could be on the "mild" end of the spectrum and learn how to read and write, but there's a much, much bigger chance that your kid with an ID will have a shit quality of life and never be more than a potato. Choose wisely.

I wouldn't say it's just risk aversion. Being disabled is a huge source of trauma. Not just for care givers but for the disabled person themselves. Being surrounded by people who are doing things you know you'll never be able to do because of your disability is traumatic. Needing medical care all the fucking time is traumatic. Being put in special ed and excluded from all the things other kids were allowed to do is traumatic. Parents keeping you in close range always and not allowing you any autonomy because of your disability is traumatic. Is that really what you want to subjugate your kid to? I'd rather be aborted. Better to have never existed than to exist in an entirely negative environment.

>>2360506
What makes you assume all Down’s and level 3 autistic kids will progress with therapy? There are plenty of T21 and L3 autistic kids who have been doing intensive therapies for their entire childhoods and still have the mental ages of small children. Money only solves so much and you are the retard for being so cavalier about the reality of disability.

>>2340607
I’m not caring for anyone I don’t want to care for.

>>2364933
What’s important to note is that the majority of people with Down’s who are high-functioning have Mosaic Down Syndrome, meaning their intellect and most of their body aren’t affected. They’re the ones you see on TV and in public life so you can understand why people would think their disability isn’t a big deal.

>>2362053
One other thing that a lot of "anti-eugenics" advocates like to conveniently leave out is that life expectancy for people with profound/severe disabilities like T21 or high needs autism is on average notoriously low. It used to be that T21 was considered a "childhood disorder" because most people with T21 would die sometime in their early 20s. Now life expectancy for T21 is around 45. Level 3 or high needs autism is actually worse, with life expectancy being around 35. That's because most people with high needs autism die from seizures, health issues that they can't articulate to a doctor so they go untreated, and things like accidents. Most high needs autistics have no real sense of danger so they will run into oncoming traffic or run into bodies of water and drown (drowning is the top cause of death for high needs autistics IIRC).

Even if these people are able to make it to their late 30s or early 40s, death around that time is usually very painful for them.

Better question: how many of you ITT would agree to work in group homes for disabled adults or become special education teachers under socialism?

>>2360506
>But what about everyday care? Poverty puts a lot of stress on families. Having a child with high care needs puts even more stress on families. A rich couple could pay for nannies and carers, or have their child stay at a nice private residential school for children with special needs; these opportunities are not available to the poor.

Not every disabled child can be put in the care of nannies. There are autistic/Down’s kids with pretty awful behavioural issues or who engage in things like SIB who can’t be placed in the care of just anyone. And if you’re a parent of one of those kids, who do you trust with a non-verbal child? How is the nanny supposed to know when your child wants food, is hurt, is tired, and so on?