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Thank you for everything, Joseph <3
I have seen many interesting input from various anons on Stalin here, whether in the form of opinions, books, documentaries etc. They happen sporadically, scattered on different threads which rarely have anything to do with Stalin, ML or USSR. I figured a Stalin General Thread would be useful. A place where to share all things Stalin and discuss all things Stalin.
Though I am pro-Stalin, this is not a strictly Stalin-worship thread. Posts critical of Stalin too are welcome. I simply request that they are in good faith, and not just 'muh ML' trolls.

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RESPECTED COMRADES,
From the Man of Steel to Moffin' and Erik Houdini, where did we go wrong?

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>>2350724
That image goes hard for literally no reason. Like that just makes him look badass

>>2350779
He's sitting in an armchair

>>2350724
>houdini
KYS merchant worshipping faggot

>>2350777

In [Bordiga’s] long article one thing is truly noteworthy: the elegant skepticism with which he avoids taking a clear position on points which he nevertheless affirms to dissent from; there is the continual oscillation between thesis and antithesis, without for all that indicating an “original” thesis of his own.

Comrade Bordiga limits himself to upholding a cautious position on all the questions raised by the Left. He doesn’t say: the International poses and resolves such and such a question in this way, but the Left will instead pose and resolve it this other way. He instead says: the way the International poses and resolves problems doesn’t convince me; I fear it falls into opportunism, there are insufficient guarantees against this, etc. His position, then, is one of permanent suspicion and doubt. In this way the position of the “Left” is purely negative; they express reservations without specifying them in a concrete form, and above all without indicating in concrete form their point of view, their solutions. They end by spreading doubt and distrust, without constructing anything.


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Koba why did i have to die

>>2350713
Social democracy general

>>2350713
Thanks for creating Israel and giving Greece to the UK and monarchists papa Stalin.

>>2351285
not a real quote btw. same with that supposed letter from tito to stalin saying "stop trying to kill me or else.." none of these alleged letters have ever been found.

>>2351336
the actual greek communists never blame stalin for their defeat
but the westoids always know better

>>2351333
market """socialist""" post


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>>2350713
Why did you not like Mariateguia and send the spider Ravines down to south america?

>>2351767
Shame stalin didn't penetrate the south america's harder.

>>2351769
A flawed aproach, seeing there were no succesful revolutions until ufff the 50's (and I am not talking about the cubans)

>>2351771
yes, cuba only succeeded because Gringos dindn't get involved, any revolution that gets propped up in south america will have the most brutal reaction, as mild reforms at best resulted in the US putting bloodthirsty dictatorships up.

>>2351592
Syndicalism is for a planned economy, I am not a market socialist

>>2351776

Anon, do you know about the bolivian revolution of the 50's

>>2351776
I think Chavez and Maduro showed that it's critical to have total control of the military and purge it since all these LatAm coups were done by CIA-sponsored army officers

>>2350713
>I simply request that they are in good faith, and not just 'muh ML' trolls.
So criticism is fine as long as it doesn't get to the root of the problem, it just has to be criticisms of small individual actions Stalin took.

i will say that stalin was an intelligent and devoted communist. whatever his serious mistakes and personal flaws, he didnt choose his circumstances, he was still the guy at the top when it came to fighting the nazis. im plenty critical of him & his choices based on my limited knowledge, but in the same way that he was ultimately just one man with his share of flaws & shortsightedness, i feel a sincere & humble respect for him. very few will ever have the combination of commitment & random chance that puts a person in a position where they have enough influence that their worst decisions have consequences that move the world. i think its preferable that no country or movement can be moved by a single person like that, but as far as it happened theres no use moralizing. i do think there is a way to have respect and sympathy for an individual without weighing their sins, and stalin is certainly not the worst "sinner" around. its a bad analogy but the way i think of it from my dumb burger perspective is that if anything stalin wasnt any worse than lincoln, and shouldnt be condemned on harsher terms or praised any less critically

>>2351285
Didn't he go into the trail and act like a smart ass and sarcastically agree to every charge thinking it was just a prank?
I don't agree with Stalin's purges for a very real reason is that Stalin probably knocked out good faith people who were just critical, while the Liberal traitor rats knew how to play the game and thus you got MI6 Beria and Shitlib Khuruschev into positions of power to ruin the USSR, but from my understanding is that Bukharin pretty much put the rope around his own neck and was like "YEAH BITCH BET YOU WON'T DO IT HAHA GOOD BANTS".

>>2350777
What did Bordiga ever even do? Write critiques of more important people that never amounted to anything? Is that really it? Hardly the right material for these based schizo type vids

Bukharin should have won
Early dengism would have saved the ussr

>>2351243
https://redsails.org/critica-sterile-negativa/
lol nice epic
Somehow Gramsci agrees with me so much to the point we even use the same phrases independently
>The position of this “Left” is purely negative
That's really the red thread or unifying (even defining) feature of all "leftcom".

>>2350713
You really couldn't make up the behaviour of modern MLs and their hero worship.
State capitalism & social democracy from the barrel of a gun has NEVER worked.
SIOC is a falsification and modernisation of Marx. Stalin was a revisionist.
I will give him that he beat the Nazis at least, that was pretty based.

In the realm of metaphysical possibilities one can muse indefinitely, but a Marxist should
do better
>Borbiga, without anywhere specifying the extent of his disagreement with Lenin, goes on affirming that Lenin’s tactical method is not “completely correct” as it does not provide “guarantees” against opportunist application. But Borbiba would be more sincere if he were to declare that he rejects any tactical maneuvers whatsoever, insofar as every tactical maneuver poses a risk of opportunist deviation.


Never search how many of the old guard Bolsheviks from the 1920s died or disappeared in 1930s.

>He shies away from articulating it in any shape or form, and merely says “little was done, while much could have been done.”
>The entire article is a document of true intellectual decadence. Borebiba not only fails to take his own negations to their logical conclusions, he above all fails to counterpose criticized directives with new directives, clearly and concretely laid out. To limit himself, as he does, to negative criticism — sowing doubt, skepticism and distrust, without proposing anything positive or constructive — demonstrates not only a lack of character, but also reveals little respect for and attachment to the Party and the International. [I'd go further and say they are unattached to reality itself]

Despite all the seethe, his SIOC doctrine worked and expanded the revolution beyond the borders of the USSR and his campaings of reforms like collectivization and extinction of the bourgeoir as a class was a advancement in direction of a socialism and communism.
his fuck ups were too bad, but there such things as mistakes we can't learn from.

>>2352422
>his SIOC doctrine worked
Please remind me how successfully the USSR is doing today?

>>2352444
>heh, what about today.
USSR developed, defended itself made the warsaw pack and aided the spread of revolution in far more substantial ways than thoughts and prayers from before, it may have been couped and defeated by the west and their golem the avid Anti-Stalinist Gorbachev but it's effects on the world are still present, meaning it's still the most effective template for the maintaning of socialism in history.

>>2350713
Thank Joseph, despite your persecution of orthodoxy, you conducted yourself as an actual Christian by fighting for the poor and the meek. If Stalin never persecuted the Orthodox Church and even brought them into the communist fold, the Soviet Union would have been unstoppable. I actually believe this.

>>2350713
>great man personality cults
Understandable if the average communist is a peasant who cant read or write.

>forced relocation of a trillion families for the fuck's of it
>accepted a half-west half-east Germany
>alienated most of european communist parties
>everything felt apart the moment he died
yeah well he wasn't perfect was it

Stalin was a leftcom.

>>2350777
isn't this the guy who let ᴉuᴉlossnW take power

>>2351811
>it's critical to have total control of the military and purge it
>needing to do all this shit
>just to make the mildest reforms
grim

>>2352830
How he could let anything happen if he was a so and so from the Italian communist party.
not even aided the partisans, just one of the victims of ᴉuᴉlossnW's encroachment.

>>2352833
Armies on latin america are not there for any defence of national interest like in US-NATO, they are a police force against revolutions.

wtf was he actualy doing during the revolution? some people say he was robbing trains but other say he wasn't actually doing that and that was someone else

>>2352836
criminal inaction is still criminal


BASED PEOPLE

obligatory

>>2352565
Bulgarian was not a leftcom, Bukharin was for the continuation of the NEP

>>2352907
>Zachariadis
And yet the westoid maintains that “Stalin sold out the Greek communists to the UK”

>>2352269
How would the country repel the nazi invasion then?

>>2352028
You have reading comprehension problems. You can absolutely ‘tackle the roots of the problem’.

>>2353113
Foghting the war, duh

>>2353112
>stalinoids in greece keep sucking Stalin off
I don't care

>>2352839
On the morning of 6 November [O.S. 25 October] 1917 Kerensky's troops raided Stalin's press headquarters and smashed his printing presses. While he worked to restore his presses, Stalin missed a Central Committee meeting where assignments for the coup were being issued. Stalin instead spent the afternoon briefing Bolshevik delegates and passing communications to and from Lenin, who was in hiding.[13]
Early the next day, Stalin went to the Smolny Institute from where he, Lenin and the rest of the Central Committee coordinated the coup. Kerensky left the capital to rally the Imperial troops at the German front. By 8 November [O.S. 27 October] 1917, the Bolsheviks had "stormed" the Winter Palace and arrested most of the members of Kerensky's cabinet.

>>2353118
With what

>>2353120
Stalinoids being the major force to resist the Nazi occupation

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>>2352269
hell naw, bukharins line would've been catastrophic for the war. rapid industrialization and collectivization showed to be correct.

>>2352171
> Bukharin pretty much put the rope around his own neck and was like "YEAH BITCH BET YOU WON'T DO IT HAHA GOOD BANTS".
sounds like he would fit in here since people think it's based to be sarcastically retarded

>>2352269
>Early dengism
it was called the NEP and it had its place

>>2352833
Truly grim. Look at Arbenz getting couped for nationalizing a fruit company.

>>2351285
>The procescution is not gonna get that man today, no. ..
>Because I'm gonna get him.
>My client.. The honourable N. Bukharin should go right to the fucking firing squad! The son of a bitch is guilty!
>That man is a slime!
>If he's allowed to go free then something is really wrong here..
>"You're out of order!"
>You're out of order? This whole court is out order!

>>2353338

From memory too Allen's model treats collectivization as being a net negative for agricultural output (essentially because he treats the kulak slaughter of animals & the famine as a kind of fixed continuous effect of collectivization itself, rather than temporary class war with the former and a et of natural disasters with the later)

>>2353112

Not even we in Greece hold that narrative, at least amongst the communists.

We made military-strategic blunders, and should have gone with guerrilla warfare, but anyhow ..

>>2351285
even if one would side with them theoretically, and even disagree with the principle of democratic centralism, how could it possibly be justifiable to try to destabilize the USSR just on the eve of a genocidal war of extermination?

were they delusional, evil or retarded?
I assume they were committed to the broader cause of liberation, and even had some patriotic inclinations, so how did they justify sabotaging the country right before a total war, all over a party politics power game?

>>2354197
true,embrace the popular front,war is at our doors !


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