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georg lukács complaining in 1968 about leftist students misunderstanding fanon and fetishizing anticolonial movements instead of being useful. from "conversations with lukács".

>>2360836
?? okay?
>>>/siberia/, i guess.

>>2360836
Whatever. All I got from reading fanon was to get a gun, develop actual hatred for people that abuse others, and exercise more often.

lucucks was a pussy humanist lame-o

>>2360838
>please don't critique our little ineffectual circlejerk, put it on the sideways, I still want to cum
/siberia/ objectively has a higher autism score than this board, so be careful of what you wish for, we will bury you

>>2360836
so what?

>muh late capitalism
>muh democracy
Lib critique to a lib movement.

>>2360905
The usual smug abnegation in between two posts praising capitalist Russia as the summit of anti-imperialism and theocratic Iran as the apotheosis of anti-fascism. These liberals surely have nothing to do with /leftypol/, we are so superior to them, we have nothing to learn from Lukács, keep supporting foreign states with words, the proletarian revolution will come soon after a few other rounds of posts!
>inb4 hurr durr ur pro NATO
>inb4 get banned for criticizing non-Western capitalist states

>>2360923
obssesed

>>2360928
You ruined this board so of course I'm obssesed.
Reread the Lukács quote and think about the state of this board for more than ten seconds. Do you think all of us who were in favor of the oil workers' struggles in Iran in 2018 are pro-Israel? Your ilk banned us for supporting a worker strike with words on the internet. Yeah, I'm obsessed, for good reasons.

>>2360933
did you also support the hong kong protests? go back

>>2360923
>to a lib movement
Illiterate retard.

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We may have gone too far in a few places.

>>2360938
>a genuine movement of proletarian struggle is the same thing as a liberal movement of petty bourgeois university students
are you mentally retarded from jerking it to rape porn all day?

>>2360959
>its a genuine movement of proletarian struggle because i said so
no, but i'd be having a more productive day if i jerked it, so be it.

>>2360964
it was a genuine movement of proletarian resistance, not because i said it was but because it factually was, it was led by proletarians for the direct gains of themselves and they were brutally repressed for this, the hong kong protesters were a bunch of coddled liberals, pretty huge fucking difference there

fanon is overrated

>>2360933
>all of us who were in favor of the oil workers' struggles in Iran in 2018 are pro-Israel?
what like 5 guys? who even cares about you retards? also you do realize glorifying hopeless strikes on nations considered enemies of the us is just as retarded as glorifying hopeless students protests such as the french 68?

stating that revolution in the middle east is pretty much impossible without the destruction of the zionist entity is not campist propaganda but and historical fact

>>2360986
You're right that glorifying any event that's well in the past is stupid but comparing student movements to actual proletarian actions like strikes is just lmao.

>>2361050
why? because is not done by the mythical heroical proletarians? workerism is no diferent from the third worldism of the french students is all a cope out to not have to face the reality and put the burden of revolutionary action on abstract forces without historical reality

>>2361086
>workerism is when you properly identify the proletariat
>the immiserated propertyless wage workers are an "abstract force"
do you just say things that sound smart to 12 year olds without actually thinking them through

>>2360938
Nice strawman, but no, I was neutral about this civic shit going on far away from home because they were also protests happening in my country at the time, and who fucking cares anyway? 你是中国吗? Go back to Pattaya.

>>2360986
Old BO back then banned people who expressed support (words, all you blabber about is just a bunch of words) for a worker movement rather than the theocracy. It was 7 years ago, nothing changed, everything got worse. That's all I have to say. Once we are done agreeing that Israel is fucking unhinged, you are confused idiots ready to sell your ass to the trendiest kind of alt-nationalism of the day. Then you make grand discourses about what Marxism means and 4D geopolitics while pretending you're smart, it's ridiculous.

>>2361174
you have zero self awarness.

>>2361235
You call yourself "rapefiend" as a namefagging identity, and I'm the one who lack self-awareness? Please do explain yourself камрад, and don't forget that /siberia/ is much more comfier than this forsaken place.

>>2361264
the difference between us is that im aware what im doing and saying is stupid, and i make no attempt at hiding it.

>>2361273
Wow you are such le smart, coward newfag, as if I didn't know I was stupid after all these years. Now go back to your threads about big titted latinas or god knows what, they await you on /siberia/.

>>2361282
thank you, i love latinas

>>2361302
>a nation under siege by imperialism
when you understand how capitalism competition between bourgeois nation-states work

>says westerners need to struggle for revolution too
>everyone is like "so??? who is this guy what's his twitch? Is he hot?"
We are cooked

>>2361332
both lukacs and mtws suck but for different reasons

>>2361094
The people and nations of the world dont exist in a vacuum, proletarians in some sort of essential or ethereal way. The workers of iran are not *just* "workers" in iran. They are integrated into the global imperialist system. Their class position as people in this capitalist global system is determined as such. It is not influenced, in real terms, by how good or bad or authoritarian or libertarian or "capitalist" or "anti-capitalist" their state is. But by its relative position to the monopolistic forces of western capitalism, western imperialism as the absolute hegemon of current political power as it expresses itself in the real world

>>2361394
>But by its relative position to the monopolistic forces of western capitalism
i hate third worldists so much. correctly saying capital is global to then come to these dumb conclusions

I have question for you "Iran working class sympathizer poster" (sorry couldn't come up with a better name).

If someone did want support the Iranian communist movement in a materially meaningful if very modest way (ie. not just rhetoric), and they did not live in Iran, what should they do?

Give a donation to the Tudeh party? Help an Iranian member try to get Visa to work abroad and raise money for the party?

Is there something else maybe?

>>2361482
What's dumb about it retard? Is western capitalism in the form of American/NATO imperialism not the largest monopolistic force in the global capitalist system? Far outclassing all other political projects in terms of reach, control, resource extraction, financial control and military dominance? Is the world reserve currency not the dollar? Is the worldbank and the IMF not based and operated at the behest of the interests of this western capitalist monopoly? Yeah? There's some other grand force that we have all just overlooked?

How about instead of seething about your misunderstanding of "muh thirdworldism" you actually engage with and analyze the actual structure of global capitalism. Or at the very least actually critique the point Im making instead of your pathetic posturing about it being a "dumb conclusion".

What other fucking conclusion is there to draw? That westerners and people in the third world have the exact same class position "as proles" regardless of the actual real material differences in the very reproduction of their society and their being in the global class system as a whole? Fucking dumbass

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>>2360938
>go back
NTA, But given your name, the only one who ought to "go back" is you.

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>>2360933
>Your ilk banned us for supporting
>>2361174
>Old BO
>7 years ago
You are on an English speaking board with users primarily from NATO countries and complaining that people tell you to shut up about the enemies of America and organize IRL instead of posting "support"? ? It sounds like they are closer to Lukas position than you are

>>2362046
>muh america's enemies
>muh lesser evil

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Ohh aaah I'm supporting the enemies of the enemies of imperialism.
Suppooooort NATO
>>2360933
You're mad. Good, stay mad.

>>2360933
Are you retarded? The Lukacs quote is about how useless supporting foreign movements with nothing but words is lol. Why does that magically cease to be the case when you're supporting Iranian oil workers?

>>2360923
>we have nothing to learn from Lukács
<soy ✅
<PMC ✅
<indoor kid gamerchair pseud ✅
Facts don't care about your feelings, Contrapoints fans.

>>2360923
>inb4 hurr durr ur pro NATO
Notice how these liberals never deny what they are, they just mock and gaslight actual working class.
>banned for criticizing non-Western capitalist states
<"Critique: a method of disciplined, systematic study"
At no point have you done any historical materialism, you didn't talk about the (ongoing) finance imperialist holocaust that is depopulating Russians and lowering their life expectancy. You purposefully ignored how the Zion-Nazi program has enslaved Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and now Iran.

>>2360933
>Reread the Lukács quote and think about the state of this board
Lukacs radlibs are never gonna lose their reputation!


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