/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>everything is le glowie psyoperino
its literally libs acting like libs

>>2351346
No one said anything about “glowie psyops” take your debate addict mindset somewhere else. I don’t care

>>2351359
>x was le Establishment Diversion
lol

>>2351346
Think about it with materialist lens. Any capitalist would oppose their business being raided by the State and their operations halted and their surplus-value diminished

>>2351337
Communists should go to the No Kings protests but as undercover intelligence operatives to figure out what the libs are up to and then report it back to their orgs. This could be important information. Don't try to radicalize them, try to blend in as much as you can. Wear a pink pussy hat and a Beto t-shirt.

I probably would've gone to check it out, but through a sheer act of Nietzchean will to power, I drove out to the middle of rural Texas to hang out with the Conan the Barbarian fans at the Robert E. Howard anniversary. While I can't totally say what Conan would do if he were facing a despotic king in the 21st century, he'd probably just take a broadsword and chop his head off.

if you don't organize, liberals will do it for you on their terms

>>2351337
>No amount of “do somethingner” cope can cover the fact that this was a useless display of controlled anger
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin - "What Is To Be Done? BURNING QUESTIONS of our MOVEMENT"
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/
<Hence, to belittle the socialist ideology in any way, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology. There is much talk of spontaneity. But the spontaneous development of the working-class movement leads to its subordination to bourgeois ideology
<the younger the socialist movement in any given country, the more vigorously it must struggle against all attempts to entrench non-socialist ideology, and the more resolutely the workers must be warned against the bad counsellors who shout against “overrating the conscious element”, etc. The authors of the Economist letter, in unison with Rabocheye Dyelo, inveigh against the intolerance that is characteristic of the infancy of the movement. To this we reply: Yes, our movement is indeed in its infancy, and in order that it may grow up faster, it must become imbued with intolerance against those who retard its growth by their subservience to spontaneity. Nothing is so ridiculous and harmful as pretending that we are “old hands” who have long ago experienced all the decisive stages of the struggle
> And so, we have become convinced that the fundamental error committed by the “new trend” in Russian Social-Democracy is its bowing to spontaneity and its failure to understand that the spontaneity of the masses demands a high degree of consciousness from us Social-Democrats. The greater the spontaneous upsurge of the masses and the more widespread the movement, the more rapid, incomparably so, the demand for greater consciousness in the theoretical, political and organisational work of Social-Democracy.
>The spontaneous upsurge of the masses in Russia proceeded (and continues) with such rapidity that the young Social Democrats proved unprepared to meet these gigantic tasks. This unpreparedness is our common misfortune, the misfortune of all Russian Social-Democrats. The upsurge of the masses proceeded and spread with uninterrupted continuity; it not only continued in the places where it began, but spread to new localities and to new strata of the population (under the influence of the working class movement, there was a renewed ferment among the student youth, among the intellectuals generally, and even among the peasantry). Revolutionaries, however, lagged behind this upsurge, both in their “theories” and in their activity; they failed to establish a constant and continuous organisation capable of leading the whole movement.

>>2351522
I just left a revisionist org last year, I’m am reading thru Capital right now until I feel comfortable enough to do an analysis of my local area and start a study/organizing group with like minded comrades.

I’m over just joining random big name orgs and learned all I can from them. And there is no principled socialist org or even orgs with ties to any proletariat struggles where I’m at

>>2351337
>How couldn’t yall see this?
Everybody saw this

>>2351337
>co-opted and curtailed by PSL into peaceful protests
What, the PSL is defusing revolutionary energy now? How does what they're doing differ from what a legitimate. org would do vis a vis the ICE abolition protests?

>>2351911
See, I had a correspondence during the campus encampments in 2024 with someone who was at Columbia University, and they told me that the PSL had nothing to do with organizing the encampment itself, but showed up after the fact, and being that they showed up with a bunch of their party members, had controlled the narrative therein, because everyone else who was trying to push things out via social media had their algorithms banned. They were shadow-banned, right? And so, you had all these people who were shadow-banned trying to get the word out of their channels, because they're college students who actually organized the thing, and they didn't really have the infrastructure to actually push anything out. And then you have the PSL, who has a bazillion fucking accounts on social media. Their social media is fucked, right? They're everywhere. They own the fucking loose-ass shit, right? They take the exact opposite approach to me. They believe that if you control social media, blah, blah, blah, fuck you. The point is, because they have the largest microphone, then they can control the narrative, and then they can paint the picture of what the encampment's protest goals are, who's in charge of it, who arranged it. They have narrative control, and then the people that the media are now going to, whether it's PSL, Answer, or whatever other fucking org that they just made up the name for to make it look like they have more people than they do. This is what the PSL does. I had somebody add me on Discord and be like, bro, why don't you like the PSL? And it was very much like, you shouldn't speak ill about the PSL in a public setting. It's not a good idea if you do that. And I'm like, bro, what the fuck do you guys think you're doing? Come get checked. That's all I can say about that.

>>2351911
>What, the PSL is defusing revolutionary energy now? How does what they're doing differ from what a legitimate. org would do vis a vis the ICE abolition protests?
these "proletarian" parties joined with the capitalist riots, decimating their parties and sacrificing proletarians for the capitalist effort. If I were a capitalist, I would love if the "socialists" rioted to protect my businesses.

And? They will try to co-opt until it reaches critical mass

>>2351911
Uh, yeah. BLM, Palestine Encampments, Anti-ICE demonstrations, any little militant energy gets co-opted by DSA, PSL, FRSO, now ACP too into useless demonstrations that throw parades and march around pre-designated areas, protest City Halls on weekends when the buildings are empty, or hold “solidarity vigils” so they can post on social media and act like they’re doing something.

This isn’t new, any little good they do within their tiny communities doesn’t change these orgs only exist to funnel communists into thinking the only style of action in protesting exactly like we’re in the 1960s, all while having the aura of “doing something”. Just screaming into a microphone about opposing imperialism and “hands off Iran” is fucking useless. As shown with literally every imperialist intervention since Iraq.

If you can’t see it, I’m sorry comrade. That’s the purpose they serve and why they’re so quick to latch onto anything and then denounce any marginal action that steps outside of the status quo they seek to exist in (Elias Rodriguez).

They can only post memes and give platitudes to people like Luigi, they like him in practice but will denounce and seperate themselves the moment anything close to that and linked to them in brought to attention. This isn’t some new take man l

>>2352411
The fact “communist” orgs are even allowed to exist in the 21st century is proof they’re toothless and don’t actually seek to guide the proletariat towards any form of action. No that doesn’t mean we expect the amerikkkan populace writ large to come ready to bear arms and attack the state head on

But if you clearly see that some sections of the proletariat (specifically the most oppressed, like black proletariat burning down the police station during the early blm riots, anti-ICE proletariat burning police cars and going head on with ICE) are ready for more,that isn’t just walking around a city block with your pre-approved sections by the local police. Then you have failed in your goal as a party, and no amount of them misconstruing Lenin and throwing around “adventurism” or labeling people anarchists and Feds will change their role.


All useless NGOs that seek to sell merch and stifle genuine energy.


Much rather just work within local orgs