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What was it about 1968 that made it such a revolutionary year in the West? What was the historical materialist context which made it so revolutionary and made it the closest that the West came to revolution and how was it coopted and liberalized in the 70s and 80s?

>revolutionary
<student protests for peace

>>2340994
#doubt

no revolutions took place in the late 60s or the 70s, 80s or 90s

>>2340924
It wasn't a revolution as socialists in the 1920s expected to happen. But I like Eric Hosbawm writing about the enormous generation gap between the young people then and their parents, which grew extremely wide because of rapid technological change compared to the differences between generations in the past. Some of the cultural aspects of this were also shaped or became dominant in "developed market economies" which had socialized these people differently, and they had increased spending power. It was a generation that really was detached from their past.

>The essential antinomianism of the new youth culture came out most clearly at the moments when it found intellectual expression, as in the instantly famous posters of the Paris May days of 1968: 'It is forbidden to forbid', and the American pop radical Jerry Rubin's maxim that one should never trust anyone who had not done time (in jail) (Wiener, 1984, p. 204). Contrary to first appearances, these were not political statements in the traditional sense - even in the narrow sense of aiming to abolish repressive laws. This was not their object. They were public announcements of private feelings and desires. As a slogan of May 1968 put it: 'I take my desires for reality, for I believe in the reality of my desires' (Katsiaficas, 1987, p. 101). Even when such desires came together in public manifestations, groups and movements; even in what looked like, and sometimes had the effect of, mass rebellion, subjectivity was at their core. 'The personal is political' became an important slogan of the new feminism, perhaps the most lasting result of the years of radicalization. It meant more than simply that political commitment had personal motivations and satisfactions, and that the criterion of political success was how it affected people. In some mouths it simply meant 'I shall call anything that worries me, political', as in the title of a 1970s book, Fat Is a Feminist Issue (Orbach, 1978).


>The May 1968 slogan 'When I think of revolution I want to make love' would have puzzled not only Lenin, but also Ruth Fischer, the militant young Viennese communist whose championship of sexual promiscuity Lenin attacked (Zetkin, 1968, pp. 28ff). Yet, conversely, even for the typically politically conscious neo-Marxist-Leninist radical of the 1960s and 1970s, Brecht's Comintern agent who, like the commercial traveller 'made love with other things on his mind' ('Der Liebe pflegte ichachtlos' - Brecht, 1976, II, p. 722) would have been incomprehensible. For them the important thing was surely not what revolutionaries hoped to achieve by their actions, but what they did and how they felt while doing it. Making love and making revolution could not be clearly separated.


>Personal liberation and social liberation thus went hand in hand; the most obvious ways of shattering the bonds of state, parental and neighbours' power, law and convention, being sex and drugs. The former, in all its manifold forms, did not have to be discovered. What the melancholy conservative poet meant by the line 'Sexual intercourse began in 1963' (Larkin, 1988, p. 167) was not that this activity was uncommon before the 1960s or even that he had not practised it, but that it changed its public character with - his examples -the Lady Chatterley trial and 'the Beatles' first LP'. Where an activity had formerly been prohibited, such gestures against older ways were easy. Where it had previously been tolerated, officially or unofficially, as for instance lesbian relationships had, the fact that it was a gesture had to be specially established. A public commitment to the hitherto prohibited or unconventional ('coming out') therefore became important. Drugs, on the other hand, except for alcohol and tobacco, had hitherto been confined to small subcultures of high, low and marginal society, and did not benefit from permissive legislation. They spread not only as a gesture of rebellion, for the sensations they made possible could be sufficient attraction. Nevertheless, drug use was by legal definition an outlaw activity, and the very fact that the drug most popular among the Western young, marihuana, was probably more harmless than alcohol or tobacco, made smoking it (typically, a social activity) not merely an act of defiance but of superiority over those who banned it. On the wilder shores of the American 1960s, where rock fans and student radicals met, the line between getting stoned and building barricades often seemed hazy.


[…]

>What is even more significant is that this rejection was not in the name of some other pattern of ordering society, though the new libertarianism was given ideological justification by those who felt it needed such labels,* but in the name of the unlimited autonomy of individual desire. It assumed a world of self-regarding individualism pushed to its limits. Paradoxically the rebels against the conventions and restrictions shared the assumptions on which mass consumer society was built, or at least the psychological motivations which those who sold consumers goods and services found most effective in selling them.

How retarded do you have to be to compare the revolutionary wave of the early 20th century (even if most of them didn't get to a DotP) to a bunch of fucking college students?

>>2340924
>closest that the West came to revolution
You really think 1968 was closer than 1919?
Yeah gonna say this is a b8 thread

>>2341213
The only country that was close to revolution and had an actual revolution in 1919 was Germany. A single nation isn’t the West. The West includes the rest of Western Europe and Great Britain and the US. The west as a whole was the closest to a Western revolution in 1968.

2nd sexual revolution soon

>>2340924
don't forget the cultural revolution in china

hippies were failures, they were all like "lets have sex and smoke weed mannnnnnnnn" and thought that would lead to revolution. Student activists just annoyed actual workers.
by the time we got to the 70s/80s all the old liberals voted regan and johnny rotten (who is now pro trump lel) was shouting "NOOOOOOOOOOO FUTURE"

>>2341381
Sure, if you mean simultaneous revolution across the entire imperial core. 1919 still was a more consequential inflexion point for the revolutionary transformation of the core.
>>2341526
The imprisoned nations and internal subalterns orgs like the BPP were much more effective. Unfortunately, not as effective as the FBI.

>What was it about 1968 that made it such a revolutionary year in the West?
It wasn't revolutionary.
>What was the historical materialist context
The capitalist superstructure didn't align with the economic base. Youngsters wanted a more liberalized culture that would fit the already liberalized economy. In short, the whole "movement" was just about pushing culture to fit the already established realities of the economy.
>how was it coopted and liberalized in the 70s and 80s?
It wasn't coopted. It was always already a fake. That the "movement" took an ideological facade inspired by Mao's cultural revolution and Western anarchism is of no consequence. People do stupid shit all the time with false consciousness.

>>2341088
>'It is forbidden to forbid'
>'I take my desires for reality, for I believe in the reality of my desires'
>'The personal is political'
>'When I think of revolution I want to make love'
Literal pomo marketing slogans, lmao.

>>2340924
Neoliberalism. There's a lot of whining about the hippies being traitors and fakes but the reality is that the state struck really fucking hard with austerity everywhere. Also there was the fall of the Soviet Union. Also the state flooding the streets with hard drugs. In general, communists greatly underestimate the amount of active class war taking place against Americans. Sometimes communists note a few things like the propaganda or the repression against Black people. But a lot of people don't grasp the scale of domestic Gladio stuff. Cambridge analytica was in bed with the state and they've done shit like this before. The skinhead movement wasn't just an attempt to crush non-white people, these Neo-Nazi groups are an active attempt by the state to crush white trash (typically marginalized groups such as in Appalachia). Also the feminist movement made a Faustian bargain with the state and was neutralized with the whole nonprofit industrial complex. The whole Satanist Neo-Nazi stuff is a psyop designed to target disaffected young youth. I mean I'm pretty sure Andrew Tate is an asset. You can go crazy assuming everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes people are just stupid or dicks. But rich men will make a few anonymous donations here and there.

Like I'm pretty sure the whole incel movement is a psyop broken off from the Seige culture stuff which is connected to Michael Aquino and military intelligence. Something like that anyhow.

>>2341544
Like I mean you have to think of Neo-Nazi groups as being like Isis or Wahhabism. This kind of Mormon cult shit is extremely American. Extremely racist UFO religion stuff is commonplace. I mean I can go to my local crystals bookstore and find a ton of Nazi Falun Gong type orientalist garbage racist fascists on the shelves. Reaction is a psyop and you're not immune to it.

Anyone have any good reading (whether long or short) on the crisis of world capitalism from the 60s-70s that would have encouraged the bourgeois to strip down their social democratic institutions and strike back with repression and psyops like >>2341544 explains?

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>>2341544
if everyone thought like this we'd actually get somewhere

we are literal soldiers brother, this is a class war that's been waging for hundreds of years.

>>2341018
68 was the height of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution before Mao's counterrevolution

This and the german RAF was the last whimper of non-nationalist socialism. Everything after that is ᴉuᴉlossnW tier retards going "blood and soil but I'm gonna mention Marx and Stalin".

>revolutionary year
>1968
What did he mean by this?

Why are lib academics so obsessed with 1968? Are they really that keen on sloganeering?

it was not revolutionary lol
all the BS idpol we are living in right now is the direct result of May 68

>>2341860
German RAF and their Italian similars had nothing to do with actual proles of these countries
A bunch of over-energetic young people causing havoc through random terrorist acts, if anything, only alienated the working masses.

>>2340924
Western communists were stalinists until this point but democratic socialist reformers in Czechoslovakia oppressed by the USSR made the communist parties split between democratic and stalinist.

May 68 in France was just a revolt of the liberal, petit-bourgeois youth against the musty old ass 'colonial unc' era of De Gaulle.
People talk a lot about 'muh jeans' in the USSR, but in the west, it was May 68 which made Jeans mainstream. Before this, you were supposed to wear long sleeve shirts and 'classic' trousers to appear 'respectable'.

>>2341876
you are retarded

>>2341879
I dont give a shit about petit porky students chimping out in France this has no relevance to socialism. The big deal in this year was Prague spring.

>>2341868
Boomer profs' early adulthood years. Nostalgia for "muh generation changed da wooorld."

>>2341881
Prague was even more petit porks chomping out than France
Prague 'Spring' had even less relevance to socialism that porky France


boomer academics be like
>ahhh, may 1968, the best year in the world for revolution where I got to roofie and rape freshmen women and now I hate my wife and am fiscally conservative and socially liberal

>>2341876
Not western, not really. It depends on the country.

>>2342030
Agreed it is not anglo/american issue.

>>2341878
Yes, talking to older people, they say wearing jeans in the olden days was seen to be extremely low class. Maybe this is why it was adopted as a counter-signal.

>>2341989
I knew an old AFL-CIO guy who I discovered in a completely unrelated story about left-wing organizing in the 1970s that he was a known counter-culture weirdo who had a chimpanzee in his house and lived with a Charles Manson-esque harem of women. I never would've expected it.

But politically I liked him more than most people I've met on the left.

>>2342673
I know a guy who was born in the late 1930s who doesn't wear jeans. Always slacks.

This is also Hosbawm. From "The Age of Extremes."

>>2341989
>>2342673
Boomers are a tiresome and demonstrably retrograde dominion they regard themselves as audacious and defiant with their jeans and tie dye shirts , they are simply counterfeit figures, attempting to assimilate with the burgeoning rebellion of the counterculture portraying a veneer of peace amd love, and collective solidarity They might be attempting to manipulate our burgeoning fervor for personal enrichment or a paltry echelon of recognition it is all a meticulously crafted strategy to maintain their entrenched and ultimately oppressive position within the socio-economic fabric of kazakhstan, a great example of the bourgeoisie

>>2340924
It was basically the boomer version of occupy Wallstreet and accomplished as much except that many leftist academics got to write about it ad nauseum

>>2347234
I mean the French president literally fled the country because of it.

>>2341878
There is a part of truth in that, but it's also a lie and a psyop. The students went to the factories and tried to ally with the workers. There were huge strikes in Paris and Lyon but the PCF and CGT cucked out and told workers to go back to work, and signed the Grenelle accords. Many activist groups criticized Cohn-Bendit as an opportunist who diluted the revolutionary potential of the situation. It was a chaotic time and many students wanted to create workers' councils in factories, but the official communist party were cucks who didn't support them and wanted capitalism to go on as usual, like the usual opportunist bureaucrats they are.
Read Jacques Wajnsztejn, he wrote a really good book about the 1968 situation in France and Italy (the 1969 Turin strike at the Fiat factory was the biggest of Europe at the time), and that's not even talking about what was also happening in Prague, Germany, Belgrade, Pakistan and Japan.
It was a serious but failed revolution like 1919 and it gave rise to neoliberalism just like 1919 gave rise to Nazi Germany.

>>2340924
>Zionist nationalists in Poland try to seize control 1968
>it wuz a revolution
Lmao

I bought Chris Harman's book on 1968. Is it any good?


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