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TIL Lenin used to term his beliefs as 'revolutionary social democracy'. I was reading 'Hands off Rosa Luxemburg!'; the various opinions people have on Trotsky or Luxemburg aside, I was surprised to find that Lenin apparently spoke of his own beliefs this way given what social democracy is nowadays.

>“… from the beginning we declared (see One Step Forward, Two Steps Back): We are not creating a special ‘Bolshevik’ tendency; always and everywhere we merely uphold the point of view of revolutionary Social Democracy. And right up to the social revolution there will inevitably always be an opportunist wing and a revolutionary wing of Social Democracy”


Apparently it's just another one of those things that got co-opted over time and he switched explicitly to terming it communism after 1917 or so. I wonder what his motives were for calling it social democracy? I know it does not exactly matter what labels we stick on what, but I find looking at the history of terminology revealing

>>2354891
social democracy used to mean Marxism.
As "social democratic" parties moderated and degenerated throughout the 20th century the term degenerated as well. The present day SPD (Germany) has its roots in Marx's organization but today it's merely a center left business party.

before Marx, anarchism, socialism, communism, social democracy etc was a big tent thing which meant more or less the same thing
The first split happens in the first international → COMMUNISM vs ANARCHISM
Here, social democracy, socialism and communism mean more or less the same thing. Anarchism becomes its own separate thing, with Bakunin as its pope. The second international is born, with the Communists/socialists/social democrats, who uphold Marxism versus anarkiddies.
The Second International then splits into Communists vs Social Democrats, the communists uphold Marxism via Lenin, in contrast to Kautskyites.
The Social Democratic Party of Germany for example held Marx as their teacher back then. Only after the 2nd international split, that they renounced Marx.

Wait until you find out what party the Bolsheviks were in

>>2354891
>The object of the practical activities of the Social-Democrats is, as is well known, to lead the class struggle of the proletariat and to organise that struggle in both its manifestations: socialist (the fight against the capitalist class aimed at destroying the class system and organising socialist society), and democratic (the fight against absolutism aimed at winning political liberty in Russia and democratising the political and social system of Russia)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1897/dec/31b.htm

>>2354916
>Social Democracy split from Communism
ahistorical and nonsensical. communists split from the SDs. communist parties came after SD parties.

>>2354891
OP, Social Democracy split from Communism after the social democratic parties of Europe revealed themselves to be national chauvinists in WW1 and only Lenin and the Bolsheviks held a revolutionary defeatist line, revolutionary defeatism being to vigorously fight for the defeat of your own government in the context of an imperialist war, and to turn the imperialist war into a civil war and revolution.

>>2354919
when I said split from I did not mean to imply a temporal lineage but that it was the social democrats who deviated from Marxism

>>2354924
you are a menshevik

>>2354927
debate addict

>>2354910
Class struggle + fight/battle for democracy

>>2354891
we should rebrand ourselves as "classical social democrats"

>>2355489
Real democrats ala Richard Wolfe
We just want real democracy in government as well as in the workplace

Why are the succdems so antsy and forceful with the revisionism today.

>>2355505
correct them if you are capable of doing so. instead of just saying they are wrong, say why they are wrong, and say what is correct as well.

>>2355513
Bourgois!

Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and more were members of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party.
I know everyone learns that for the first time once, but it's not news.


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