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I wanted to discuss do you fellow communist believe that P*rn acceptable in a communist or do you think it’s degenerate do you think that? P*rn compatible with communism or do you think it’s only compatible in a capitalistic state

only lesbian porn is acceptable and only when they wear high heels.

Degeneracy is stupid shit reactionaries believe in. That said, it’s more compatible with capitalism but impossible to gauge its staying power in a post commodity world. I would guess there would still be voyeurism of some sort.

we're trying to abolish capitalist relations not perpetuate them. saying pro porn will exist under socialism is no different than libtards saying there will be a people's wall street and people's wal mart. if you mean some amateur sex tape made by people in their free time, i don't personally care.

>>2361932
Also, porn as a commodity is influenced by the commodification of sex. I think it’s more compatible with capitalism because of this.

>>2361927
Porn will be replaced in communism by futuristic orgiastic love rooms.

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>porn
The current state of the porn industry is exploitative. That's not inherent to making sexually-stimulating works, but a phenomenon common to most artforms under capitalism, like how game developers are exploited, like how animation sweatshops are, and how many content businesses try to form addiction in consumers. The difference being, acting work (especially but not only porn acting) introduces unique forms of exploitation, like rape.

So there's no inherent reason why porn as a concept shouldn't be allowed in a communist society or a socialist regime, but it certainly would not be produced the same way. And that's not by some benevolent decree or suppression, but because the relation of artists to the economy is transformed and such exploitation is no longer economically incentivized.

>muh degeneracy
Not a real thing.

I'm still gonna draw porn after the revolution you can't stop me

>>2361927
Only free amateur porn will exist (basically people who get their kink from others viewing them naked or doing sexual stuff.

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>>2361927
I've said this once and I'll say it again: you have to think of porn like weed.

On one hand, you probably have your nice couple or content creator who makes their product and operates solo- their product, though hard hitting in some places, is at least done within their own consent, on their own terms and is distributed and made for people of adult age to consume and enjoy.

But on the other, you have those who have laced the product with more egregious products, and the networks they may distribute this product to have ties to human trafficking- not to mention there are certain types of the product that are not made consensually, and at times involve minors.

Ultimately, the former is immensely preferable to the latter- but the porn industry, or sex work via wage labour as we know it, will not exist under communism. Point to me how sex work would exist in a society which no longer has a wage labour system?

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nudity has existed throughout all artistic epochs, but was never given over the category of pornography. pormography is inherently commercial and exploitative, so has no place in a decent society, the same way socialist countries prohibited prostitution.

>another what do we think about pornography thread

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You WILL show up at the people's army's mandatory penis inspection day, revisionist

Pornography is mostly based

>>2362212
based on what?

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>>2362220
Collectively held naked photos of your mother comrade

Ban "degenerate" stuff like porn and cannabis, and a black market will arise to satisfy the needs of people.
On top of that, instead of that stuff being something normal, people will now feel the thrill of breaking the law everytime they will engage in such activity.
In the meantime, black marketeers will accumulate money/resources and power, and they will use it to corrupt whoever they can: cops, government officials, etc.
I wish "degenerate" was still wordfiltered to "fun" btw.
>inb4 by that logic we should legalize CP
No. There is a huge difference between fapping to porn made by adults who both consented doing so (even though there is definitely a problem about consent in a lot of porn) and trafficking children to do heinous stuff to them on video, just like there is a difference between smoking a joint to become a couch potato and being a fucking crackhead who steal his friends and get aggressive to randos for no reason.

>>2362311
you fucking idiot socialism is not capitalism, black markets don't arise under a society where commodity production doesn't exist

also the modern need for pornography is a consequence of the real conditions now in existence

tldr: socialism will be anti gooning and pro no fap

>>2363795
no it won't, you're genuinely just a moralist

>>2362311
Why would it need a black market for porn if some people just like doing porn and uploading it for free already? And being digital there will be no scarcity of it as with weed

>>2363800
true pornography only exploits women, it doesn't exploit anyone else at all actually, it is not at all surprising you're making radfem arguments against porn you tard

I swear this is like the 100th goon talk session

the total goon collapse is real

see therapist please

How is this ever a debate?
Of course with communism the exploitation of women must be ended, including the sexual exploitation of female / LGBT proletarians as a means of survival.
That doesn't mean those doing sex work get gulaged or anything. It means prosecution of those at the head of the exploitation and shutting down their operations.
Also if you want to privately do shit with/for your partner that's fine since it's not exploitation by being forced to sell your flesh in wage slavery.
You have to be extremely misogynistic, porn addicted, and so on to put your gooning rights above female rights. Do men truly not realise this?

Least retarded thread on this site

>>2361927
>degenerate
the concept of degeneracy is zionist/natsoc propaganda.

i love porn, i live for porn, porn has always existed, and will always exist.

>>2361927
why the fuck do we still talk about this theres a reason why even secular nations like the soviet union banned porn
>>2363944
the goonicide is nigh, count your days namefag

>>2363952
>>2363952
>theres a reason
now what would that be?
>the goonicide is nigh
keep dreaming, moralist.

i dont car.

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>moralfaggotry+incelism thread
thought this shit was banned

>>2362311
>black market
>BLACK market
As in le blacks will be overrepresented there?

Porn is fine. Being a sex k*lak is not

Isn't porn by definition a commodity? I don't see people calling sex tapes, "porn." The root of the word "pornography" is "pornographos" which a quick search shows it means “writing about people who engage in sex acts for pay” so it's in the same realm as prostitution, which would not have the conditions to exist because there is no exchange.

Sure, someone could go give out tapes of themselves having sex if they're into that, which is how amateur porn mostly worked before onlyfans, but once you remove the materialistic foundations of it, it will dry up heavily. The sex work discourse is petit-bourgeois distraction, which is why I believe anarchists are so obsessed about it. It's not that it is "morally" wrong, it's just it's not compatible with communism.

>>2363795
>black markets don't arise when commodity production is over.
First of all, Stalin admitted commodity production still existed in the USSR. And you don't need money to trade, in prison, they use food or cigarettes as a currency, reread chapter 2 of Capital.
A black market for porn will arise if you do a blanket ban, just like a black market existed for Rolling Stones records in Soviet countries as it was deemed to be "bourgeois degenerate music" until they got Аукцыон.

>>2363799
I completely agree with you. Most nudes on /s/ are amateur stuff, women like to feel desired and will take pictures of themselves naked. Couples will want to videotape their sexual acts for the thrill of it. All this stuff get eventually shared on the internet.
Maybe we don't need the L.A./Miami porn industry to goon, but wanting to do a blanket ban on sexy footage is a fool's errand, focus on something more important ffs.

Communists, socialists, leftists, etc… do not deem things "degenerate." That is a purely liberal invention.
>b-but stali-
Stalin was a liberal that cared more about appeasing reactionaries that should've been in ditches than ensuring the success of the USSR.

>>2372122
>because i said so
Communist do consider things degenerate. I saw the ICP use the word "degenerate". Checkmate

>>2372122
This is utterly wrong. The degenerate aspects of bourgeois society are called such by Communists in Party resolutions and theory

>>2372156
Which aspects are degenerate? No, im not typing "degenerate" in their sites search bar

>>2361927
After the revolution porn watching will become mandatory to prevent people from becoming sex-negative reactionaries

>>2363795
>black markets don't arise under a society where commodity production doesn't exist

Easily the dumbest post ITT.
Genuinely "I've never left my house" type posting.

>>2361927
This completely ignores the most common kind of sexual exploitation under capitalism which is marriage between a husband and a wife. Why focus on one kind of sex work and not the other? It is simply petty-bourgeois Proudhonism to glorify the small business of the patriarch who owns the private household over industrial sex work. Both bourgeois and petty-bourgeois sex industries are exploitive but only one gets wanked over so much.

>>2422558
Anyhow the correct answer is we must smash the family by building a ton of medium density commieblocks and removing the ability of homeowners to exploit the labor of the rest of the family inside the household.


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