>>2364526medicaid is a capitalist scam. you are the magical thinker.
>>2364510wrong. Communist China has universal healthcare.
>>2364531>>2364539medicaid cuts are actually good. The misery of the lumpenproletariat (the only people who qualify for medicaid) stands in inverse proportion to its torment of the proletariat. read marx
>>2364551>wouldn't you mean proportional not inversely?No. Read the marx quote.
>The relative mass of the industrial reserve army increases therefore with the potential energy of wealth. But the greater this reserve army in proportion to the active labour army, the greater is the mass of a consolidated surplus population, whose misery is in inverse ratio to its torment of labour. The more extensive, finally, the lazarus layers of the working class, and the industrial reserve army, the greater is official pauperism. This is the absolute general law of capitalist accumulation.The lumpen-proletarian's well being, like the bourgeoisie's, stands in inverse proportion to the proletarians. When the lumpenproletariat is established, sustained, and enlarged with subsidies, the proletarian is poorer.
>>2364557The capitalist derives its power from the existence and magnification of lumpenproletariat. The mass of the lumpenproletariat is the primary lever upon which the living standard of the proletarian fluctuates.
>The industrial reserve army, during the periods of stagnation and average prosperity, weighs down the active labour-army; during the periods of over-production and paroxysm, it holds its pretensions in check. Relative surplus-population is therefore the pivot upon which the law of demand and supply of labour works. It confines the field of action of this law within the limits absolutely convenient to the activity of exploitation and to the domination of capital. >>2364527>>2364535Travel to China and Mexico will be highly restricted. Canada will just recommend MAID if they give anything to Americans at all.
>>2364547Many on Medicaid will just end up paying the more expensive private insurance.
Lumpen will not pay the ER at all and eventually cost the healthcare system even more because they now have previously preventable diseases.
Anyone who gets too sick to work the 80hrs a month will then have no insurance to cover that sickness. Businesses will use that as a cudgel to threaten part time workers and to cut their hours just below 80 hrs if they step out of line.
>>2364615Huh? How does that work. The lumpens become more miserable so they provoke the proletarians less??
>The lumpen-proletarian's well being, like the bourgeoisie's, stands in inverse proportion to the proletariansUhhh I'm not sure that's true on an empirical basis usually the proletarian and lumpen quality of life both fall over time and the bourgeoisie's rises. A high reserve army of labour would actually just cause more problems for the proletariat, I don't think they control enough wealth to really cause problems for the proletariat in terms of standards of living.
>>2364618>80 hoursin ameriKKKa, the proletarian gets access to healthcare coverage with 30 or more hours a week. half of monthly payment is paid by employer and half by the proletarian. This only applies to businesses that hire 50+ full time workers.
Therefore the bourgeoisie has interest in lumpenizing and restricting hours per worker and having as many on medicaid as possible. Medicaid qualification stipulates sub-subsistence income. Medicaid is the cudgel that smashes proletarian livelihood.
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R42640/R42640.13.pdf56% of medicaid funding goes to medicaid advantage, which is capitalist insurance companies. Medicaid is utterly a capitalist scam/
>>2364688>I don’t want liberals on our side actuallyI noticed this trend more and more on here people in the imperial core will say "hey, I hate this system. I want it to die. I hate what we do to the rest of the world. I don't want to be collectively responsible with my ruling class. I want to pick the side of the international working class over the exploiters" and certain others will say "no I don't want you on my side. I want you to die. I want you to be seen as collectively responsible for what your ruling class did. I don't want you to have a chance pick the right side."
>>2364719Except lumpens and proles often come from the same family or community so a lack of welfare or relief for the "lumpens" (really you're referring to the disabled, the old, etc.) suddenly means that they turn to their "trve prole" family for help. But you are a glownonymous. a tor poster.
>>2364670>the proletarian gets access to healthcare coverage with 30 or more hours a week. half of monthly payment is paid by employer and half by the proletarian. This only applies to businesses that hire 50+ full time workers.Right, so why would they hire part timers at 30hrs a week at all? That only make it more expensive which is why they don't.
>restricting hours per worker and having as many on medicaid as possible. lol what? Best thing for the Bourgeoisie is to get rid of all medicaid and force all costs on the worker. Private insurance that can be raised at any point and all medical treatments denied is their ideal.
>Medicaid qualification stipulates sub-subsistence income. Exactly, it is an insurance of last resort. But now with work requirement the last resort no longer exists. Anyone unemployed will no longer have the hours to get the backup insurance. If they have no saving then they have no private insurance either. If the private insurance was tied to the job they just lost they they have nothing. So if they get sick they will have to take on all ER medical debt and will be unable to pay for real treatment. Because no money form being unemployed and they have no hours to get Medicaid.
>56% of medicaid funding goes to medicaid advantagethe fuck are you talking about? Pretty sure you are confusing Medicare with Medicaid. Where on you paper does it say that?
>>2364751Only thing this does is make the American bourgeoisie even more powerful and rich. This policy just kills the poorest ones at a higher rate. It doesn't do anything to increase domestic revolution or increase third world ability to revolt either. It only gets rid of the "dead weight" of capitalism.
Fundamentally you are just like this Nazi who is celebrating the killing of old people
>>2364760"Third-worldists" are Nazis in all but name.
>>2364814>medicaid isnt for old people, dumbass. its for lumpens. thats medicare.lol I wasn't the one who got that confused. You were the one celebrating an old persons death because you didn't understand the difference. You were also the guy who thought "Medicaid Advantage" was a thing, fucking retard.
Third-worldist nazis get the wall
>>23646571. that poster is using "lumpenproletariat" as a dogwhistle for "black people"
>>23646662. shut the fuck up
>>2364824YOU ARE THE SOCIAL DEMOCRAT. YOUR MEDICAID IS SOCIAL DEMOCRAT. YOUR RACIST ISLAMOPHOBIC CHAUVINISM IS SOCIAL DEMOCRAT.
>>2364826>You were the one celebrating an old persons death because you didn't understand the difference.You are wrong, dumbass. The median social security payment voids enrollment in medicaid. Elderly who qualify for medicaid didn't work enough to surpass the lumpen threshold of qualification of medicaid BECAUSE they were lumpen fucks who tormented proletarians their entire lives.
>medicaid advantage "isn't a thing"what do you even mean by this? You ARE confused. Google medicaid advantage
>>2364832You are the racist z-word user. Lumpenproletariat means reserve army of labor which means every single non-fully-employed parasite who's existence torments proletarians.
>>2364837you can deny marx and slander me all you want. the reserve army of labor must be diminished. medicaid is devised to reduce proletarian living standards, but you argue for more medicaid funding. therefore you explicitly argue for a poorer and more tormented proletariat, a larger and less miserly lumpenproletariat, and a more powerful bourgeoisie.
>>2364856Communism offering no benefits to anyone and making your life worse because you'll lose "treats" (to which the people promoting "treatler" discourse can't even
define) is because it's basically just an alt-religion for third worldists. I keep saying this because it needs to be reinforced. It's not the "real movement to abolish the present state of things" it's just some moral ideal to them. Morals defined as "making westerners lives' worse". So on one hand you've got the actual Karl Marx complaining that the bourgeoisie would decry any good for the workers as a "luxury" distracting from work and you've got modern Marxists basically reinforcing that old Bourgeois standard, but claiming its revolutionary.
The situation wont improve until third worldists are forcefully purged.
>>2364844"Lumpenproletariat" is, was and always will be referring to organized crime. People who own no means of production, yet still engage in exploitation of others.
You have the choice of admitting you're either a dogwhistling racist, that you have no understanding of Marx, or you're a disgusting revisionist.
>>2364844>You ARE confused. Google medicaid advantageNarcissistic levels of obstinate stupidity here. "Medicaid advantage" does not exist.
Stop embarrassing yourself and commit Seppuku.
>>2364856Joyce never once said the word treatler
take your meds schizo
>>2364869>So on one hand you've got the actual Karl Marx complaining that the bourgeoisie would decry any good for the workers as a "luxury" distracting from work and you've got modern Marxists basically reinforcing that old Bourgeois standard, but claiming its revolutionary.You have to remember that these "Marxists" are far more likely to have read Sakai than Marx. I can't wait for when they realize that China isn't going to invade America and put them in power to enact their revenge fantasies that have more in common with QAnon's "Storm" or Year Zero than the Russian or Chinese revolutions.
>>2364909>The treatler thing was funny for a day and then people started using it seriously.The ironic thing is that Matt Christman used to host a prominent Left-wing podcast and probably made far more in a day than most people here make in a year.
>>2365224Through the lens of Nick Land
Fascism got invented After Marx (Anno Marx)
Land says speed things good, kill death blood NOW
>>2364469Legit what now
Yeah I know defeatism is gay but this kinda all sounds like "we won and will now rape you forever"
>>2364887>Hating America and boomers is reactionary now You want to return to the previous status quo before workers fought (and died) to gain these Medicare benefits. The definition of a political "reactionary"
>>2364751>Communism is impossible because it would mean the permanent loss of treats there are
BILLIONS of dollars shoveled to the bourgeoisie while workers only get
CRUMBS. Communists could build more hospitals to train more professionals, more factories for cheaper medical equipment, more bioreactors to produce insulin etc
>>2364869>you'll lose "treats" (to which the people promoting "treatler" discourse can't even define)(tweet sent from my African child slave iPhone)
<Experts say US companies hope to gain access to minerals like tantalum, gold, cobalt, copper and lithium that they desperately need to meet the demand for technology and beat China in the race for Africa’s natural resources. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/turning-point-or-pointless-turn-will-dr-congo-rwanda-deal-bring-peace >>2365395Again: you couldn't provide a definition for treat; you just threw out an anecdote. Because you're a weird religious zealot and not a Marxist.
>>2365154>You have to remember that these "Marxists" are far more likely to have read Sakai than Marx. I can't wait for when they realize that China isn't going to invade America and put them in power to enact their revenge fantasies that have more in common with QAnon's "Storm" or Year Zero than the Russian or Chinese revolutions.To be frank I'm not even sure if they read Sakai. I think they just use memes, and I mean that in the Dawkins sense of the term. I was actually thinking of making a flow-chart of how arguing with third worldists work because it follows the same general patterns over and over again, which I suspect is a product less of
thinking and more of just imitating.
>Begin all arguments with an outrageous claim that's written in such a way as to agitate people.>Exclaim that any angry reaction you get is because of the truth of your ideas.>Avoid discussing theory, simply insinuate some nefarious scheme on the part of the person arguing with you>Always claim victory>Never define termsWhat gets me is that Third Worldism especially is unfalsifiable. It's an article of faith. And while Karl Popper (one of the guys credited with creating the term "unfalsifiable") was an anti-Communist, if you at least read Marx's works you can understand there's a
rationale behind it. He uses reason, he defines terms, he puts forward arguments. Third Worldists don't use reason, they don't have theory, they keep to "treats" like some bizarre mirror of boomers huffing that if kids just stopped eating avocado toast they'd have a home by now. And if you demand they give you a definition they just throw out anecdotes: "Oh, you've got video games, you've got movies, you've got board games." Again, it's a perverse mirror of some boomer logic: completely distract from actual rational arguments for change to exclaim that you need to be ashamed of having a shirt on your back. "Oh there's kids in Africa with no shoes at all!"
It's never,
ever, used to get one to think beyond themself, and I believe thinking beyond one's immediate self is important in any meaningful ideology. Instead it's used to get you to focus intensely on yourself as an atomized individual. "YOU need to be ashamed, YOU have it too good."
Political projects that get anywhere open the mind to possibilities beyond your immediate surroundings, third worldists want you chained to where you are.
>>2365420A treat's a noun. You're describing an adjective applied to a person.
Secondly by such a definition then first world workers aren't "treats" because they produce value. But since turd worldists aren't Marxists I'm guessing you imagine "IF YOU AIN'T MAKIN' STUFF IN THE STEEL FACTORY YOU AIN'T PRODUCIN' VALUE!"
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