Read Settlers/Land Back discourse will ultimately lead to Zionism if taken to its logical extreme. Zionists justify their occupation of Palestine by saying they are the indigenous people of "Judea". I know this is meme history, but if you go back far enough, everyone is a settler. There's a difference between being indigenous and having indigenity. The latter is based on one's continuous connection to the land over a course of centuries, whereas the former is just where a group of people are originally from. When the USSR fell apart, Russia went through a period of "competing sovereignties" where a bunch of the ethnic republics tried to declare independence under the banner of indigenous self-determination, which undermined and weakened Russian sovereignty and its place on the global stage as a whole. Kurds are attempting to create a second Israel under the same premise. There are even scenarios I support in theory, like Armenia reclaiming its lost territory, but in practicality would lead to more conflict and strife.
>>2358598What are you describing is less Sakai's fault (even Settlers isn't
that misleading) and more the product of a subspecies of american radlib
>>2358611I heard at least 6 different "what we actually mean by landback" definitions from people claiming to be
for and
in the movement. God only knows.
>>2358598Holy shit a Palestinian flagposter DROPPING A TRVTH NVKE??? YOU'RE TRVTHNVKING
YOU DID IT
YOU FINALLY DID IT
YOU DROPPED THE TRVTHNVKE
>>2358618Imo whatever those definitions were given to you were all "true." There isn't any singular definition because there really isn't any coherent theory behind it, so it encompasses everything from the general idea that the US government should honor its original treaties to "send everyone back where they came from" schizo shit.
Personally though I think the most influential current right now is a very booj friendly movement to have publicly owned lands "returned" to native tribes for their "stewardship." There have been several initiatives lately that have done just that and I'm betting the long term end is that eventually billionaires are going to buy the land from them outright or else deal to develope it.
In keeping with the thread though, I have seen landback types on tumblr get big mad for "abusing the language of landback" by saying the settlers are indigenous or that it's a landback project outright, which is pretty funny to me.
>>2358598israelis are a bunch of polish racists so nope.
furthermore:
>when they hit the west up for cash and support they were doing colonialism>when they hit the ussr up for cash and support they were doing socialism>now they're hitting the left and liberals up for support so they're doing landbackwhat they're doing is lying and stealing.
>>2358598Nope. the Canaanites are ethnically the same as the Palestinians and the Jews.
Zionism has a false history. It violently insists on this narrative exactly because it is untrue.
>>2359479Stalin supported the Jewish right to self determination (Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia and also having the Soviet diplomats vote in the UN for the establishment of Israel). Denying Jews the right to self determination is revisionism, reactionary, anti-Marxist, and anti-Semitic.
>but this document written way before Stalin took powerI care more about what people
dothan what they
say.
The first rule of politics is that you always look at the politician's actions rather than their rhetoric. Stalin demonstrated through his actions that he supported Jewish right to self determination despite what he wrote years before.
This is the problem with ultras and mautists. They always look at what people
say rather than examining what they
do.
Hence why Cultural Revolution is "good" because of ultra left rhetoric from the leaders, never-mind the rest of the actually sane party members like Zhou Enlai desperately moving scientists and intelligentsia to secure locations to avoid their smartest citizens getting shot by retarded students who didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
>>2358598>Read Settlers/Land Back discourse will ultimately lead to Zionism if taken to its logical extreme.The "Read Settlers" types from what I've seen have more in common with Baltic and Ukrainian nationalists than Zionists. At the very least, if they were consistent, they would support their fellow ethno-nationalists.
>>2359360Hello, Richard Spencer. I'm sure that wouldn't be a complete utter reactionary nightmare.
>>2359421TBH, they'd probably kill you. Ethno-nationalists are incapable of handling nuance.
>>2359489The creation of Israel wasn't "Jewish self-determination" but forcing Palestinians to pay the price for the crimes of the Nazis. A price that should have been paid by Germany.
>>2359533>Lenin abolished those colonial relationships though, it’s literally the first thing his admin did during the civil warYes and he didn't do so by mass deportations or creating homogenous ethno-states.
>>2359360Your position is too extreme because you support Mass Deportations of workers and oppressed nations in order to restore the demographics of the Pre-Colonial world (even though Settler-Colonialism should have never happened, we do not have a Time Machine to undo all of the permanent demographic changes that have happened throughout the world since 1492, and advocating for Mass Deportations in order to restore Pre-Colonial demographics is a Reactionary position), but you are right that every Nation/Ethnic group needs their own Country in order to achieve Global Communism as this is in line with the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , as shown in my World Map of all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR (I plan on posting an improved version of this Map in the near future, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last couple months) which will be created after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and PRC escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2360270Still have the jewish ethnostate in your map of the future global USSR huh King Lear?
Why haven't you updated your map and removed that zionist propaganda from it?
>if taken to its logical extremegamerchair socialists, go outside and speak to your undocumented slaves before they all get sent to death camps. There's still time! Hurry!
>>2359489>Stalin supported the Jewish right to self determination>They always look at what people say rather than examining what they do. What Stalin did: cynically exploited Jews as if they were chess pieces on the geopolitical board, utilizing their nascent Zionist project to weaken the British empire
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